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2c-p / 2c-e. treading on thin ice

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Cybion

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Alright PD time for a thread where I nearly break rules, sorry. First comes something close to a question of what drug should I do; however, I'm going to avoid that question. Instead I want to know what you guys think, out of the people who have done both or by word of mouth, which drug (2c-p/2c-e) is 1. the most visual 2. the most euphoric 3. the most energetic 4. the most mindfucking.
Yes, yes, yes, I understand that everyone is different and everyone will have differing opinions when it comes to drugs; but I don't care, I'd like to know them. I would just like a comparison of these two drugs.

Now, there exists a rule here on PD
No Vendor Discussion - No mention of vendors. If someone asks, do NOT post "hints," just tell them to read the Forum Guidelines. If you are going to make a post about a drug or article of paraphernalia (LEGAL OR NOT-- including nitrous, crackers, morning glory seeds, etc.), leave out where you obtained it. Do not mention you can buy [fill in drug/paraphernalia name here] over the internet. Do not paste information from vendor's web sites asking for clarification. Where or how you got either of these is no one's business. Mentioning on-line vendors only attracts more attention to them, even if specific vendor names are not mentioned. This rule also applies to mentions of websites that act as a "vendor database," even if you have to already know a vendor's name to use it.


So of course I will NOT ask anything about vendors and I'll ask people NOT to post anything regarding vendors, and naturally I'm not going to ask people to pm me about vendors because that would be wrong. However, I will say that being on the outside of the RC ring really sucks, and I've tried many many different ways to find a vendor. I've found a few that seem like legitimate vendors but you never know which really sucks. So, my second question in this thread, how hard was it/how long did it take for you to find your vendors for RCs?



Dear Mods,
The above post is certainly treading on thin ice here, this is something I understand, if the ice is cracking I ask that you please delete the thread, my questions are not worth getting slammed in the face with the banhammer
 
With the dose sensitivity inherent in 2c-p, I'd personally go with 2c-e. I only have experience with 2c-e, but it seems that the consensus is that they are quite closely related in overall experience.

16mg of 2c-p is noted as an overdose, both from trip reports here on bluelight, and from Shulgin's account in PIHKAL.

I personally would never want to take risks with something like 2c-p. I do hear some users report it as sedating, relaxing though. 2c-e seemed to be energetic and jittery... like you had to solve all the problems in your head right NOW. I've tripped on 2c-e about 5 times, haven't touched it in months because the 12 hour length is somewhat of a turn off. But everytime I took it, I would go through a hellishly introspective phase of thinking about the course of my life and the need to get it back on track.
 
1. the most visual - Depending on dose, 2c-e at a higher dose (50mg) has been more visual and physically benign than 14mg of 2c-p and I'm not too keen on going much above 14-16mg

2. the most euphoric - 2c-e

3. the most energetic 2c-p

4. the most mindfucking. 2c-p

Its all subjective depending on dose, set and setting so its kind of hard to answer. You might enjoy 12mg 2c-p over 20mg of 2c-e or vice versa. You're going to get a bunch of different answers on this one, horses for courses.

And it took me about 10 mins of googling to find a legit vendor and check it against a database
 
2C-P is not really widely explored. It's a lot longer (to a fault), and in most comparisons it seems to score slightly lower than 2C-E on most metrics. I personally have not bioassayed it at any significant dose.

If you want euphoric and energetic, and not-deep, go with 2C-I. If you want a deeper psychedelic with a stronger mindfuck, 2C-E would be more appropriate. 2C-I is okay at low doses in social situation, I would totally not do that with 2C-E.

2C-I and 2C-E are the most common 2C RC's for a reason.

Structural entropy - 2C-E does not have 12 hr duration IME - Though 2C-P is in the 12 hr range. I find 2C-E to last only slightly longer than 2C-I, 6-8 hrs. I agree that 2C-E has a tendency toward deep introspection, sometimes to an undesirable degree.
 
Never did 2C-P as the dose response curve is apparently very steep. 2C-E has a pretty damn steep dose response curve already, and the difference between a normal dose and an overdose is very slim with 2C-P. I think it is similar to 2C-E from what I've heard but longer lasting, and possibly more intense?

Never found 2C-E to be particularly euphoric, although the visuals can leave you in a euphoric awe. Some people find 2C-E to be euphoric. I'd recommend trying 2C-E first, as 2C-P seems to be a more intense version of 2C-E, although I could be wrong. Never did 2C-P so I can't comment much.

2C-E is very visual and seems to be safer than 2C-P, so I never had much interest in the latter. 2C-E lasts about 10 hours for me, which is plenty, so I was never interested in 2C-P as it is even longer acting.

Never found 2C-E to be stimulating. I actually find that I just want to chill as I'm adjusting during the comeup. In comparison, 2C-I is very stimulating but is not very psychedelic. Awesome visuals, but your thoughts are pretty much sober. 2C-E on the other hand is not stimulating IME, but is a deep and introspective psychedelic, in the same league as LSD. Almost =D

As 2C-E's creator put..."difficult, but worthwhile". Also one of the legendary "magical half-dozen", although Shulgin doesn't speak for everyone.


Someone who has done both 2C-E and 2C-P pipe up and lt me know how wrong I am!
 
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I'm enjoying all your answers, to answer some, I'm looking for something euphoric and energecic because it's how I like to feel. however, I'm also looking for a deep trip, as I am an intellectual and I very much enjoy thinking. Yeah, the 2c-p margin of safety scares me just a little though, the 2c-e is much better.
 
shulgin has commented on the 16mg "overdose" of 2c-p, the person who took it relived a natural disaster so it has a larger margin of safety(intensity wise) than once thought..though not by much, the largest dose of 2c-p i have taken is 22mg(orally) and it was incredibly intense, close to the intensity (almost equal if it had consistent oob's) of ~13mg-17mgs 2c-e insufflated

here's some basics, i'd add more if my hands weren't frozen :)

the visuals are about equal(depending on dosages obviously) with each other in intensity although they're very different, 2c-p is much more euphoric, 2c-e is more stimulating and you can get extremely sedated on 2c-p but for only short periods of time. 2c-p has more of a mindfuck imo and can sometimes get extremely confusing
 
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nearjat, I head about that stuff, known as "tripstacy" but I really know nothing about it... mind telling me a little about it from personal experience? assuming you have some
 
Thank you hunuh, I know. this thread has multiple purposes, which have been fulfilled (thank you to those who helped fulfill it)
 
I haven't done 2C-P but I found 2C-E to be very visual, very energetic, very euphoric, but there was little mindfuck, in terms of the mental aspect of it, it is quite analytical and creative, but not so otherworldy.
 
My favorite dose of 2c-e is 50-60 miligrams (at this point I see fully 3d spirals rotating out of my walls like huge wine openers). Not to mention that I pretty much see a Soviet Red Square parade when I close my eyes.....
What kind of dose of 2c-p would I need to take to cause this type of effect?
 
Again, if your not set on 2c's I'd reccomend 4-aco-DMT, as it fits all that and more :)
Also, I've sent you a PM
 
Delsyd said:
that is a rediculously high dose of 2c-e.

for 2c-p i would start low (10mg) and up your dose on successive trips till you find your sweet spot.
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It gets really crazy when I huff ether on 2c-e, and smoke a joint. At the 50 milligram range I did not really want to be around people at all. I have also tried 30 milligrams or so rectally, then during the peak I smoked a joint and huffed ether afterwords, the only thought I had going through my head was HOLY FUCKING SHIT I FEEL SO GOD DAMN AWESOME FUCK MY LIFE WAS WORTH IT IF IT WAS ONLY TO GET HERE... (this was in the comfort of my house)

However, when I tried 30mg orally with a joint and ether in central park, it did not go smoothly. I don't know if this makes sense, but I seemed to have forgotten who I was.. like I could barely remember where I was from.. I thought that I had gotten lost and followed someone else rather then my friend, I kept asking him if he was still there. I threw an apple he gave me and started crying. It just goes to show that your environment is key while tripping, being in the middle of a unfamiliar city can be pretty unnerving.

I want to buy some 2c-p sometime soon, but you know how the economy is :(
 
10mg of 2c-p is too much for your first time. start with 6-8mg, somewhere in there. i know that seems like a "steep dose response curve," but the ratios really are the same as with 2c-e... you're just working on a different scale.

in my experience, 2c-p > 2c-e... 2c-p wasn't as energetic, but i like the headspace a lot more. 2c-p was actually a pretty comfortable drug to me.

too many people put down 2c-p without even trying it. look through this thread, everyone that actually has tried it says good things about it.

2c-e has better open eye visuals, 2c-p better closed... 2c-p was more euphoric to me, and also more mindfucking.

but, as always.... your mileage may vary.
 
The number one thing I would ever want to get before going anywhere near 2c-p would be a scale that can measure to the 100ug level. Always to be safe with one extra digit so you don't get it wrong.
 
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