Therapist gave patients acid, ecstasy

LSDMDMA&8555365 said:
bardo...you know they never prescribe desoxyn, especially to 5 year olds. maybe amphetamine but not meth.
where did this dude get said drugs from? did he use like street e's and stuff?

I have a strong feeling he may have a like minded chemist friend. I'm 100% certain he wasn't distributing street pills, each persons dose was probably fine tuned for them. This guy knew what he was doing. The world needs more modern shamans.
 
We need more therapists like this guy around. Much more efficient way of treating patients than prescribing a shitload of largely ineffective prescription meds with far too many negative sideeffects. You want to cure yourself of depression? Take to some fungi.
 
The world needs more modern shamans.

I wonder if he really was a "shaman"?
He seemed to engage in psychedelic therapy sessions from the perspective of clinical therapy, rather than spiritual awakening, so I would be hesitant to call him a shaman (if this is correct).
To me, there is a huge difference between a shaman and a psychedelic therapist.
 
I strongly, wholeheartedly agree with this. That statement would've fit alot better with this if the therapist utilized ayahuasca in his sessions instead, though.

I'd say it's more about how it's used than which drug/s. I agree with slimvictor, from this article it doesn't really sound like he's a shaman. Could be though. Doing good work either way ;)
 
Unless the therapist occasionally utilized entheogens in conjunction with meditative states and traveled along various levels of consciousness/the astral with ease, accessing the unitive, supreme knowledge of the universal mind, channeling this knowledge through him to positively affect our current reality, then I don't think he falls under the label of Shaman. An advocate for the benefits gained through psychedelics, he may be however.
 
I'm pretty sure that any psychologist/psychotherapist who can successfully use a psychedelic in a therapy session (not necessarily MDMA, but certainly LSD and psilocybin) needs to have a sense for what "unitive/mystical/spiritual/cosmic consciousness" means and what it's like to experience it, and why it's important and how it can be integrated into an otherwise normal human life, or else they will simply not be able to help people by offering this experience to them in the form of drugs.

So I definitely think the distinction is a little blurry, if you consider "shaman" to be a meaningful term outside of an indigenous cultural context.

The problem is, I don't know if the term "shaman" IS meaningful outside of an indigenous cultural context. "Shamans" only really exist in indigenous cultures because our culture HAS NO shamanic tradition. We're picking the idea up and running with it just in the past 40-50 years or so. That's why we always have to use the term "modern" or something like it when we describe "shamans" who have Western backgrounds.

If you argue that a true "shaman" cannot exist without a cultural context that supports them with a shamanic tradition, initiation rituals, etc., then there is no such thing as a "modern-day shaman."

However, there is a FURTHER distinction between "psychedelic therapists" who have a purely "scientific" approach to their practice, and "psychedelic therapists" who make a clear attempt to integrate spiritual concepts MUCH older than Western psychiatric medicine into their practice. There is nothing "scientific" about encouraging a patient to engage with "cosmic consciousness" or "unity with the Godhead" and basing the therapy around that experience, and it is perfectly possible for a psychedelic researcher to write a complete paper about their research without using any of that language. Yet, it seems to me, at least, that psychedelic therapy that does not attempt to engage with ancient spiritual concepts (unity with the Godhead, etc.) is only going to have success in spite of this deficiency, and that psychedelic therapy that DOES engage with these concepts will be more likely to be successful as a direct result.

Personally I don't like using the term "shaman" unless I'm talking about someone who was specifically initiated into a very old and continuous indigenous shamanic tradition by someone who was similarly initiated earlier in their life. There are very few, if any, white people who I'd consider to be true "shamans" (this is not to denigrate those who have devoted their life to studying shamanism ... but there is a difference between a student of shamanism and a shaman).

A person like Dr. Stanislav Grof, who has become such an extensive expert on psychedelic psychotherapy that he invented a new way of doing it without psychedelics (holotropic breathwork), is a good example of someone who I'd be tempted to call a "modern shaman," but he is very much an exception to the rule.
 
^well that is a just plain sexy post right there. Very well put

I've always seen shamans as the psychiatrists of the group. That's how it's been in my mind, but probably as a result of learning from here (my world) to there (that of others) and integrating.

I also draw a strong connection between mind and spirit, problems with either will infect the other. You have to understand both to be truly successful in dealing with either one.
 
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With all due respect, a psychotherapist has no right to be distributing drugs to patients. A psychiatrist is an M.D. who has a medical degree and is licensed to write prescriptions. But neither a psychologist or a psychotherapist can give you drugs unless they are also an M.D.
 
^ Nobody has the legal right to distribute drugs such as MDMA and LSD to people (with very, very few exceptions).
That is the problem here, I would say.
These chemicals can be extremely useful healing tools, but they are illegal for various political reasons.

Meanwhile, the people suffer...
 
great to see someone trying to use these substances for a greator cause! a big fuck you to the laws! yee haa
 
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