Britain 'floundering' in online mephedrone crackdown

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[size=+1]Britain 'floundering' in online mephedrone crackdown[/size]
By Anna Adams
Interactive reporter, BBC News


The government's chief drugs adviser says the UK is "floundering" in its attempts to control the online mephedrone market.

A BBC investigation has found that the illegal drug is still widely sold through websites despite the ban.

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs also said many new legal highs had flooded the market since mephedrone and naphyrone were banned this year.

Chairman Professor Les Iverson said it was difficult for these to be policed.

Naphyrone, which is sold as NRG1, was legal until being reclassified as a Class B drug after research from the ACMD showed it could be 10 times more potent than cocaine.

Responding to the BBC investigation into the online mephedrone trade, Professor Iverson said: "At the moment we're floundering. We haven't got adequate mechanisms to combat the internet crime. And it is internet crime if you're selling a banned substance."

Experts say it is now impossible to know what you are taking because as soon as one compound is outlawed, another slightly different one takes its place.

The ACMD has suggested a blanket ban on all chemicals similar to mephedrone and naphyrone.

He said: "I don't want to get to a situation where I have to go to the home secretary every month and ask for something else to be banned.

"It's a new highly profitable industry. It's a game between the chemical manufacturers who are obviously quite smart chemists, internet dealers and the law."

Critics say banning a substance could cause bigger problems.

Michael Linnell, from the drugs charity Lifeline said: "What we're in danger of is that nobody knows what the law is. You can't just ban your way out of a problem because it could result in far more dangerous chemicals coming onto the market.

"We're now in a situation where people are snorting white powder and they have no idea what it is and the people selling it don't know what it is either."

Most of the legal highs are manufactured in China and imported to the UK where they are sold as "research chemicals" or plant food. Dealers are able to get round the law by making sure they state substances are not for human consumption.

Experts say MDAI, a synthetic chemical that replicates the effects of ecstasy, will be the next legal high to take off.

In the investigation the BBC bought samples online and had them analysed by Dr John Ramsay, a toxicologist from St George's, University of London.

The samples did not contain MDAI, and were an unknown chemical that his team had never seen before.

He said: "This is now becoming very typical. Few of these chemicals are actually what they say they are and many also contain Class B drugs. So not only is there a health risk but you could also inadvertently be breaking the law.

"People need to realise these are chemicals and not drugs. They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences.

"In the short term you could get heart palpitations or even vascular collapse but there is also a risk that in years to come we could discover these have even caused birth defects. That's how dangerous they could be."

While the chemists are still one step ahead of the law, the challenge for the government is how to ban something when you don't know what it is.

A Home Office spokesperson said: "We need a new approach with our drug laws to move faster to protect the public. This is why we are introducing a system of temporary bans on new 'legal highs'. With the new temporary banning system, UK legislation will provide a robust model."


Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10664537
 
I am struggling to collate my many thoughts about this into a meaningful post… but all I can say is this mess is caused by one man - Alan Johnson. The UK's drug policy was a shambles before he came on the scene, but now it's just a total abomination of a law. It's a joke.

All of Labour's Home Secretaries fucked up the drug laws and now the coalition Government will finish them off. Complete wankers, the lot of them.
 
"People need to realise these are chemicals and not drugs. They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences."

And paracetamol isn't? Marinol? ASPIRIN?

Fucking idiots.

Things like this are really starting to boil my piss.
 
"People need to realise these are chemicals and not drugs. They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences."

And paracetamol isn't? Marinol? ASPIRIN?

Fucking idiots.

Things like this are really starting to boil my piss.

paracetamol, marinol and aspirin have been tested for human use and we have an idea of the health consequences though.
 
so reading between the lines:
  • meph dealers are still getting away will selling unused stock (likely by mislabelling it or mixing it in with other crap)
  • thanks to meph the U.K. is getting harder on drug laws
quick ban is acceptible but an analogue-vagueness law would be an awful hangover of meph-madness

current major concerns:
  • cant find any REAL legit RC dealers recently (vendors seem to think it acceptible to sell shit labelled as crap-1, crap-2)
  • any poor sole / old biddy actually wanting PLANT FOOD wont be able to get past the string of adverts for crap-1, crap-2
  • 6-APB has been the NEXT BIG THING for so long that it WILL BE BANNED before it's ever released
 
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"People need to realise these are chemicals and not drugs. They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences."

And paracetamol isn't? Marinol? ASPIRIN?

Fucking idiots.

Things like this are really starting to boil my piss.

That boiling piss may be a result of one of these newer chemicals. Might want to get that checked out.

I would be pretty worried if I was getting high on something where I didn't know what it was and where the chemical hasn't been tested on humans before. I get pretty nervous taking things like E and other pills where I don't know is what's in it, but at least they're usually made up of chemicals where the effects are already known.
 
It really is a sad, sad situation. Right now we have about the worst situation we could. We have pills and powders of all descriptions being sold with no quality control and no idea of what's in them. And it is different to manufactured pharms which have had some testing (although obviously problems still occur).

Yet we have several substances (LSD, MDMA and Mushrooms) with fewer harms (in comparison to other substances and possibly Meph), that are well researched and well known and are unfortunately banned and likely to stay that way. Maybe one day it'll all change...
 
Yet we have several substances (LSD, MDMA and Mushrooms) with fewer harms (in comparison to other substances and possibly Meph), that are well researched and well known and are unfortunately banned and likely to stay that way. Maybe one day it'll all change...

The thing is that they use those substances (shrooms, MDMA, LSD, etc.) as a kind of benchmark to ban the newer things.

For example, drug X is 'stronger' than cocaine, so must be 'worse', therefor it gets banned. We have seen it recently when meph and NRG1 got banned. Meph was banned because it was 'similar' to amphetamine (which was already illegal) and then NRG1 was banned because it was 'similar' to meph… see where I am going?

As you said, it's a sad, sad situation… one that reminds me of the Star Wars quote, "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers" :)
 
paracetamol, marinol and aspirin have been tested for human use and we have an idea of the health consequences though.

Good point, but going by the current Government logic, those chemicals should have been banned straight away and never actually researched to find out the health consequences… ;)
 
The war on drugs is literally; it's psychoactive, and it's not tobacco or alcohol - which have proven time and time again to be fatal to millions of people, therefore we must make it illegal possibly meaning prison sentences ruining people's lives.

Eugh things like this piss me off.
 
The war on drugs is literally; it's psychoactive, and it's not tobacco or alcohol - which have proven time and time again to be fatal to millions of people, therefore we must make it illegal possibly meaning prison sentences ruining people's lives.

Eugh things like this piss me off.

Caffeine is psychoactive though… ;)
 
"They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences."

"In the short term you could get heart palpitations or even vascular collapse but there is also a risk that in years to come we could discover these have even caused birth defects. That's how dangerous they could be."

erm… slight contradiction there.

…and won't someone think of the (unborn) children!
 
Can someone please contact "Dr John Ramsay, a toxicologist from St George's, University of London." and get the full result of his MDAI tests.

in the interests of harm reduction it would be good.
 
Remember when some nutter in the public gallery of the Houses of Parliament threw that johnny at Tony Blair and it exploded into purple powder and showered the government benches?

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Well, someone needs to do that again but with a highly potent psychoactive compound.

Either that or C4.

I don't care which.
 
To put it bluntly, it all looks bleak as fuck. I caught the BBC 'Interactive Anna' (who's probably just crowbarred her way up from some provincial station) report when it surfaced on the Today prog. Almost broke my teeth on my first pipe of the morning. It smacked of a near-tabloid style of reporting, though, that's been present in the BBC (concerning RCs), ever since the Scunthorpe debacle set the whole machinery in motion. I agree with you, 7zark7, re; Alan Johnson. That particular tart was merely concerned with keeping his arse in office, sod the consequences. And in fact the whole issue seems fuelled by ambition; witness Scunthorpe's chief of coppery's grave pronouncements to a drooling press. That alone was reminiscent of the days of 'God's Holy Copper', Anderton, and the writing was on the wall, espec. as the true post mortem reports were all but suppressed.
The police, bless 'em, can't get their heads around any move away from treating all drug use as evil deviance. Besides, dynamically crashing in to " 'einous known drug dens" with battering rams and riot gear is not an easy high to quit (specially now it's frequently televised), so any move that might be made towards relaxing drug laws grates. Suggestions of a reasonable, measured kind, say those of Prof. Nutt, sound too revolutionary (man's loopy, clearly ah, some sort of Timothy Leary wallah). So instead we have the dependable Iverson, who's a dansette and half of shandy sort of man. In his latest quote, he demonstrates again his stoat-like ability to very carefully say just what he thinks his masters wish to hear, and you can decypher from what he, and 'A Home Office Spokesperson' have said, that we're heading towards a US style Ban-It-and-Book-'Em policy over everything. [Phoo, I'm heading towards a narcotics-induced rant.. Yes, officer, I am one of those twisted rabied bastards]
I mean, face it, if a supposedly slightly left-of-Ultra-Right, Wee-Free gov. go along with gobshite Johnson banning Meph (thus sparking the present chaos with the RCs scene), you can hardly expect the True Spawn of Thatch & their Faggs to take a sensible, liberal approach (ie. decriminalisation, regulation and control in respect of quality/integrity of product). If it's a choice between keeping Conservative Club England sweet (hurling recreational drug use even further into the underworld domain), and doing something decent and positive, I doubt even the tax revenue they'd gain would sway them.
 
haha! Good rant Mr McConkie! :)

re: The Coppers - they love us druggies. We are generally nice, non-violent, peaceful people - and that makes us easily arrestable. The police do not give a toss what an arrest is for or whether it actually makes any difference to the safety of the public or society in general. An arrest is an arrest and it just looks good for the numbers…

We're a great cash generator for them too. Police commissioners says "oooh, we need more money! We've got druggies in our district." And they get more money to help fatten their pension…
 
"People need to realise these are chemicals and not drugs. They've not been tried or tested for human use in any way and nobody has any idea of the health consequences."

And paracetamol isn't? Marinol? ASPIRIN?

Fucking idiots.

Things like this are really starting to boil my piss.

First thing I thought... :|
A drug is a drug is a drug. Just because it's not been tested doesn't mean it's not a drug.
Oh, unless it's a drink - because then it's not a drug, it's a drink ;) 8)
 
Thing is these day's pills are probably just as dangerous as RC's or worse
because 99% of pills are not pills but pips and god knows what else,
not only pills too because the quality of coke & speed has also gone downhill
over the years with people cutting it to fuck with god knows what,
 
First thing I thought... :|
A drug is a drug is a drug. Just because it's not been tested doesn't mean it's not a drug.
Oh, unless it's a drink - because then it's not a drug, it's a drink ;) 8)

I understand what you are getting at, but as far as i am aware, there is no strict definition of a drug. It used to just mean medicine, but that's no longer true…
 
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