Would you mind sharing what you've learned or at least a link or 2 about the stuff that has you scared of subs? I've had a similar belief I guess, that subs would be an easy way to taper from a ~4 pod/day habit. Doubt I could get them even if I wanted but still interested to learn more about them from real experiences - especially of people with a similar habit. I know methadone I would never consider going on because of hearing how impossible it is to get off and that it really should only be used for people who have no other option.
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Would you mind sharing what you've learned or at least a link or 2 about the stuff that has you scared of subs? I've had a similar belief I guess, that subs would be an easy way to taper from a ~4 pod/day habit. Doubt I could get them even if I wanted but still interested to learn more about them from real experiences - especially of people with a similar habit. I know methadone I would never consider going on because of hearing how impossible it is to get off and that it really should only be used for people who have no other option.
^ Here are a couple threads that really brought a lot of things to light:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=395580
http://bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=333166
Hours of reading to keep you busy.
Enjoy!
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=395580
http://bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=333166
Hours of reading to keep you busy.
Enjoy!
Help me please
Bluelighter
Dr Drew gave subs a bit of a boost on his rehab show which we all know is probably not a great example. Mike Star used them but looked to be worse for the wear when taking them. I was sure he was going to kill someone that season! Don't think they ever said anything about him weaning off them though so maybe he was still taking them when they "graduated" from rehab.
^ Those attention whores on TV give us dope fiends a bad name.
I've never seen such whiners in my life (and I'm a class-A whiner myself!). When I was in rehab, way back when, we'd have duct-taped them to the ceiling if someone acted like those spoiled brats!
Speaking of whiners: Still hanging in there @ 5g 2x/day. I'm stabile and ready for the next drop.
Hang in there everybody. Each day we're one day closer to being free from this crap.
Peace.
I've never seen such whiners in my life (and I'm a class-A whiner myself!). When I was in rehab, way back when, we'd have duct-taped them to the ceiling if someone acted like those spoiled brats!
Speaking of whiners: Still hanging in there @ 5g 2x/day. I'm stabile and ready for the next drop.
Hang in there everybody. Each day we're one day closer to being free from this crap.
Peace.
Help me please
Bluelighter
^ Ah duct tape...sort of like a wonder fix. I use it all the time. Electrical tape is fun too.
^
Duct Tape: For things that are moving and should not be.
WD-40: For things that are not moving and should be.
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Minor w/d symptoms creeping in tonight. Rumbling guts, chills, sneezing fits, aching back. I hope to hell I can stabilize by tomorrow night as I really don't want to have to sit and add any more days to this. Yeah I know: worry about tomorrow tomorrow right? right...
Tonight is the first time since I've begun this taper that I've had a desire to use. Got a lot done today but I'm kind of climbing the walls now. Gotta get off my ass and find something to do...
Hope everyone is hanging in there. The weekend is just about over and another week begins.
Hang in there everyone. Slowly but surely we'll get there.
Peace.
Duct Tape: For things that are moving and should not be.
WD-40: For things that are not moving and should be.
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Minor w/d symptoms creeping in tonight. Rumbling guts, chills, sneezing fits, aching back. I hope to hell I can stabilize by tomorrow night as I really don't want to have to sit and add any more days to this. Yeah I know: worry about tomorrow tomorrow right? right...
Tonight is the first time since I've begun this taper that I've had a desire to use. Got a lot done today but I'm kind of climbing the walls now. Gotta get off my ass and find something to do...
Hope everyone is hanging in there. The weekend is just about over and another week begins.
Hang in there everyone. Slowly but surely we'll get there.
Peace.
Help me please
Bluelighter
Shit Ham, please don't use! Not sure when you posted this but I hope you found something to do. You can always break something and then figure out how to fix it without duct tape!
Interesting... I've followed Dr Drew since his early Loveline radio show days (Adam Carolla fan). He was always very down on Methadone and said it should only be used as a very last resort for addicts, so I wondered how he viewed subs. Good to know he prescribes it since I do trust his judgment generally - even though I think that show is a bad idea.
Shit Ham, please don't use! Not sure when you posted this but I hope you found something to do. You can always break something and then figure out how to fix it without duct tape!
No worries- I'm on a mission here. I cleaned house until the wee hours. Thanks for the smile!
Monday morning. I slept okay. Not great but I slept so I'm not complaining. Still in minor w/d but I can feel this morning's dose coming on so that's a good sign. The fact that I can feel this small dose hopefully means I'm stabilizing. I'm amazed that I can feel 5g. at all. 5g. is a pretty small amount. Especially considering its these shitty pods. I'm hanging in there.
I hope everyone is holding steady and hanging in there.
Peace.
Whew, I didn't see your post yesterday, but I am so glad you stuck to the mission and didn't use!
You have come too far so far for that. I hope you are stabilizing at your dose. I am like you in that I can still feel it coming on after I dose, which I am also amazed at. I dropped to 5g yesterday, it looked like such a small amount, much different than a dose was a couple weeks ago.
Are you taking anything else to help you sleep? I think you mentioned the passion flower before, are you taking that? I have been taking valerian root and melatonin since I began my taper and it does seem to help. I also ordered some passion flower to give it a try as well. Some nights are better than others, but for the most part, I have been at least getting decent sleep with the help of the valerian and melatonin.
Hope your day is going well! Keep on hanging in there, we will all be rid of this stuff soon enough!
Thanks for looking out for me but don't worry. I WANT this.
5g is not holding me dammit. This is the third day and although I felt this morning's dose for a little while it didn't last. I've been shiverring, pupils dialated, bad guts, etc all day. I hate to do it but I've got to sit tight here at 5g and try to get stabilized. I can't miss work and if I cut my dose tomorrow I'm afraid it's gonna get ugly. I've got to blame these shitty pods. I swear there must be hardly any actives at all in them.
I'm seriously considering cutting out the pods and grinding up stems from the old good pods from this past fall, winter, and spring. I'd bet that those stems are stronger than these damn pods. I'm a "saver": I've got two garbage bags stuffed with stems and crowns. My only concern in doing so would be pissing away another week just trying to figure out the dose. Ugh. This is getting to be frustrating.
Well that's the breaks. I'm just gonna have to sit tight and be patient. Patience is not my strong suit. Othen that my bitching and whining I'm hanging tough. I should not have even mentioned thinking about getting high last night. It was no big deal. I mean really- if I want to get high I can any time I want just like anyone else. I was just so damn glad that I've had no cravings that when it hit me last night it kind of snuck up on me. Pffffft no big deal....
Thanks SO much for the support and concern. Keep up pthe good work and we'll get there eventually.
Peace.
5g is not holding me dammit. This is the third day and although I felt this morning's dose for a little while it didn't last. I've been shiverring, pupils dialated, bad guts, etc all day. I hate to do it but I've got to sit tight here at 5g and try to get stabilized. I can't miss work and if I cut my dose tomorrow I'm afraid it's gonna get ugly. I've got to blame these shitty pods. I swear there must be hardly any actives at all in them.
I'm seriously considering cutting out the pods and grinding up stems from the old good pods from this past fall, winter, and spring. I'd bet that those stems are stronger than these damn pods. I'm a "saver": I've got two garbage bags stuffed with stems and crowns. My only concern in doing so would be pissing away another week just trying to figure out the dose. Ugh. This is getting to be frustrating.
Well that's the breaks. I'm just gonna have to sit tight and be patient. Patience is not my strong suit. Othen that my bitching and whining I'm hanging tough. I should not have even mentioned thinking about getting high last night. It was no big deal. I mean really- if I want to get high I can any time I want just like anyone else. I was just so damn glad that I've had no cravings that when it hit me last night it kind of snuck up on me. Pffffft no big deal....
Thanks SO much for the support and concern. Keep up pthe good work and we'll get there eventually.
Peace.
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Yeh it seems like you're reaching the point where you're just not going to stablize like back at the larger doses. I noticed that too when I got to that point it was taking longer and longer to stablize. But if you wait long enough you absolutely will adjust, it just might take like 3-4 days instead of 1-2.
I'm excited for you however because at that low a dose its only a matter of time before the majority of more intense wds let up completely. I'm not sure how intense your shivering/hot flashes are but like I said before when I got low enough eventually all those symptoms stopped and were replaced by insomnia.
You didn't mention anything about taking lope in your last post and I think that can benefit you a lot at this point. If you take around 8-12mg it'll plug up all the receptors in your body, so those smaller doses go straight to your head and aren't wasted in your body. I also notice lope tended to make my doses last longer. Not 24 hours long, but instead of getting thrown back into wds at say hour 10-12, I noticed with lope I was getting closer to hour 18 before I was feeling wds again.
Those weaker pods are a bitch but I'm happy you at least have been tapering on them for a while now, just because they are weak as shit it should soften the jump off a good deal. I hate those fucking pods though because when I switched from the older stronger pods to them, I was thrown into the worst wds of my life. It actually took me a few days to realize it was the new shitty pods doing it.
The funny thing with tapering is the lower you get, the more and more you can "taste it", freedom that is. When you're only a few gms away from being off completely it really starts to eat up your patience like nothing else. When I got to where you are I started thinking more and more about jumping off everyday, although I went for about another 10 days before I actually did it.
It really was a feeling like nothing else when I stopped and by day 3 had realized there was no wds to deal with. I felt SO FUCKING GOOD to know the tapering worked exactly like it was suppose to, just too bad the insomnia had to keep getting worse as the days went by.
You are getting super close man just continue to take it day by day and keep doing what you're doing. In a strange way I kinda missed tapering when I initially jumped off. Tapering alone is so motivational you don't really realize it till you stop. Everyday you wake up with this huge motivation to just get through and conquer that specific day. Than you stop and its more like "hmm what am I motivated about doing now"? So don't be in a rush at all as sick as you can sometimes get during tapers they really give you willpower like nothing else I've ever experienced before.
I think at certain points during my taper I thought I was superman, because I was arrogantly kicking opiates in the nuts and dropping them all by myself, which isn't something a whole lot of people do. You should be proud that were blessed with the genes and mindpower to conquer an addiction as powerful as opiates, because there are people who have attempted the same thing you are dozens of times, and wound up suicidal or worse because they couldn't do it.
Hope to see you on the other side soon!! I should be there myself whenever my meds get here, they just shipped today so it can still be another week before I jump off again.
I'm excited for you however because at that low a dose its only a matter of time before the majority of more intense wds let up completely. I'm not sure how intense your shivering/hot flashes are but like I said before when I got low enough eventually all those symptoms stopped and were replaced by insomnia.
You didn't mention anything about taking lope in your last post and I think that can benefit you a lot at this point. If you take around 8-12mg it'll plug up all the receptors in your body, so those smaller doses go straight to your head and aren't wasted in your body. I also notice lope tended to make my doses last longer. Not 24 hours long, but instead of getting thrown back into wds at say hour 10-12, I noticed with lope I was getting closer to hour 18 before I was feeling wds again.
Those weaker pods are a bitch but I'm happy you at least have been tapering on them for a while now, just because they are weak as shit it should soften the jump off a good deal. I hate those fucking pods though because when I switched from the older stronger pods to them, I was thrown into the worst wds of my life. It actually took me a few days to realize it was the new shitty pods doing it.
The funny thing with tapering is the lower you get, the more and more you can "taste it", freedom that is. When you're only a few gms away from being off completely it really starts to eat up your patience like nothing else. When I got to where you are I started thinking more and more about jumping off everyday, although I went for about another 10 days before I actually did it.
It really was a feeling like nothing else when I stopped and by day 3 had realized there was no wds to deal with. I felt SO FUCKING GOOD to know the tapering worked exactly like it was suppose to, just too bad the insomnia had to keep getting worse as the days went by.
You are getting super close man just continue to take it day by day and keep doing what you're doing. In a strange way I kinda missed tapering when I initially jumped off. Tapering alone is so motivational you don't really realize it till you stop. Everyday you wake up with this huge motivation to just get through and conquer that specific day. Than you stop and its more like "hmm what am I motivated about doing now"? So don't be in a rush at all as sick as you can sometimes get during tapers they really give you willpower like nothing else I've ever experienced before.
I think at certain points during my taper I thought I was superman, because I was arrogantly kicking opiates in the nuts and dropping them all by myself, which isn't something a whole lot of people do. You should be proud that were blessed with the genes and mindpower to conquer an addiction as powerful as opiates, because there are people who have attempted the same thing you are dozens of times, and wound up suicidal or worse because they couldn't do it.
Hope to see you on the other side soon!! I should be there myself whenever my meds get here, they just shipped today so it can still be another week before I jump off again.
There you are! Been a little worried as I haven't seen you in a while. Sounds like you're hanging tight so that's good man! Thanks for checking in.
Yeah I had to go an extra day last week too. It's these shitty pods. They are the worst. The good part of it is that they make me HATE pods and I'll take all the pod-hatin' I can get right now.
They are what I'd call moderate. Not put me on my ass but it was 85 degrees and humid and I was shiverring (between literally pouring sweat a minute earlier) like it was freezing out. I hope that by dealing with them now I won't have to deal with them after the jump. Kinda makes sense.
I went off the lope after I stabilized last week but jumped back on it today. 12mg./morning and 12 mg./night. That stuff is a Godsend. Last week I was up to 36mg before the runs stopped. 24mg/day is holding me now. I'll take that as a good sign but who knows?
They caught me off guard last week. I thought I had my dose converted to these weak pods but nope- I got mugged by w/ds and it cost me a half days work.
From what I've been reading elsewhere what few pods are available from this harvest aren't any good either and prices are still through the roof. I have a feeling a lot more people are gonna be jumping off pods before long. What was once a really cheap and very effective thing is now ridiculously expensive. And the quality? Ha! Worthless garbage. I'm a major pod-hater these days. Don't get me wrong- I don't blame the pod for what I chose to do but I hate shitty weak pods. Just because they are shitty and weak.
Yeah man I can relate to being impatient. I keep thinking about just saying F it and jumping off. If I could take a week off of work I think I would just do it. Load up on every herbal sedative I have, hammer the lope, and just jump. Can't do it, though, because of work. It really is frustrating. I think it was Podster who said that as weak as these pods are the actual dose has to be pretty damn small. I can tell ya this: If the pre-shortage good pods were 10's these are 1's. No exagerration! Hs point was that even though it might feel like we're still dosing pretty high we really are not. I also looked in my cup and 5g isn't much. All these things make me wanna jump but I'll stay the course.
So far I'm still sleeping good. Even when I was sick last week I slept. Not as good as usual but enough. I'm lucky in that I only need 5-6 hours to feel okay. I've never been a big sleeper. I am a napper, though. I have always been able to sleep in w/ds and I think I'm pretty damn lucky for that because so many people suffer in that regard. I know you're having a hell of a time with it. Hope you catch a break soon because you've been fighting it for a long time now.
Yeah I'm gonna have to come up with something to fill up the empty space so that when I jump I'll have something to really focus on. My lower back has been killing me so a couple days ago I started doing stretches and trying to limber up. Maybe by the time I jump I'll be ready to start cranking out some crunches, pushups, jumping jacks, and can get up in the morning and do a little workout first thing. I really DO need to get myself in better shape as I let myself go the past couple years.
I've heard people say "It doesn't take will power" or that there is no such thing. Bullshit! Sitting there reading about someone elses taper is easy. Doing it and sticking to it is a whole other ballgame. Hell yes it takes willpower. I'm gonna be honest and my biggest motivator for this taper is fear.
I'm afraid of: not being able to support my addiction because of the expense and/or the lack of quality. I'm afraid of needing pain meds legitimately and not being given enough for them to work. I'm afraid of getting caught in a position where I can't dose and having to go c/t unplanned. I'm afraid of my health going downhill. I'm older than and health really starts to become important. I'm just afraid of having my good luck run out. I've been lucky and so far maintaining my habit has been easy. All good things come to an end and I don't wanna blow my good luck. I might need it later! Fear is a great motivator indeed.
Hell yes everyone who is going through this and making prgress has a right to be proud. This shit ain't easy! I am SO grateful for the support and I'm grateful for my "stubborn gene" that I was born with. You know where it gets hard for me? A week or two after the jump, when I am feeling better, and then the damn depressin comes rolling in and wants to put me down on my ass.
I'd never fault anyone for not being able to taper. It's a bitch. Some people can face c/t like they are made out of iron. Me? I shake at the mere thought of it. I think it all balances out somehow.
Hell yeah! I'm really glad you checked in tonight. Have'nt heard from you in a while. I hoped you have just been busy working and waiting for your meds. They ought to be coming soon I hope. Keep us posted as things progress. You're paving the way for a lot of taperers, man, and this one in particular wants to see you on the other side too!
Hang tough and we'll ALL get there eventually!
Peace.
Yeah I had to go an extra day last week too. It's these shitty pods. They are the worst. The good part of it is that they make me HATE pods and I'll take all the pod-hatin' I can get right now.
They are what I'd call moderate. Not put me on my ass but it was 85 degrees and humid and I was shiverring (between literally pouring sweat a minute earlier) like it was freezing out. I hope that by dealing with them now I won't have to deal with them after the jump. Kinda makes sense.
I went off the lope after I stabilized last week but jumped back on it today. 12mg./morning and 12 mg./night. That stuff is a Godsend. Last week I was up to 36mg before the runs stopped. 24mg/day is holding me now. I'll take that as a good sign but who knows?
They caught me off guard last week. I thought I had my dose converted to these weak pods but nope- I got mugged by w/ds and it cost me a half days work.
From what I've been reading elsewhere what few pods are available from this harvest aren't any good either and prices are still through the roof. I have a feeling a lot more people are gonna be jumping off pods before long. What was once a really cheap and very effective thing is now ridiculously expensive. And the quality? Ha! Worthless garbage. I'm a major pod-hater these days. Don't get me wrong- I don't blame the pod for what I chose to do but I hate shitty weak pods. Just because they are shitty and weak.
Yeah man I can relate to being impatient. I keep thinking about just saying F it and jumping off. If I could take a week off of work I think I would just do it. Load up on every herbal sedative I have, hammer the lope, and just jump. Can't do it, though, because of work. It really is frustrating. I think it was Podster who said that as weak as these pods are the actual dose has to be pretty damn small. I can tell ya this: If the pre-shortage good pods were 10's these are 1's. No exagerration! Hs point was that even though it might feel like we're still dosing pretty high we really are not. I also looked in my cup and 5g isn't much. All these things make me wanna jump but I'll stay the course.
So far I'm still sleeping good. Even when I was sick last week I slept. Not as good as usual but enough. I'm lucky in that I only need 5-6 hours to feel okay. I've never been a big sleeper. I am a napper, though. I have always been able to sleep in w/ds and I think I'm pretty damn lucky for that because so many people suffer in that regard. I know you're having a hell of a time with it. Hope you catch a break soon because you've been fighting it for a long time now.
Yeah I'm gonna have to come up with something to fill up the empty space so that when I jump I'll have something to really focus on. My lower back has been killing me so a couple days ago I started doing stretches and trying to limber up. Maybe by the time I jump I'll be ready to start cranking out some crunches, pushups, jumping jacks, and can get up in the morning and do a little workout first thing. I really DO need to get myself in better shape as I let myself go the past couple years.
I've heard people say "It doesn't take will power" or that there is no such thing. Bullshit! Sitting there reading about someone elses taper is easy. Doing it and sticking to it is a whole other ballgame. Hell yes it takes willpower. I'm gonna be honest and my biggest motivator for this taper is fear.
I'm afraid of: not being able to support my addiction because of the expense and/or the lack of quality. I'm afraid of needing pain meds legitimately and not being given enough for them to work. I'm afraid of getting caught in a position where I can't dose and having to go c/t unplanned. I'm afraid of my health going downhill. I'm older than and health really starts to become important. I'm just afraid of having my good luck run out. I've been lucky and so far maintaining my habit has been easy. All good things come to an end and I don't wanna blow my good luck. I might need it later! Fear is a great motivator indeed.
Hell yes everyone who is going through this and making prgress has a right to be proud. This shit ain't easy! I am SO grateful for the support and I'm grateful for my "stubborn gene" that I was born with. You know where it gets hard for me? A week or two after the jump, when I am feeling better, and then the damn depressin comes rolling in and wants to put me down on my ass.
I'd never fault anyone for not being able to taper. It's a bitch. Some people can face c/t like they are made out of iron. Me? I shake at the mere thought of it. I think it all balances out somehow.
Hell yeah! I'm really glad you checked in tonight. Have'nt heard from you in a while. I hoped you have just been busy working and waiting for your meds. They ought to be coming soon I hope. Keep us posted as things progress. You're paving the way for a lot of taperers, man, and this one in particular wants to see you on the other side too!
Hang tough and we'll ALL get there eventually!
Peace.
unsettled
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Good to see everyone is hanging in there, especially you HamClamp, you really have a GREAT attitude and that is one of the most important things when tapering.
I'm down to under 1mg of sub a day now, however I did have some severe cravings after my last visit to this thread and used a bit more sub than I needed for a few days mainly because I was just so overjoyed to finally feel normal again and the addict side of my brain kept telling me "Well maybe we can feel even Better with a little more!". This proved to not be true and I really just wasted a couple 8mg pills.
Luckily reality hit me back in the face when I realized I only had a very limited amount of sub left so I immediately tapered down to 1mg a day. I also ordered some Tramadol for when the sub is gone, I actually took some with the sub the today and it felt nice, a little bit of an antidepressant effect without the side effects I was getting from the effexor even though I realize they are very similarly structured drugs.
So for now I'm just going to keep on tapering, if I really need to stay at a certain dose for an extra day or two for the sake of my sanity I will do that. Considering I won't be on the subs too long (probably 2 to 3 weeks total) I think I'll be alright when I come off of them.
I do realize that the pod wd's definitely linger on for awhile after you quit, it is for this reason I think the sub helped me out by allowing me to be stable and actually eat and get some exercise which I desperately needed after weeks of tapering and wd's.
I think the cravings will be the biggest challenge once I get off all of this stuff. Luckily I do see a psychiatrist once a month for depression/anxiety issues so hopefully we can find something besides klonopin and ambien to help me deal with my issues.
I gotta say keeping busy has proved to be the best anti withdrawal aid, as long as your wd's are only moderate, having to work everyday can really be a blessing in disguise because it gets your mind off of it all.
Hang in there everyone, Opiate wd's are tough but not impossible to overcome, we can do it!
I'm down to under 1mg of sub a day now, however I did have some severe cravings after my last visit to this thread and used a bit more sub than I needed for a few days mainly because I was just so overjoyed to finally feel normal again and the addict side of my brain kept telling me "Well maybe we can feel even Better with a little more!". This proved to not be true and I really just wasted a couple 8mg pills.
Luckily reality hit me back in the face when I realized I only had a very limited amount of sub left so I immediately tapered down to 1mg a day. I also ordered some Tramadol for when the sub is gone, I actually took some with the sub the today and it felt nice, a little bit of an antidepressant effect without the side effects I was getting from the effexor even though I realize they are very similarly structured drugs.
So for now I'm just going to keep on tapering, if I really need to stay at a certain dose for an extra day or two for the sake of my sanity I will do that. Considering I won't be on the subs too long (probably 2 to 3 weeks total) I think I'll be alright when I come off of them.
I do realize that the pod wd's definitely linger on for awhile after you quit, it is for this reason I think the sub helped me out by allowing me to be stable and actually eat and get some exercise which I desperately needed after weeks of tapering and wd's.
I think the cravings will be the biggest challenge once I get off all of this stuff. Luckily I do see a psychiatrist once a month for depression/anxiety issues so hopefully we can find something besides klonopin and ambien to help me deal with my issues.
I gotta say keeping busy has proved to be the best anti withdrawal aid, as long as your wd's are only moderate, having to work everyday can really be a blessing in disguise because it gets your mind off of it all.
Hang in there everyone, Opiate wd's are tough but not impossible to overcome, we can do it!
Thanks for checking in Unsettled! Glad you're still on the taper train. Sounds like you're hanging in there and looking forward towards the goal. Right on!
Woke up with a pounding headache and still not stabilized. God I hate these shitty pods. I swear there are only some minor alkyloids in them with virtually no morphine or codeine. I just can't seem to get right here at 5g and I've never had this problem before. Not even close. It's GOT to be these pods. but anyway...
I'm gonna sit tight an extra day at this dose. I almost feel like I need to step back up by a couple grams but that's kind of defeating the purpose of a taper huh? So yeah I'm gonna sit tight here and hope I settle in today. I ought to be hitting the saturation point with the Lope so hopefully I'll be ready for my next drop tomorrow. I just want to get this over with. It's getting old fast.
I probably sound negative today but I'm really not. Just kind of wiped out and the weather isn't helping. Literally 100% humidity today and getting hot already. Same thing for the rest of the week. Being freezing cold when it's 90 degrees confuses my body and brain! I'm looking past this crap, thgouh, and thinking about this: By the time I jump off completely the heat will be a thing of the past and the weather will probably be really nice. Warm but not hot and the humidity will be gone. It'll be nice to be clean and have nice weather so Ic an get outside, do some work around here, maybe take some long walks/hikes.
I hope you guys and gals are doing okay today. I want to see us all posting here a little while from now, having succeeded, and all laughing about this taper baloney and the poppy shortage/shitty pod fiasco of 2010. I want us ALL to look back and laugh about this stupid shit!
Flipping the bird to poppy pods everywhere and waving at all the good guys and gals that are taperring, maintaining, and kicking!
Peace.
Woke up with a pounding headache and still not stabilized. God I hate these shitty pods. I swear there are only some minor alkyloids in them with virtually no morphine or codeine. I just can't seem to get right here at 5g and I've never had this problem before. Not even close. It's GOT to be these pods. but anyway...
I'm gonna sit tight an extra day at this dose. I almost feel like I need to step back up by a couple grams but that's kind of defeating the purpose of a taper huh? So yeah I'm gonna sit tight here and hope I settle in today. I ought to be hitting the saturation point with the Lope so hopefully I'll be ready for my next drop tomorrow. I just want to get this over with. It's getting old fast.
I probably sound negative today but I'm really not. Just kind of wiped out and the weather isn't helping. Literally 100% humidity today and getting hot already. Same thing for the rest of the week. Being freezing cold when it's 90 degrees confuses my body and brain! I'm looking past this crap, thgouh, and thinking about this: By the time I jump off completely the heat will be a thing of the past and the weather will probably be really nice. Warm but not hot and the humidity will be gone. It'll be nice to be clean and have nice weather so Ic an get outside, do some work around here, maybe take some long walks/hikes.
I hope you guys and gals are doing okay today. I want to see us all posting here a little while from now, having succeeded, and all laughing about this taper baloney and the poppy shortage/shitty pod fiasco of 2010. I want us ALL to look back and laugh about this stupid shit!
Flipping the bird to poppy pods everywhere and waving at all the good guys and gals that are taperring, maintaining, and kicking!
Peace.
unsettled, I agree with you that keeping busy as much as possible is actually a blessing in disguise when tapering! The days I am at work or chasing the little one around all day are so much easier than the "down" days when there isn't as much to do. Not that I ever have many of those.
Ham, I really hope that sitting at this dose an extra day helps you stabilize. Don't worry about sounding negative, we all understand and are here for you to vent your frustration to. I am convinced as well that these pods are terrible. Just use that to make you hate them even more! I know that you mentioned using the stems etc from the good pods and while you may be right about them having more morphine and codeine, it might would take awhile to figure the dosage and in the end not really move the taper forward. But, of course, do what you think will work the best. Listen to your body, even if it means uping the dose a bit if you don't stabilize. Perhaps the drop was too much this time? If you do end up feeling like you need to go up maybe you could try 1/2g or so and see if it helps. I am looking forward to the time when we will all be looking back and laughing about this mess. Soon enough it will happen. We will all get there!
Ham, I really hope that sitting at this dose an extra day helps you stabilize. Don't worry about sounding negative, we all understand and are here for you to vent your frustration to. I am convinced as well that these pods are terrible. Just use that to make you hate them even more! I know that you mentioned using the stems etc from the good pods and while you may be right about them having more morphine and codeine, it might would take awhile to figure the dosage and in the end not really move the taper forward. But, of course, do what you think will work the best. Listen to your body, even if it means uping the dose a bit if you don't stabilize. Perhaps the drop was too much this time? If you do end up feeling like you need to go up maybe you could try 1/2g or so and see if it helps. I am looking forward to the time when we will all be looking back and laughing about this mess. Soon enough it will happen. We will all get there!
ArtVandalay
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I've gotten down to a point and have been at this for a week. Wake up everyday in minor wd but even that is horrible. I have major back pain, my muscles feel weak, no motivation, depression, anxiety.
If I keep tapering down slowly will these symptoms get better/stay the same/ or get worse?? I honestly am having trouble dealing with even minor wd's. If I didn't have any work I could deal but it's soooo hard having to work then come home and be productive (can't veg all night, gotta do stuff with the gf).
If I keep tapering down slowly will these symptoms get better/stay the same/ or get worse?? I honestly am having trouble dealing with even minor wd's. If I didn't have any work I could deal but it's soooo hard having to work then come home and be productive (can't veg all night, gotta do stuff with the gf).
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Art are you tapering too fast maybe? For me personally although some days were worst than others for the majority of my taper it was relatively easy to function.
The symptoms absolutely will get better eventually till they go away all together. But when they go away depends on the speed of your taper, and how long you've been tapering for. If you wrote out rough doses, and a general outline of your taper, it would be possible to speculate a little better. But tapering definitely shouldn't have you in a state where you can't do much of anything. If thats the case it just means to me that you may be tapering a bit too quickly.
The symptoms absolutely will get better eventually till they go away all together. But when they go away depends on the speed of your taper, and how long you've been tapering for. If you wrote out rough doses, and a general outline of your taper, it would be possible to speculate a little better. But tapering definitely shouldn't have you in a state where you can't do much of anything. If thats the case it just means to me that you may be tapering a bit too quickly.
ArtVandalay
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You might be right. I was using amp's the past week which helped me get my dose down considerably. Now I'm out of that, which could be effecting me as well. Maybe if I take a little before bed I won't wake up in wd. I think I need to stay at this level before I taper even further.
Hey Art- good to see you.
Yeah it makes a big difference if you get stabilized first and only then take a small drop. I've been going through the same thing- Twice now I've had to sit tight an extra day to allow myself to get stable before dropping my dose again. Maybe slow down a little, get stable, and things will go a little better for you.
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I finally stabilized- woke up today with only slight w/d symtoms. Whew! The last couple days were a bitch. I'm gonna stay @ 5g today and drop down to 4.5g tomorrow. Time to get this show on the road again. My patience was wearing SO thin I almost chucked it all last night and was ready to just go c/t. If I didn't have to work I'd jump right here and now.
Well alright anough of my bitching and whining. Back on track now and ready to carry on. Even having slight w/d feels good compared to the past couple days. What a relief. I'm telling ya- that shit really wears on you mentally. Depression has been rearing its ugly head. The worse I was feeling physically the more depressed I was feeling. I had a bad case of the blues last night. Waking up feeling relatively decent today made a big difference in my attitude and I'm feeling positve and hopeful again.
Enough of my babling. I hope everyone is hanging in there!
Peace.
Yeah it makes a big difference if you get stabilized first and only then take a small drop. I've been going through the same thing- Twice now I've had to sit tight an extra day to allow myself to get stable before dropping my dose again. Maybe slow down a little, get stable, and things will go a little better for you.
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I finally stabilized- woke up today with only slight w/d symtoms. Whew! The last couple days were a bitch. I'm gonna stay @ 5g today and drop down to 4.5g tomorrow. Time to get this show on the road again. My patience was wearing SO thin I almost chucked it all last night and was ready to just go c/t. If I didn't have to work I'd jump right here and now.
Well alright anough of my bitching and whining. Back on track now and ready to carry on. Even having slight w/d feels good compared to the past couple days. What a relief. I'm telling ya- that shit really wears on you mentally. Depression has been rearing its ugly head. The worse I was feeling physically the more depressed I was feeling. I had a bad case of the blues last night. Waking up feeling relatively decent today made a big difference in my attitude and I'm feeling positve and hopeful again.
Enough of my babling. I hope everyone is hanging in there!
Peace.
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