Prop. 19 approval could decrease marijuana costs, increase consumption, report says

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/07/proposition-19-marijuana-costs.html

The cost of marijuana would drop as much as 80% and consumption would rise if Californians vote for Proposition 19, the legalization measure on the November ballot, researchers at Rand’s Drug Policy Research Center have concluded in a detailed analysis of the issue.

The Santa Monica-based, nonprofit research institute predicted the cost of marijuana, which runs between $300 and $450 per ounce, could plunge to about $38 by eliminating the expense of compensating suppliers for the challenges of operating in the black market.

The researchers were not certain how much that decline in price might spur use, but noted that one typical estimate is that a 10% drop in price increases use by about 3%. Other factors, such as the elimination of legal risks, could also increase usage between 5% and 50%.

The report noted that it was impossible to predict tax revenues from the initiative, which leaves that decision up to individual cities and counties. Based on a statewide $50 per ounce tax proposed in a legalization bill introduced by Sen. Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), the report said state tax revenues could range from $650 million to $1.49 billion.

“California voters and legislators face considerable uncertainty because it is very difficult to estimate how much more marijuana will be consumed in the state or how the change will affect tax revenues, criminal-justice costs and healthcare costs,” the study concludes. The 54-page report, with 14 pages of footnotes, is called “Altered State?” and was paid for by Rand.

The researchers noted that projections for marijuana use and tax revenues hinge on estimates of use, prices, how use changes with price, taxes imposed and evaded, and numerous other factors. The report is peppered with caveats about the assumptions researchers had to make.

To calculate the price drop, researchers looked at the cost of growing marijuana in a 1,500-square-foot house. The researchers concluded that the wages paid to employees who tend the crop would slip from as much as $25 per hour to no more than $10, just a little above what nursery laborers earn. They also suggested growers would have easier access to labor-saving automation, savings from growing on a larger scale and minimal risk of arrest and forfeiture.

If the per-ounce cost dropped to $38 and the Ammiano bill’s $50 per ounce excise tax passed, taxes would account for more than half the cost of the state’s marijuana, an observation likely to inflame marijuana idealists who see it as a natural weed that ought to be treated like an herb.

The report notes that Ammiano’s proposed tax is about 10 times the rate of state tobacco taxes. That high tax creates an incentive for tax evasion that is more financially rewarding than smuggling marijuana from Mexico to California and it could also encourage smokers to turn to the highest-potency marijuana to get more bang for their buck, the researchers concluded.

Researchers also looked at the estimates of the cost of enforcing marijuana laws in California, which ranged from $200 million to $1.9 billion, and put it at “probably less than $300 million.” They also conclude that it is not possible to determine whether increased use would lead to more drugged driving accidents and to more use of harder drugs, such as cocaine, saying the research is inconclusive.

-- John Hoeffel
 
If the per-ounce cost dropped to $38 and the Ammiano bill’s $50 per ounce excise tax passed, taxes would account for more than half the cost of the state’s marijuana, an observation likely to inflame marijuana idealists who see it as a natural weed that ought to be treated like an herb.

Something tells me that "marijuana idealists" are going to be a little less than "inflamed" if they can get ounces of primo Cali herb for less than 100 bucks.
 
Has anyone studied the effects on other drug consumption?

If pot prices go down, and availability goes up, what effect does that have on alcohol and tobacco consumption?

And what about illegal drug consumption? If pot can be gotten at a store instead of from a dealer, I could see two mechanisms for other drug consumption falling. Not only would most people not have the opportunity to purchase other drugs from a dealer while buying pot, but with dealers being denied money from pot, will they have to raise prices of other drugs in order to make the same amount of money? Will some dealers be forced to quit because the money just isn't good enough?
 
if this passes i'm moving there
Will some dealers be forced to quit because the money just isn't good enough?
if production and sale is legalized, it'll be sold in stores. dealers are more a black market phenomenon. nobody would buy it in stores then deal it out (cept to other states perhaps) and imports from mexico would be near zero because of the price difference.. it may shift lopsided actually and we start sending pot to mexico while mexico still supplies many of our other illegal drugs

are production and sale legalized or just production? i haven't heard that much about california's debate yet
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it could also encourage smokers to turn to the highest-potency marijuana to get more bang for their buck, the researchers concluded.
uhhh... why do we need more bang for our buck when it gets cheaper???
 
Legalization of personal marijuana-rlated activities

Persons over the age of 21 may possess up to one ounce of marijuana for personal consumption.

May use marijuana in a non-public place such as a residence or a public establishment licensed for on site marijuana consumption.

May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet for personal use.

Local government regulation of commercial production and sale

Local government may authorize businesses to sell up to 1 ounce of marijuana and to regulate the hours and location of the business.

Allows for the transportation of marijuana from one dispensary in one area to another without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.

Imposition and collection of taxes and fees

Allows the collection of taxes specifically to allow local governments to raise revenue or to offset any costs associated with marijuana regulation.

Authorization of criminal and civil penalties

Maintains existing laws against selling drugs to a minor and driving under the influence.*

Maintains an employers right to address on-the-job consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.

Maintain existing laws against interstate or international transportation of marijuana.

Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 21 results in them being banned from owning, operating, or being employed by a licensed marijuana establishment for one year.

Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older the age of 18 but younger than 21, shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.

Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone age 14 to 17, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.

Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_(2010)

* how are california's existing driving laws regarding pot?
 
You lucky American mutha hubbudz if this bill passes =D
Enjoy it for me :)

As for this article - The gov. will be getting so much money that usually goes to the black market, the black market dealers will dry up, the quality of the weed will be much better (good, equal levels of THC and CBD so less chance of mental health problems) and everyone will be much happier =D

It's just all good - So fucking pass it yo! ;)

Hopefully the UK will follow suit like they did with the Iraq war **cheeky snigger** ;)
 
even if use spread, who cares, i think its a great thing, the legalization of drugs should be done immediatly and this is a good start
 
FUCK THIS BILL.

i will move to california if this DOES NOT PASS

KEEP IT MEDICAL FUCK LEGALIZATION.

and yes

I don't want marijuana legalized... and i don't give the slightest fuck what you think!!!! 8o8o8o


there is more regulation in this bill that legalization... just keep it profitable.... keep it counter culture... and keep it medical...

Don't vote for this bill in cali!!!!

EDIT: i may get attacks on "greedy grower" comments and shit... but Actually READ this bill before you vote on it... IT IS NOT LEGALIZATION... its REGULATION STILL
 
^they cant do anything. just like how they cant charge anybody for medical. state law>federal. its gonna be epic win. california is going to be the weed capital of the world, and everywhere else in the US will follow suit within 10 years (well maybe not backwards places like texas or teh south..) and we can all puff trees?
 
if an ounce of marijuana costs $300-$450 & "The cost of marijuana would drop as much as 80%"

then an ounce would run $60-$90

therefore stating "the price could plunge to about $38" implies a 87%-92% drop in price.
 
FUCK THIS BILL.

i will move to california if this DOES NOT PASS

KEEP IT MEDICAL FUCK LEGALIZATION.

and yes

I don't want marijuana legalized... and i don't give the slightest fuck what you think!!!! 8o8o8o


there is more regulation in this bill that legalization... just keep it profitable.... keep it counter culture... and keep it medical...

Don't vote for this bill in cali!!!!

EDIT: i may get attacks on "greedy grower" comments and shit... but Actually READ this bill before you vote on it... IT IS NOT LEGALIZATION... its REGULATION STILL

You are the reason why we need legalisation. Been getting into wayyyy too many THC heavy meds that you cant even understand yourslef through the haze. Regulation = legalisation. Regulating and taking control of the market, taking it out of the crimes hands.

Conditions of a LAW mean SWEET fuck all. Its about getting the law passed. Once its passed, conditions can be relaxed without having go through the same process.

A simple scenario is as follows;

State introduces speed cameras, but can only place them in signposted areas. This is the ONLY way to get all the partys invovled to agree and pass the law.. A year later, conditions are relaxed, so that signs need only be placed a 10m from the speed camera. Next year, the condition to have a sign is relaxed to allow for mobile speed cameras. Convert speed cameras in bins.

The ultimate intension of the person who originally introduced the law was to get undercover speed detection devices onto our streets. No way would all partys agree this was good for the general public, but once the law is passed, amending it simplifies the process.
 
This would be awsome, even though I don't live in cali. But doesn't anyone know of any polls on this? Will it really pass?
 
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