Stablizing my Adderall habit to therapeutic levels - advice

[Soap MacTavish]

Ok I think I've had my fun on Adderall, and I think the party's over. Basically I need to get my habit down to my prescribed dose in a hurry. The problem is I have had days where I take 300mg, and days when I take 90mg.

Today I am trying to get by with my prescription dose of 30mg XR twice daily. So after getting 12 hours of sleep last night, I woke up feeling the withdrawal and took my 30mg XR this morning at 7:30, it just didn't seem to be quite enough, like I was blanking out and feeling that fatigue creep up. I would fall into these weird zone-out states and snap back and twitch. Also my hands are shaky. At 11:30 I took my second dose, I'm feeling a little better but I am wondering how this will go since I might get cut off by my psychiatrist for my next scrip because my wife called her and told her I went into a psycho rage on this stuff and was not sleeping and eating and stuff.

So how long will it take before I can stabilize on my therapeutic? What do you recommend? Would it work better if I dumped half the capsule out and take it spread out into 4 doses instead of 2?

Like I imagine by 5pm today I am going to be fatigued again and in that zone-out short circuit mode again.

 

[bronson]

So how long will it take before I can stabilize on my therapeutic? What do you recommend? Would it work better if I dumped half the capsule out and take it spread out into 4 doses instead of 2?

Because of the way the time release works, dividing into four doses shouldn't really be necessary, and wouldn't make a positive difference.

Lowering your dose is going to cause unpleasant symptoms. Period.

Adderall is very addictive stuff, and it can be very challenging, but if you're serious about it, and want to derive any actual therapeutic benefit from it, your best bet is to start using it as directed effective immediately. You're going to feel like crap for a while, but over the course of about a week things should start to normalize for you.

Best of luck, and let us know your progress.

 

[Soap MacTavish]

Yesterday I went 100% therapeutic: 30/30 XR. It didn't feel good at all much of the day, mainly it was the fatigue effect kicking in, not so much depression yet. It was sort of somber here in the office where my good buddy Adderall and I would normally do our best work. I really miss him. Usually I am buzzing around this place but yesterday I could barely keep my eyes open all day, it felt like I was trying to stay awake on ambien. This was the worst effect for sure: at any moment I needed to think about something I would instantly zonk out into my ADD-world of dreams and then just as suddenly, seconds later snap and jerk back to reality like catching yourself falling into a dream right before bed, but this was happening constantly. I was afraid people were seeing this, if they did they be wondering why the fuck it looks like I'm having a quick seizure every few minutes.

I passed out way early in the evening around 10pm because I was essentially crashing. This morning is not much better at all.Today seems to be the same thing.

I have to face the music and call my shrink today to see if she's still going to treat me. I seriously doubt it. It's too bad because I actually do have this ADD thing. I might have to shop around if she breaks up with me.

 

[bronson]

If you're having a serious addiction problem, perhaps be upfront and honest with your doctor. Maybe they could switch you to strattera so your ADD could still be treated and the addictive potential would be lessened.

Strattera isn't for everyone, but it might be at least worth a shot in your situation.

 

[Soap MacTavish]

is Straterra effective compared to Adderall? I mean, I know for sure adderall works but yeah I am an addict. So I dunno. I will probably have to go through a rough couple weeks here.

 

[Z Y G G Y]

How about trying vyvanse. I know alot of people who say it works really well for their ADD. It's basically an extended version formulation of dexedrine. It needs to pass through your digestive system to be effective so it has less potential for abuse and it works longer than adderall. It is similar to adderall, but many people like it better. Read up on the differences b/w adderall and vyvanse if you want to know more. I suggest trying that before you try something like straterra, which works for many people but most say its not as good as vyvanse which is very similar in effectiveness to adderall.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do. And don't stress about your psychdoc dropping you cuz there are tons more who will script you ADD meds. So its not like she's the only one. You probably won't have a problem finding another doc who will script you the meds, so no reason to stress out at all. You will be fine and will get the meds from somebody else.

 

[Soap MacTavish]

good call, thanks

 

[TheFDA]

Ok I think I've had my fun on Adderall, and I think the party's over. Basically I need to get my habit down to my prescribed dose in a hurry. The problem is I have had days where I take 300mg, and days when I take 90mg.

Today I am trying to get by with my prescription dose of 30mg XR twice daily. So after getting 12 hours of sleep last night, I woke up feeling the withdrawal and took my 30mg XR this morning at 7:30, it just didn't seem to be quite enough, like I was blanking out and feeling that fatigue creep up. I would fall into these weird zone-out states and snap back and twitch. Also my hands are shaky. At 11:30 I took my second dose, I'm feeling a little better but I am wondering how this will go since I might get cut off by my psychiatrist for my next scrip because my wife called her and told her I went into a psycho rage on this stuff and was not sleeping and eating and stuff.

So how long will it take before I can stabilize on my therapeutic? What do you recommend? Would it work better if I dumped half the capsule out and take it spread out into 4 doses instead of 2?

Like I imagine by 5pm today I am going to be fatigued again and in that zone-out short circuit mode again.

Wow... It's always comforting in an odd sort of way to know I'm not the only person who's addicted to Adderall that badly, lol [& yes, that's a completely selfish comment on my part].

I'd recommend taking advantage of the fact that your psychiatrist knows that you have a problem with Adderall & hasn't cut you off yet to talk to him/her about what the safest & least uncomfortable way of slowly getting your Adderall intake back to a normal Therapeutic dosage would be.

Even if you've only been taking much more Adderall than you're prescribed daily for as little time as a month or two, making a drastic cut in what's become your normal daily intake CAN be dangerous... Not physically dangerous, but dangerous in that you're putting yourself at a really high risk for more "psychotic rages".

I don't think there's any easy solution to your problem... & if you find one, please let me know!

 

[Soap MacTavish]

Update to this, you may have read it in the other adderall thread i responded to. My shrink did NOT cut me off and was totally sympathetic to my needs and requests. In fact sometimes I wonder if she's a little too sympathetic. I was expecting a disappointed and betrayed look on her face but it was still a smle and she didn't treat me like anything I was expecting, like I was expecting her to be short with me and maybe just terminate my treatment. Instead she made it feel like any other visit. She's an older woman and I'm sure has experienced this type of thing many times. But anyway my wife wanted my dosage reduced or cut off, so my doc decided to appease her and wrote me a scrip for 25mg XR's doen from the 30mg XR's. So I took the script up and got it filled and now I have a good ammount left of the 30mg XR's AND a full bottle of 60 25mg XR's. Plus I still have 20 or 30 20mg IR's left over from the last time she did this 3 weeks ago. That's been one change a week, which leaves me with a double stockpile every time.

As I mentioned I find this interesting. Does my shrink really expect a known ex junkie and current addict to dump those pills? Or binge on them and get more addicted, and keep her more in business. After all the more times i come in the office the more stable and reliable cash-flow she has coming in. Which is crazy and greedy, but works out for addicts since she has alwasy been very libral about writing for me. My first day there she scheduled me to go from 10mg twice daily to 30mg twice daily. Which seems a bit far to go in a week. And on the same first day there she mentioned that "oh don't worry though most of my other patients are on doses of 60 to 120mg daily, you should be fine, this is a good dose for a man of your size" Almost as if she was letting me in to her secret that she does indeed croak out some wild partying scripts. Either that ot she actually is a very compassionate and understanding and wise old croaker. I guess in time I will find out.

So, now back to the issue at hand. Stablizing on my 25mg XR twice daily... Well, I'm an old addict, and as soon as the realization hit that I have all these tons of extra adderall on hand just hanging around... what the hell do you think I did? I fucked up is what I did and I have not been to sleep yet or eaten in about 35 hours. I binged all night and must have went through 400mg of IR and XR. I was feeling hyped and happy because my stockpile makes me happy.

Funny thing, I have a presentation to give in 20 minutes and I am currently a crashed out rocked out fucked up freak. I popped 6 inderals for the Adrenaline and angina pectoris reduction, as well as blood pressure lowering properties, and stuck 2mg's of klonopin under my tongue to bring me back down to earth and ground me. It's sort of a working but my body hurts all over and my eyes are zombied out. What a mess. My tremors are starting to reside but this stuff is just so incredibly damaging to the mind and body.

So I will have to restart tomorrow and see if I can get through a day on my scribed dose.

 

[djcees]

which foods/vitamines/whatever can potentiate amphetamines or counteract amphetamines? My friend told me to chew some papaya pills...anyone hear of stuff like this?

 

[DexterMeth]

look into nootropics like piracetam, aniracetam, 5-HT, 5-HTP, tryptophan, L-tyrosine, even phenibut (not phenobarbital).

I've been up on methylphenidate for 2 days so I'm not going to go into detail why I listen a couple non-potentiators and a couple potentiators.

The simplest and easiest is baking soda and Tums a good 15-45minutes before ingestion.
Piracetam should give you smoother effects, and you don't have to take as much. Like if you take 10mg, you'd take 5mg and feel the same or higher and better. I'm more speaking from a legit theraputic POV in regards to Nootropics and amps.

Go with the baking soda and Tums.

If you ever find someone that house a script of "Dylantin" pills... wow.. ya, get some for some extra crazy amp potentation. The nootropics (are for avoiding harmful neurotoxicity and bad crashes/comedowns, which the jury is still out on amphetamines [NOT meth-amphetamine] are just a good idea in general for all an all around more "physically fit" brain. Drugs and suppliments don't do all the work though.

Remember...you gotta still learn to utilize that energy and really learn to focus... clear cut precision. "Focus is EVERYTHING..." -unknown

The longer you hold in your piss with amps in your system, a good amount will recycle back around again too keep you spun even longer. It's not healthy on your kidneys (at the very least), and if done should only be done when you're desperate. Just use the fucking baking soda and tums. Baking soda enough will do the trick. Mixing with some fucking coca-cola even will...I just prefer pure baking soda. I don't really go for sweets that much and I'm not a bitch when it comes to downing drugs. "HOLD that peyote in your stomach another hour son!" "Why can't everything be simple like coke and E? waaahahha!"

 

[Soap MacTavish]

Yeah I do tums and omaprazole tabs every day so my body is already used to retaining high amounts of bioavailability.

However I'm starting to doubt I will come out of this thing unscathed or be able to stabilize at all at this point. I went through something like 1200mg over the weekend. So I got about 3 hours of sleep in the last 3 days, that was early this morning. Right now I took my therapeutic dose but it's not doing a lot for the tremors of my body and mind.

Shit... I mean it feels like I need double the dose just to be normal. Looking at this situation truthfully I should just get the fuck off these things right now. Not gonna happen though. Not till I crash and burn. I'm getting that feeling again that I need to find a landing pad somewhere on the ground or I'll be in some shit. How long does it take for these tremors to stop?

I truthfully have ADD too, and it truthfully ruined my life because it went undiagnosed for 30 years and by the time they found it, it was crystal clear that it was the true root of all my worst problems. And believe me I have many.

What a pain in the ass...

 

[bey0nd]

The only way you'll stop is when you run out. It takes massive willpower to take less once you start taking more. I slept 17 hours two night ago after I finished my vyvanse script. Good luck, bro.