No More PillThrill!

I'm barely mustering the strength to write this.
Today was bad. Tony and I argued. He said that hiding it was a horrible idea cause I was always acting "stupid and annoying" and without telling him I was on Tramadol I had no excuse. He says I need to quit feeling sorry for myself and that I disappoint him....
I flushed the rest of the Tram today.
Its just so much to handle and he seems to lack all compassion.
Forcing me up, getting mad when I complain that I hurt or am tired.
I'm trying to reset sleep.
Find a job.
Quit Tramadol (cold turkey) and weed too apparently. He isn't letting me have that either, not even to take the edge off not having the tram.
With weed, I could quit all my psych meds and didn't need the benzos now I don't have it and things are even worse.
I feel so so so depressed, suicidal, want to self injure and all he is doing is telling me that I need to be doing my homework.
I just hurt and want to lay in bed and cry and all that gets me is telling me what a disappointment I am. I'm at a loss.
I wanna stop writing before I start crying again. I don't know how I'm supposed to concentrate on anything like this. I feel like I'm right back into "old PT", perhaps thats all I really am at the core... there I go feeling sorry for myself...
I don't know why he is being so awful, perhaps he doesn't understand or more likely he is mad.
I really hope the damage isn't repairable but he certainly acts like it is...
 
I support you (sincerely). I'm just trying to black it out at the moment.

I feel ill without the bz and this is true.

Just trying to have a laugh in the lounge, its the only thing that keeps me going.

Verry witty !!! (tho you may not appreciate this if what you describe is true)

Regards.
 
I'm sure he means well and cares about your safety, but he just isn't educated about how people taper/get clean successfully. With some support from him, he could make this so much easier and conquerable. But in contrast, the pressure he's putting on you now is just hindering your progress.

The way you're having to go through this taper is very unrealistic and possibly unsafe. I mean, first off, one drug at a time, especially if you're coming off something as psychologically powerful as opiates.

And Tramadol has such a powerful SSRI component that the depression aspects of getting clean are greatly magnified. You need comfort meds (including OTC/Rx sleep aids, benzos, clonidine, weed), chamomile tea, healthy food, and exercise to get your brain producing its own endorphins. And most of all, you need support.

I really know how you feel right now. I haven't tapered off Trams, but I've tapered off several powerful opiates and I bet you feel desperately depressed, suicidal even, and utterly without energy. Not the best condition in which to have a calm, logical conversation with him about how people succeed in getting clean.

Do you think he would be open to reading up on it on BL? He can learn about opiate dependence and withdrawal, particularly Tram. You know that there are some excellent guides to tapering and w/d on this site. After he reads up a bit, then you could have a conversation in which you both PLAN this taper.

He could really help make this taper successful. This is an incredible effort you're tackling and trying to do it alone, or in the face of criticism and stress is just not going to work out. I really admire your strength in facing this and you've done such a good job already. I hope that once he becomes more educated about what you're facing, he'll realize that small efforts on his part will make this w/d successful.

Good luck! We're rooting for you. This is a huge battle and once you've won it, you will feel so much stronger and happier. But it will take time and compassion. Love yourself and let the mental demons of withdrawal pass through your mind without taking them seriously. They're just a chemical-based symptom of withdrawal like nausea, lethargy and RLS.
 
He is against anything but Tylenol and caffeine ( to make me get out of bed) ad believe BL is full of BS.

I'm just trying to hold strong. But feeling very unloved. He is angry and its best to avoid him and keep my mouth shut. I feel like I want to run away but there is no one where to run and the look in is eyes is of disgust rather than compassion... not something I've seen before. And it cuts my VERY core....

I'm having a really hard time expressing myself in anyway, especially without tears...
Music has always been able to say what I can't.
So, if you don't mind or are interested, here are a few song by my favorite band that covers it all pretty well...

http://vodpod.com/watch/3509049-shinedown-shed-some-light
http://www.playlist.com/playlist/additem/663801105
Put those 2 together and you'll get it.

Sorry I feel the need to do it that way, but there are no words anymore...
 
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I'd try to obtain some loperamide, melatonin(OTC sleep-aid) and some ibuprofen(i know advil is a joke but it helps a little) and maybe some valerian root. Eating a A-Z multivitamin couldn't hurt either./QUOTE] this, especially the immodium/loperamide for the diarhea and the ibuprofen for the achy muscles, back, restless legs, achy legs etc

Find a job.
Quit Tramadol (cold turkey) and weed too apparently. He isn't letting me have that either, not even to take the edge off not having the tram.
With weed, I could quit all my psych meds and didn't need the benzos now I don't have it and things are even worse.
I feel so so so depressed, suicidal, want to self injure and all he is doing is telling me that I need to be doing my homework.

how is this guy not letting you have weed? just go out and get stoned with your friends.. find a guy who gets stoned and get stoned with him and fuck him, that'l take the edge off, no, all kidding aside, dont let some guy stop you from doing what you want to do, , tell him you need pot to quit the trams and it helps with your psyche meds and conditions, cannabis does have proven medical benefits and has few harmful side effects if any.. esp compared to tramadol and most psyche meds
 
He is against anything but Tylenol and caffeine ( to make me get out of bed) ad believe BL is full of BS.

I'm just trying to hold strong. But feeling very unloved. He is angry and its best to avoid him and keep my mouth shut. I feel like I want to run away but there is no one where to run and the look in is eyes is of disgust rather than compassion... not something I've seen before. And it cuts my VERY core....

I'm having a really hard time expressing myself in anyway, especially without tears...
Music has always been able to say what I can't.
So, if you don't mind or are interested, here are a few song by my favorite band that covers it all pretty well...

http://vodpod.com/watch/3509049-shinedown-shed-some-light
http://www.playlist.com/playlist/additem/663801105
Put those 2 together and you'll get it.

Sorry I feel the need to do it that way, but there are no words anymore...

OK I have to say this because its bothering me.

WHO CARES wtf he thinks about you? I'm dead serious. My own brother use to have a VERY condescending attitude towards me back when he knew I was using. And it went on and on and on where I was living in his house, he was paying rent, and just because I was on drugs and didn't have a job, I thought he had the right to talk to me like a dirtbag.

It was the BIGGEST MISTAKE I could have ever made.
And it angered me for years.
Well years passed by, my brother thinks I got clean. But still when he sees little odd aspects of my behavoir (like sleeping late) he becomes accusatory and it starts slipping back into that same dynamic you have going with your bf.

Have you ever considered your bf may be the reason you're getting high?
Have you ever considered how much crap you're tolerating because you are codependent on this man and essentially his waste basket for anger?

The ONLY reason he is doing it is because you TOLERATE it.
I'm not saying go punch him in the face and move out, but if you did I'd have too much respect for you. His attitude genuinely seems 100xs worse to me then your drug addiction.

In fact, theres a lot of things I can tolerate being in this world. I can tolerate being a drug addict, but I CAN NOT tolerate being a cold hearted asshole. If I had to pick between being a straight dick, or being addicted to opiates for the rest of my life but having respect for people, I'd pick the latter in a heart beat.

My brother called about a week ago at 11am and I was sleeping. His message basically said "bro where are you? You couldn't possibly be sleeping... you are such a loser". So he assumed I was sleeping, and then he called me a loser because he thought I was asleep. WTF. It wasn't that big a deal, but it was his tone of voice that made me lose it. Full of arrogance and anger.
I called that mfkr back and told him if he ever calls my house again with that attitude I will murder his fucking dog. That was the first time I ever stood up to him, and he actually asked "whats wrong?" When I told him he tried to apologize, but I wasn't having it because he was too nonchalant about it, and didn't sound sincere at all. But thats still irrelevant, whats relevant is he will NEVER call my house again with that kind of attitude, and I got such an ego boost feeling like I finally stood up for myself and had RESPECT for myself. Whats even weirder is I was in the process of tapering and had this little extra bit of confidence that day that I normally wouldn't have.

If I wasn't trying to get clean, theres about a 100% chance I would have ate that crap up and went to get high.

My point is you owe it to yourself to start taking a stand for YOU. WHO CARES if he only believes in tylenol and caffiene? Is he your daddy? Are you 6 years old again? Are you afraid of him kicking you out and not having a place to stay?

Cause it almost seems at this point like you'd be better off living in the street away from this guy, rather then having a roof over your head and allowing him to treat you like dirt.
PLEASE stop tolerating this crap. The last thing you need in this delicate position you are in is someone consistently giving you shit, someone pushing every single one of your buttons, and how the hell do you plan on ever getting clean living with a douchebag like that? I'm sorry I called your bf a douchebag but the way you've explained him there is nothing else he can possibly be in this world.

How about instead of him being angry at you and you avoiding him, you get angry at him? Because it sounds like thats the way it should be right now. Even if you've been playing the submissive role you can straighten his ass out in one day, all you need to do is stand up for yourself.

I mean what are you willing to sacrifice just to have a place to live? You have no self esteem (how can you living with someone like that?) no respect from your partner, he doesn't even sound the leastest bit supportive of you. I just can't stand hearing this shit I'm sorry. If hes not as evil as I've made him sound here I apologize. But it almost sounds to me like he owns you right now. This is 2010, slavery was abolished hundreds of years ago. He needs to understand either 1) that you are trying and he needs to leave you the eff alone and grow up or 2) that you don't wanna get clean and plan on breaking up and moving out.

Those should be your only 2 possible decisions. There shouldn't be you trying to get clean and him not trying to help you at all. Thats not a relationship. If thats the way its gonna be I don't even see you 2 as being together, so you might as well just leave now. Again if I misinterpreted this situation I deeply apologize, but this man needs to get his shit straight just as much as you do. He isn't better than you, and if he can't stop acting like that, its only gonna drag you deeper into addiction by continuing to live with him.
 
Any possibility your bf has watched some of those shows about addiction and is trying his hand at "tough love"? Bojangles has a point but only you really know what's in his head.

Either way though, he needs to know that you need support right now to get clean and being mean will just make you question what you are getting clean for. I don't have any support but this place but the thing is I know for sure I will never take another opiate in my life.
 
You know if her bf really loves her and is genuinely concerned for her health/safety then he should be upset with her. I mean shit i didn't do shit when i first met my wife now i'm a heroin addict and she hates it and has threatened to leave me and I dont blame her. Anytime a loved one sees their significant other slowly sinking further and further into addiction they're gonna be pissed and voice their concerns. The thing is Pill, he obviously cares about you if it bothers him as much as it does. And if you're not getting anything from them anyway and know that you need to stop yourself plus keep your bf then go for it!! Good luck!!
 
/\ (@helpme) Thats an excellent point you're right. Especially with the show "intervention" thats all about tough love.
 
Off the top of my head I can think of at least five good people/friends who would PROBABLY be still walking this earth if not for unwise/inappropriate/blind use of tough love.
 
Off the top of my head I can think of at least five good people/friends who would PROBABLY be still walking this earth if not for unwise/inappropriate/blind use of tough love.

Yeh I didn't wanna get into that but I agree 100%.

At least in the situation where you have a family member doing it to another family member, or a friend doing it to a friend.

The problem is they're not qualified to do it. The interventionists on tv are doing something very specific (rehab) and have about 25 years of experience behind them to calibrate the drug addict.
When its people in your family, it often turns into a disaster. Family does NOT know how to not take things personal, either do friends. The reason why is simple. They thing JUST BECAUSE they are your brother, or your best friend, that its reason enough for you to want to listen to them. But when you don't, they get agitated, and turn tough love into something more along the lines of "fuck you".

Tough love can work accidentally, the same way a virgin often gets laid. But in terms of being an affective strategy for the common citizen to employ on a friend or family member, its a complete waste of time. All I see usually happening is fights, overdoses, the drug addict moves out, becomes isolated and kills themself. Theres just so many terrible ways it can go if you know nothing about addiction.

Now on the other hand. Someone like my mother has gone to Alanon meetings for years. She really got into them and she def has the knowledge how to use tough love the right way. But even after about a year of going she still knew nothing. I took her quite some time before she really understood the process and how to truely remain detached. The avg person will not exhaust the energy needed to learn it, thats why I still stick to her bf causing more harm than good.
 
He has ALWAYS been loving and amazing this is the FIRST time he has done anything like this and after what I've read, I'm made him seem so horrible. He isn't. I'm just a mess in body and mind...

UPDATE: Each day is getting a little easier. Granted I haven't been up very long yet but I'm in a better mood and the pain has lessened.
 
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Hope you do okay, Pill ! (sincerely) if you thought that comment was a joke.

You know you graduate, work for maybe ten years and well I don't know.....

Anger is negative, so unless I get kicked off I will try and find hope (yes, really)
 
Dear PT, Bojangles is sooo right. I also have lived with an opiate addiction for nearly 40 years and also, surprise, lived with 3 men who I now realise were borderline/narcissistic personalities. They wanted to control me and the easiest way was thru'mental cruelty: giving me a little love and compassion and then w/drawing it as soon as I started feeling good. So my need for emotional numbness increased. It's only now that I am living alone (with my 20 year old daughter) that I'm starting to feel good about myself again and finally getting help with my drug problems. And I managed to kick the booze 4 years ago as well.
Tramadol is one of the most evil drugs I've ever encountered. I was given it in hospital and it sent me into a totally off- the -wall paranoid delerium for 3 days!!! it's not even a good pain killer like OCs or morphine. Just totally bad. You don't need them or him.
You are a beautiful young woman who is taking the most courageous and life-affirming step and you deserve praise and loving support. And he won't give it to you. But breaking away from a controller like him is too big a move with all the other crap you are going thru'. tell him you need time out from the judgemental stuff while you WD. If he won't or can't, try to see if you can stay with s/one else who can at least give you a bed on the floor and some head space to deal with your WDs.
And, finally, some good counselling from s/one trained in dysfunctional family r'ships and drug/alcohol abuse: there's a reason, sorrly lots of reasons why you started self-medicating, as we all do & know. it's such a relief when you have this explained to you by a "professional" and then think about some anti-depressant medication and a life without a borderline personality psycho pretending to love you (and the saddest thing is he probably thinks he does...)
As they say in Japan: GAMBATTE (hang in there!) Love and more...
 
Things are much better! Poor Tony, I was so snappy! It took nothing to get me angry. Last night had me text yelling at my mother and my lil brother!
But I feel no need for Tramadol anymore.
I have weed and I'm going to use it and start cutting back on it.
He doesn't seem too bothered by me having a little.
But yes, things a good and I feel much better as a human being.
I look forward to more improvement!
 
maybe see if your pot dealer can spot you some weed if hes compasionate he will if you explain the situation, if i was there i would pass yout he bong

I would highly recommend against doing this. It's not wise to live outside your means when it comes to drugs, even just weed. If you can't afford it, don't use it.
 
^exactly. owing people money for drugs(even weed) sucks.

Pillthrill, just stay in CD and off the trams, ya hear?

I've been through tram withdrawals a few times and they're not pretty at all, but after about a week or so the worst of it is over.
 
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