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2c-p / 2c-e. treading on thin ice

you could do that, or make do with a .01g scale and use the techniques contained in the Liqud Measurement Thread.

you'll save a bunch of money, and its probably even more accurate than using a 1mg scale if you do it right.

really, 2c-p isn't that much scarier than 2c-e. the pihkal entry makes it sound more intimidating than it deserves to be. actually, 2c-e was a scarier trip to me, but maybe thats because i had taken it when i first started using psychedelics. who knows how they would compare now.
 
^^ I prefer to use gel caps rather than liquid though. Bitter, bitter stuff...

Wish I knew the price range for a scale that can measure to 100ug or .1mg. It'd be interesting just to know if it's possible to buy.
 
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nearjat, I head about that stuff, known as "tripstacy" but I really know nothing about it... mind telling me a little about it from personal experience? assuming you have some

From my experience, I'd say T7 is a wild ass drug. Extreme in every way, extreme nausea, extreme visual complexity and saturation, extreme euphoria, extreme stimulation (good kind). Lots of multi-level concept type conversations happen when me and my friends take it too. Like one sentence is interpreted on four different scales/levels.
 
never done 2cp. but 2ce is incredably visual as much as lsd or mushrooms if not more. just a warning though if you have any emotional baggage or shit in your life troubling you, 2ce will force you to confront and deal with it. no word of a lie i was seeing insane visuals but i didnt give a fuck all i could think of is everything in my life it was enough to make me really depressed. 2ce will show you shit about yourself and you might not always like what you see i sure didn't. mushrooms, acid and other 2cx's are different for me id be mesmerized by all the visuals and my head would be in a completley different place.

if you want a euphoric positive fun energetic trip. something else would be a sure bet. if your looking for a deep therapuetic trip where you accomplish shit and face your problems 2ce is your drug. the only happy trip with 2ce i had was when i dosed mdma on it and that was like pure zen. 2ce always seems serious to me when im on it and will definatley give you lots to think about even after the trip is over. that said id really like to try 2ce some more it is definatley interesting stuff even if it is the most difficult psych ive tripped with
 
I have a scale supposed to be accurate down to .001g so I'll be cool with that hopefully, nearjat, 2c-t-7 sounds fucking absurd lol I may have to look into that
 
i like both of these alot. I've taken 2c-e more than any other 2c, probably about 25-30 times over the past few years. I've also tried 2c-c, d, i, p, & t2 for points of reference. It seems to be the most user directed of the 2c's when it comes to mood/euphoria/dysphoria. The visuals on it are great, pretty impressive as low as ~10mg for most people. I have used it therapeutically a few times as well when i was having trouble with important decisions and avoiding the issue. These aren't the most pleasant of trips, but certainly productive, and the end of trips like these is usually very rewarding. I've also used it recreationally at music events and the like, also certainly a blast, but more of a risk as its in an uncontrolled environment. I've also taken it with a significant other and stayed around the house watching movies and/or doing the freaky trippin fuckfest thing ;) All in all, one of the more useful 2c's. In the book Higher Wisdom, Shulgin named 2c-e as the most potentially useful of his creations. And that's probably as informed an opinion as you'll find, but an opinion nonetheless. It does have a tendency to bring issues you may be having to the forefront though, so if you're looking for escapism from some problem, this isn't your drug. I usually like to take 18-22mg, and have gone higher, but I've got some stuff to work out before i go back to the 25-30mg range. Even at lower doses it can be a bit manic, fast loopy thoughts, desire to smoke (if you're a smoker) and potentially pace when approaching the peak. Cannabis certainly enhances the visuals, but makes the mental aspects less clear.

I've only had the chance to try 2c-p (at an active dose, did some <1mg testing a week or so before) once so far because of the lengthy duration, but i had a really great time, and at only 9mg. I used 2 AWS Gemini 20's to sextuple check the weight of the empty capsule, then added about 5mg, commenced with borderline ocd weight checking, then continued adding almost imperceptible amounts of 2c-p & doing more obsessive weighing til i reached between 8.5-9.5mg. Strange little ritual.

The long duration is not quite as long as it seems because, IME, for about 2.5-3 of those you're more or less sober, with a slight stony feeling. 2c-p was very relaxed for me, almost as relaxed as 2c-c, but not quite. Other than that it was not terribly different from my experiences with 2c-e. Visuals were similar, but a bit fuzzier, slightly more euphoric than my more recent 2c-e trips, but i've had 2c-e trips that were equally if not more euphoric. Mentally & physically it felt a bit like 2c-e in slow motion, if that makes any sense. I felt rather sedate, but awake for the duration of the experience, but this could've partly been due to me getting extremely stoned on hash & eating a bunch of carryout from a local italian restaurant during the comeup and laid on the couch feeling very stoned and full during most of the comeup. I laid on the couch watching cartoons for a while enjoying myself. Then went to a bar with a couple friends for a couple pints & caught some music, though frankly i was more interested in the people watching than the band. The band was quite musically talented, but some of their song choices weren't exactly my thing, but i was able to appreciate it objectively. Conversation felt a tad forced, but not too bad, I was still able to make jokes that people who weren't tripping found funny. went home, listened to some more tunes, watched a bunch of king of the hill, drank another beer or two and went to sleep relatively easily at about T+14.5, so all in all i was only really tripping for 11.5hrs, though when i woke up and went from the couch to the bed a couple hours later i still had some minor visual activity going on. Think i'm going to try 11 or 12 this weekend. Overall I found 2c-p, in my limited experience to be the 2c most similar to mescaline, or cactus extract rather, never had synthetic or otherwise purified mescaline, though a bit less clear headed.

hope that helps
 
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any major dude that was one of the most informative and best posts I've ever read, thanks a lot man
 
amd brings up a good point at the end--i've only had two san pedro experiences, but 2c-p definitely felt more like san pedro than any other drug i've tried.
 
any major dude that was one of the most informative and best posts I've ever read, thanks a lot man

glad i could help

amd brings up a good point at the end--i've only had two san pedro experiences, but 2c-p definitely felt more like san pedro than any other drug i've tried.

I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned more, I also have only had 2 cactus experiences, mostly due to hating working with cactus snot, and found it quite similar to 2c-p. Think I may have seen one other person mention this, but found the comparison quite apt.
 
In what ways is it more similar to cactus than 2c-e is to cactus? Is it the sense of relaxation? The visuals? if so I might wanna sample this after all...
 
the body feeling and the visuals of 2c-p are both closer to cactus than 2c-e.

i was thinking about typing up another big paragraph explaining the difference between the two, but i think there's a simpler way to put it... 2c-p, for me, is waaaay more recreational than 2c-e.

but as always, to each their own, and your mileage may vary :)

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my first 2c-p trip was pretty intensely introspective, but subsequent ones were definitely more extro than intro.
 
that is a rediculously high dose of 2c-e.

for 2c-p i would start low (10mg) and up your dose on successive trips till you find your sweet spot.
I have taken 2c-p and would start far lower than 10mg, more like 5-6mg. It is the most intense 2c-x I have had the pleasure of trying but is not recreational by any means.

The higest dose I took was 8mg and it was extremely intense. More intense than 25mg of 2c-e and nowhere near as forgiving (not that I would class 2c-e as "forgiving"). It also lasts a very long time.

My advice is to stay away unless very experienced.
 
I'll take this into consideration when figuring out my dose, however, I think if I choose 2c-p I will most likely do a 10mg dose. this being because of the fact that I'm kinda large (200lbs) and also because I am indeed VERY experienced with the majority of drugs apart from RCs to give you an idea my acid trip number is in the hundreds. thank you though for the advice please do not think it has fallen upon deaf ears because it has certainly not.

thank you everyone
 
What does your brain weigh? Body weight means fuck all with psychedelics. Enjoy your 10mg, though I STRONGLY advise against it I have a feeling you won't listen.
 
abrad, that was a very ignorant statement that you made. That is certainly not the only thing that matters. Keep in mind what 2C-P is, a Phenethylamine. Just because it's a Psychedelic does NOT mean that your body weight does not matter. Let's think here, MDMA is a psych and it is weight dependent, DXM is classified also as a psych and it's weight dependent, also Ketamine is classified as a psych and it's weight dependent. Do you see where I'm going with this?

2c-p is not LSD. it's not a straight psych it's a Phenethylamine.



BBBBUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTT I agree with catfish, I wanna know how much my brain weighs
 
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