Q. Did You Ever Smoke Pot? A. It’s Complicated.

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By PERRI KLASS, M.D.
Published: July 12, 2010

Many years ago, when I was a resident in pediatrics, an adolescent patient asked me if I had ever smoked pot. It wasn’t a friendly question, more an oh-yeah-says-you response to my own inquiries, warning me off.

No patient has asked me that for decades. But recently, I have found myself in several all-pediatrician conversations about the topic.

Doctors, and the parents who look to them for advice, need a way to integrate their standards of honesty with what we know about preventing substance abuse — and with new research that makes it clear we know a lot more today than anyone did when we were young. (Which may help explain some of the dumb decisions made by so many of us, including me.)

In particular, scientists understand much more about the neurobiology of the teenage brain and the risks of experimenting with drugs and alcohol during adolescence. While we used to think the brain was relatively mature by 16 or 18, in fact it is still developing into the mid-20s.

What does develop early is the pleasure-seeking area, the nucleus accumbens. The regions that help with abstract thinking, decision-making and judgment are still maturing, and therefore less likely to inhibit the pleasure-seeking behavior. So drugs and alcohol can actually lead to permanent changes in the way the brain works — in particular, many experts think, a greater likelihood of addiction in adulthood.

But giving sage advice to the young has never been a simple task, and when a parent’s own history is brought up, it gets even more complicated.

There’s a moral question, for grown-ups who pride themselves on honesty and openness. There’s a fear that no matter how carefully you spell out the lesson of your own story, you may be offering your child an implicit lesson about the lack of consequences, a kind of I-did-it-and-I’m-fine parable.

And there’s a common parental anxiety about losing the moral high ground, a fear that someday this will be thrown back in your face. That can be especially troubling in more fraught situations, when children or parents (or both) are dealing with drug and alcohol problems.

“That comes up all the time when I’m counseling parents,” said Dr. Sharon Levy, director of the adolescent substance abuse program at Children’s Hospital Boston. “They say, ‘Well, what should I tell her — or not?’ ”The research on this point is limited. But there is evidence to suggest that when parents provide more information and better modeling early on, their children’s risk of substance abuse goes down. And a 2009 study by the Hazelden addiction treatment center in Minnesota found evidence that many teenagers believed that parental honesty about alcohol use was a positive influence.

Of course, every parent, every child and every situation is different, and there is no fixed rule that says parents and doctors need to offer any particular information about their drug or alcohol use, past or present.

Instead, it’s important to figure out “why are you asking, what’s going on around you?” said Dr. Janet F. Williams, professor of pediatrics at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio and head of the American Academy of Pediatrics’ committee on substance abuse.

“What you think they want to know may not be at all why they’re asking,” she said. And as with other important conversations, take account of the child’s developmental stage; you answer a question from a 12-year-old and a 22-year-old in different terms and in different detail.

You don’t need to tell everything. But if you decide to answer, don’t lie. “Tell them without glorifying it,” Dr. Levy said, “and if you think you made a mistake, tell them that too.”

In fact, a child who asks a parent this question may be worrying over how and when to bring it up. Don’t assume that the agonizing and the self-consciousness are all on your conflicted, guilty parental side.

Treat the question with respect, and use it, as the experts would say, to keep the conversation going. It may not be a question you particularly want to be asked, but it’s a larger conversation that as parents, we know we need to encourage. (Two useful Web sites are teens.drugabuse.gov, which has information geared to adolescents; and teen-safe.org, which offers advice on talking with teenagers.)

What about that familiar parental nightmare, the angry adolescent who reacts to discipline or reproof by turning it around on you with an accusation about your own transgressions? Deborah R. Simkin, a psychiatrist who is a liaison to Dr. Williams’s committee from the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, drew an analogy to an alcoholic who resists treatment by trying to bring up other people’s issues.

“The kid’s trying to divert the attention from an appropriate intervention by a parent,” she said. In such cases, the parent’s response should be clear: “We’re not going to discuss what I did, we’re going to discuss what you did.”

What we want to do as parents is transmit wisdom — even if we acquired it the hard way — without our children’s having to take risks. “So you drove without a seat belt and you didn’t die in a car accident, does that mean you want your kid driving without a seat belt?” Dr. Levy asked. Or as Dr. Williams put it:

“If the way it’s presented is, ‘This is risky, and I hope that you don’t have to touch the hot stove to find out you get burned,’ they don’t have to take the same chance.”

And finally, after all the cautions and the anxieties, it’s essential to come back to the positives — “always remembering to notice the good about your child,” Dr. Williams said.

After all, the most important message a parent can give is not about the mistakes that can derail a child, but about the joys of finding your way.

Tell your child, in Dr. Simkin’s words, that “I would prefer you to work on finding your passion, finding what in life you want to do” — and celebrate that potential.

And for that very reason, Dr. Williams said, “I would like them to have every brain cell they can have.”
 
Dr. Williams said, “I would like them to have every brain cell they can have.”

Fuck this piece of shit who calls herself a doctor.
 
We'll be on easy street when all the "bad" people" die and all the "good" people are parents capable of having conversation with their children about anything. EASY STREET!
 
that was from the NY times, wow. im sure i could dig up a much more interesting, and effective article on the subject. or write one myself haha,, on tha pot.

the last drug/alcohol counselor i had actually recommended medical pot... he has cancer though, and sees it as med ic ine, same with my pcp, lol and several other specialists aswell.

and, ive had a physician, while injecting me with dilauded and ativan every twenty minutes, tell me "mmj is just an excuse for people to get high."

fuck yeah the dilauded worked, but not for long, and, well you know the score with those little gems hah!

yes, i am prescribed opioids, but but but, there is pain that no opioid can touch, but marijuana abolishes, comparable to my $1200 every ten day injection, but i know the mmj is working, and i know its not highly carcinogenic.

oh la te dah.

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Tell your child, in Dr. Simkin’s words, that “I would prefer you to work on finding your passion, finding what in life you want to do” — and celebrate that potential.

What if your child's passion IS cannabis? My passion is cannabis, and if only we didn't live in an age of such ridiculous prohibition, I would be celebrating my passion to its very fullest potential.

Why is a Master of Wine a highly regarded member of society, perhaps the pinnacle of cultural excellence, yet someone that grows their own cannabis, experiments with their own strains, processes their own hashes is a highly sophisticated criminal? It's just terrible.

Dr. Williams said, “I would like them to have every brain cell they can have.”

Fuck this piece of shit who calls herself a doctor.

Too right. Are there really doctors out there that are still claiming merit from those ridiculous inhumane animal experiments?

Lycaeum said:
Myth: Pot kills brain cells

Government experts now admit that pot doesn't kill brain cells.(8 ) This myth came from a handful of animal experiments in which structural changes (not actual cell death, as is often alleged) were observed in brain cells of animals exposed to high doses of pot. Many critics still cite the notorious monkey studies of Dr. Robert G. Heath, which purported to find brain damage in three monkeys that had been heavily dosed with cannabis.(9) This work was never replicated and has since been discredited by a pair of better controlled, much larger monkey studies, one by Dr. William Slikker of the National Center for Toxicological Research(10) and the other by Charles Rebert and Gordon Pryor of SRI International.(11) Neither found any evidence of physical alteration in the brains of monkeys exposed to daily doses of pot for up to a year. Human studies of heavy users in Jamaica and Costa Rica found no evidence of abnormalities in brain physiology.(12) Even though there is no evidence that pot causes permanent brain damage, users should be aware that persistent deficits in short-term memory have been noted in chronic, heavy marijuana smokers after 6 to 12 weeks of abstinence.(13) It is worth noting that other drugs, including alcohol, are known to cause brain damage.
 
Tell your child, in Dr. Simkin’s words, that “I would prefer you to work on finding your passion, finding what in life you want to do” — and celebrate that potential.

What if your child's passion IS cannabis? My passion is cannabis, and if only we didn't live in an age of such ridiculous prohibition, I would be celebrating my passion to its very fullest potential.

Why is a Master of Wine a highly regarded member of society, perhaps the pinnacle of cultural excellence, yet someone that grows their own cannabis, experiments with their own strains, processes their own hashes is a highly sophisticated criminal? It's just terrible.



Too right. Are there really doctors out there that are still claiming merit from those ridiculous inhumane animal experiments?


Nice post!
I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate- what if your child's passion is murder? Child pornography? Alcohol?

It is easy to say that some "passions" (hobbies/interests) such as murder hurt other people, and others don't, but that leaves questions such as:

How can we separate addiction and passion?

I would MUCH rather my kids have a passion for cannabis than for alcohol, personally, but how can I argue with someone who has the opposite opinion?



In any case, it IS ridiculous that someone who loves wine is celebrated, but someone who loves cannabis is an outcast ( at least in mainstream society).
 
but, it really, does, work...

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absolutely, i know a fair amount about vitaculture and enology, also wine in general. i also know a fair amount about marijuana horticulture, and horticulture in general.

people dont realize the enormous effort that is put into creating a balanced, effective, stable marijuana hybrid, the cross and seed is created, then sent to holland to be perfected, this takes years, and thousands of clones to wade through before the geneticist/breeder is confident for its release into competitions/evaluations, and then sent to medicinal clinics or coffee shops.

and now many landrace, ancient herbs are being, or have been weeded out and are extinct. as growers, one of our key concerns should be the conservation of the, medicinal, and uniquely so plants, & the desecration or more importantly debunking such shit.

im 110% for creative, learned, open minded children. its bad though how closed we can become, education should spark thought, interest, and lots of questions. not accepting a hand on the shoulder and individual point of view.


BackCross!
 
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You know now that I am on a countdown to December/January til Ima be a mama, I been thinkin about this type ish alot more now. and I thought damn, do i ever want my baby to know "mom AND dad were BOTH IV HEROIN ADDICTS for a few years before they got clean and had you?"

Shit, nevermind about no WEED. My kid can smoke all the weed he/she want once they are old enough, but the real questions I got is about how a kid can end up with a genetic type of thing makin em more likely to become a addict themself....And I cant help but think oh god, if that wouldnt be the worst punishment god could send me for everything I did to my mother thru my addiction, I dont know wat is.

But I think its important for them to know....My youngest sister seen me thru all this shit, the drugs and addiction and all that. And u know wat she did. once she realized I was a straight up bona fide dopehead, she started cuttin out all her friends, kids who even smoked weed or popped a percocet once in a while...and only fucked with kids who didnt mess with drugs on the regular....she wanted to be so far removed from heroin that she didnt even wanted tobe around NO drugs at all, even if it was only a friend doin it and not her....I aint got to be afriad she will ever turn out like me becuz she seen how it was for me. and i noticed that usualy the younger brothers and sisters of known , obvious addicts, either get into it and become addicts too, or they end up mad against drugs, and do that whole "My SISTER was a heroin addict!" thing that makes them totally against it.

So if it will keep her off drugs then knowing all the shit i went thru was worth somethin u know? But its different when its your kid, too.....mad questions.....

But this article tho, just for the record since i was more postin about the questions it bring up instead of the actual article--the article is straight bull. Great resources, the US goverment anti drug pages, yea those are some great places to learn how to talk to your kids, real hip 8) youll totally get the respect u deserve from ur kids by quoting shit off the Above the Influence ads and other goverment programs like that...
 
I'd tell if a.) it was asked, b.) I saw signs that led me to believe it would be helpful to know, or c.)they're mature enough to understand. So yeah, they'd end up knowing; it's just a matter of when.
 
The problem, I find, is that they will undergo the typical brainwashing/propaganda machine, and at some point could likely turn me in!
When I talk about it with my kids one day, I will probably do like my own parents did with me, and simplify things (only cannabis), and use the past tense...
...at least until they are old enough to know the truth.
 
I think that if i knew my parents smoked or did drugs from an early age I would probably be put off because children naturally rebel from their parents

and if they did end up smoking a J every now and then it would bring them closer to their folks
 
I like the analogy of the wine taster and cannabis enthusiast. I do believe we have to take in account that there probably are quite a few highly esteemed cannabis enthusiasts. Also, there is a not-so-subtle difference between the two: a wine taster is not to get wasted on his DOC (in a professional sense at least) for obvious reasons, drunk is drunk right? A cannabis connoisseur would have to get hiiiiigh since all weed is different. So although weed is quite harmless compared to alcohol it is required to smoke quite a lot to get a sense of the full effects.


Okay I'm done :)
 
As a child i was exposed to drugs in my teen years, mostly pot, but never felt the need or want to experiment. I had other hobbies, and avidly enganged in them since i was fairly young - 5 years old? It wasnt until i graduated from university that i started seeing the recreational side of them. I had many hobbies which consumed my life when i was young. Played basketball everyday, soccer & fishing on weekends, wildlife, online gaming during my highschool years, skating, modified cars... Lots of hobbies which didnt seem much at the time, but looking back almost manifest themselves as unhealthy addictions that cost me alot of money and distracted me from 'life', whatever that may have been... But i converted my hobby of gaming into a career in IT which has set me up for life - i met people through it who i would ultimately leave university and work for.

I guess what im trying to say is somewhat two fold; if your child doesnt have enough hobbies/interests/goals from a really early age, they are going to be influenced alot more in there teen years from things and experiences that create emotions that, as a human being, have been longing for, but dont regularily experiences. I think teen years are simply an expression of the last 10 years of your parenting. Along with this, if drugs could lead to a career, and lets face it there are plenty of alcohol and tobacco related careers, then they wouldnt such a 'waste of time' for a teen to engage in. Its another problem that is born out of prohibition. "As a government, we have decreeded that all jobs that involve recreational drugs are not a valid way of making a living, and thus we are outlawing the practice".
 
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