Winstrol and sesidon 250 for me

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rmc217

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hey im starting an 6 week (injection) cycle. starting with ses for 4 weeks and adding wini for the rest.

Im 6'2" 225-230 Lbs

what should my diet consist of ? morning to night

Ps, im looking to slim down with my diet. :)
 
how old are you? what is your cycle history? what is your bf%? and wth is sesidon?

If by sesidon you mean sustanon then you have to run it longer. If not I have never heard of it and can't find any information on anything called sesidon.

As for your diet, do some research. If you can do AAS then you are grown enough to do some research on your own. It's not that hard to find good diet information. Nobody should be spoon-feeding you information.
 
Again 6 weeks isn't really long enough for a injectable cycle unless your using a short acting ester like prop. I've never heard of sesidon- what is it?

Do you know about PCT (using anti estrogen drugs to combat sides once you finish your cycle)? Do you have PCT lined up?

If you don't know how to diet for losing weight then you shouldn't be running AAS. The only thing different from being off is you'd want a slightly higher protein intake. You can probably add a few more cals for a more recomp effect (building a bit of muscle whilst losing fat).
 
I am new to this steriod use, but I'm planning to start using winstrol v-100 I have a 14cc vial. I'm not new to IV'ng drugs, but steriods are IM. Is what I have enough to gain muscle mass with a high protien diet. I was also wondering if i'll get a rush from it?
 
newbie not! said:
I am new to this steriod use, but I'm planning to start using winstrol v-100 I have a 14cc vial. I'm not new to IV'ng drugs, but steriods are IM. Is what I have enough to gain muscle mass with a high protien diet. I was also wondering if i'll get a rush from it?
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Ha! You might get an adrenaline rush when injecting, it passes when you do it more frequently thought. A cycle needs test. injecting winny is pointless, it comes orally and its a LOT easier. 50mg ED for 5-6 weeks is usual dose.

Its a cutting steroid, so don't get your hopes up for gaining. All you'll get is dried out joints.
 
newbie not! said:
Thanks a lot! I really appericiate the info. Wht do I need to gain weight?
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Until you hit your bodys natural plateau, all you need is a good training routine and a good diet (and rest). If either of these are lacking, so will gains. A lot of people these days are turning to steroids WAY too soon. They are only benefitial if you put the work out and when you need an extra push once you plateau
 
newbie not! said:
Thanks a lot! I really appericiate the info. Wht do I need to gain weight?
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Food...you have to eat to grow...if you want to get bigger you need to eat a calorie surplus but make sure you are eating clean and not eating junk food and fast food

a good idea would be to start your own thread and list your stats, i.e. age, height, weight, bf%

slicemonkey said:
Until you hit your bodys natural plateau, all you need is a good training routine and a good diet (and rest). If either of these are lacking, so will gains. A lot of people these days are turning to steroids WAY too soon. They are only benefitial if you put the work out and when you need an extra push once you plateau
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slicemonkey said:
Ha! You might get an adrenaline rush when injecting, it passes when you do it more frequently thought. A cycle needs test. injecting winny is pointless, it comes orally and its a LOT easier. 50mg ED for 5-6 weeks is usual dose.

Its a cutting steroid, so don't get your hopes up for gaining. All you'll get is dried out joints.
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injecting winstrol is absolutely not pointless and the injectiblble version is actually better than the oral form in that the injectible version highly increases nitrogen retention...the problem is that it misses the first pass through the liver so it can stress the liver more than the oral form and it hurts like hell...also you need less of the injectible then you do the oral for the same results

dry joints is also a myth that has been passed around the internet and now considered fact, though there are no conclusive studies that show winstrol dries out joints and actually most show that it doesn't...many people do seem to suffer from the joint issues, but most times there is a pre-existing issue...think about it like this, winstrol is the most abused steroid among professional athletes and they would not use it if it was causing severe joint problems in most cases

also there is no such thing as a cutting steroid or bulking steroid...cutting or bulking is based off of diet and you can use any steroids you want for either goal as long as diet is geared for it
 
my take from most of the posts here is aside from a very select few, most are first timers here grabbing the first thing they can get their hands on to get 'jacked' or 'ripped' or whatever else is slapped in big letter on the bottle lol. And winny is certainly one of the more popular.
Now given that most guys here have little background knowledge (usually) about whats going on and have probably not injected before, an option between a few tabs a day, or a daily injection for 6 weeks should be a no brainer. Once the experience and understanding is there, things change of course.

I can't say I've researched into actual facts about winny 'drying' joints, buts its a personal condition and practically everyone I talk to mentions it as well. but there very well be no sound evidence for it.



As for cutting vs bulking compounds....really??? You sounds like a well educated guy on this topic, and you really consider there no difference? I mean obviously it depends on diet and training, but if you were to eat and train exactly the same on a dec/test/dbol cycle as you would on a prop/tren/winny cycle, you're going to see a pretty significant difference. Hell even the ester makes a bit or a difference (typically prop/ace to cut and enth/cyp to bulk) just due to water retention. I do understand what youre saying however, and modifying diet will modify results, but when you ask for a bulking or cutting cycle, youre going to be given specific drugs for your choice.
 
slicemonkey said:
my take from most of the posts here is aside from a very select few, most are first timers here grabbing the first thing they can get their hands on to get 'jacked' or 'ripped' or whatever else is slapped in big letter on the bottle lol. And winny is certainly one of the more popular.
Now given that most guys here have little background knowledge (usually) about whats going on and have probably not injected before, an option between a few tabs a day, or a daily injection for 6 weeks should be a no brainer. Once the experience and understanding is there, things change of course.

I can't say I've researched into actual facts about winny 'drying' joints, buts its a personal condition and practically everyone I talk to mentions it as well. but there very well be no sound evidence for it.



As for cutting vs bulking compounds....really??? You sounds like a well educated guy on this topic, and you really consider there no difference? I mean obviously it depends on diet and training, but if you were to eat and train exactly the same on a dec/test/dbol cycle as you would on a prop/tren/winny cycle, you're going to see a pretty significant difference. Hell even the ester makes a bit or a difference (typically prop/ace to cut and enth/cyp to bulk) just due to water retention. I do understand what youre saying however, and modifying diet will modify results, but when you ask for a bulking or cutting cycle, youre going to be given specific drugs for your choice.
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I definitely don't disagree with you about guys grabbing the first thing they hear about and wanting to try it without putting in much effort, I was just saying that as far as winstrol is concerned inject is actually better to an extent than the oral form...though I would never tell anyone to jump on anything that would require ed/eod injects for a first or second cycle...one should always learn how to properly inject and become used to doing it properly through as few injections as possible to begin with, i.e. running compounds that require 2 injections per week

Now just because you ask for a bulker or cutter and certain AAS have been deemed a bulker or cutter compound, that doesn't mean that is all they can be used for, that just goes to show what has become the norm for it, whether it is completely true or not...kind of the same thing with the winstrol and dry joints, several people suffered dry joints while on winstrol so it must be the winstrol that caused it so the rumor ran rampant and became "internet fact"...now some compounds, like deca or dbol, have properties that are better suited for bulking than say winstrol or anavar, but that doesn't mean they can't be used to cut and that winstrol cant be used to bulk...I have some pro bodybuilder friends on another site that use deca and dbol in their cutting cycles and throw winstrol or var in on their bulkers, just goes to show that because something has become "the norm" doesn't make it the be all end all facts...tren is one of those compounds that doesn't really have a designation, it seems to have properties for putting on mass and burning fat, and tren and var are the only two that I will say have a direct effect on fat burning though there have been no conclusive studies that tren does

as for comparing cycles for bulking vs cutting, let me ask you this: would you eat and train exactly the same if you were doing a deca/dbol/test cycle vs prop/tren/winny, most likely not which is why the deca/dbol/test cycle has become the "bulking" stack and prop/tren/winny the "cutting" stack, however if you eat a calorie deficit to cut, no matter what AAS you use, you are going to lose fat and lean out if the diet and training are geared for that goal...same thing for "bulking" and eating a calorie surplus...AAS are nothing more than supplements and should be treated as such, they don't cause you to put fat on and none of them, besides tren or var, have a direct effect on fat burning, it all comes down to diet and training...Bloat is easy to control through increased water, more water in=more water out, decreased salt intake, and in many cases through the use of an AI for bloat associated with estrogen

I've ran more than 10 cycles and every one of them have always been Test/EQ with an oral kicker and finisher, though I've thrown tren in for my last two, one bulker and one cutter, and now every cycle I will run from here on out will always be Test/EQ/Tren with a tbol kicker and another oral finisher...the only thing I change is my diet based on my goal of either bulking or cutting...right now I'm getting ready for another bulker and I'm sitting at 5'8" 220 lbs and a true 8% bf...I'll probably bulk to about 250 and around 12%, but I will only change my diet not the compounds that I use
 
I like your thinking / explanations, very thorough and thought out. I still do agree with most of what your saying, just the lacking of initial depth or my contrasting personal experiences caused a WTF moment haha.

Good to have more guys out there like yourself that will help people from getting hurt rather than just regurgitating whats seen floating around the net regardless of fact
 
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