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First off, I am a person who is more susceptible to mental addiction than the average person. I am mentally addicted to pot to a minor degree.

Pot is something I don't see myself "letting go of" (meaning quitting forever) anytime soon. I can quit for months, but I doubt I'd ever live out the commitment to quit for good. However, that's not a problem to me, because weed won't fry my brain, ecstasy will.

Obviously MDMA is many times more mentally addicting than weed. I've seen tons of people here who appear to be mentally addicted to it, I know several people irl who are severely mentally addicted to it.

I recently read several posts that state that they probably never could make the commitment to never roll again. I am aware that many people are "weak", but it seems that the vast majority of rollers are in that boat.

I have self control, I would never do anything stupid like roll every week. However, I want to be able to make the commitment to never roll again without going through life with that nagging voice in the back of my head saying "wow I wonder how great this would be if I was rolling" and "why the hell not, it's such an amazing experience"

So you could say that I should just never try it, but that's not easy either, as I am DYING to experience it.

So I'm curious, how bad is the mental addiction really? I've done opiates and thought that they were awesome, but I had no problem stopping that in fear of becoming addicted. I know opiates don't even remotely compare to X, but currently opiates are probably the most mentally addicting drug i've done and I've had much success putting those away.

Also, my "addiction" to pot may be more of a sleep dependence thing more than anything else, as I never smoke during the day and I only get the "addiction" feelings at night, when I'm lying in bed unable to sleep. (I have insomnia, and pot cured it like magic) so it may be a lot easier than I think. I simply don't want to make a mistake that will degrade the rest of my life.
 
ive had problems with speed (and i have no source for legit MDxx consistantly) but MDxx provided no cravings or anything, whereas speed has..a lot. youll be fine, chill.
 
what keeps me from doing it a lot is knowing that i WILL lose the magic if i roll too often. i always make sure that if i'm going to roll at some event that in my mind i remember that i'd still be having a blast without it and that i don't NEED the drug to have a good time.

abstaining from drugs is a great thing and kudos to you if you decide to never roll, but it sounds like you'll probably end up doing it anyways. just know that if you do it too often, it won't be the magical experience that it was the first time you ever did it. for me, that thought is enough to keep me away from the drug for extended periods of time. it seems like every time i roll, it gets better and better and i'm more satisfied with it knowing that i have the self control to refrain from abusing it.
 
this sounds like you're asking a question that only YOU can answer. only you can decide how much self-control you have. i am also a person is is more susceptible to mental addiction, and i can tell you first hand that it is very easy to get mentally addicted. i rolled once a week for about 3 months...i knew it wasn't good but nothing was stopping me. after this period i notice my memory had gone to shit, and it really scared me, so i completely stopped rolling for a year. I had some withdrawal sypmtoms for a couple weeks...then after that it seemed like my need for it completely vanished. i now roll once every month-2months (with my memory completely back by the way)...so its all about self control and how YOU can control yourself.
 
Well first off.. Right now I'm not doing ecstasy and I've been doing it for about 1/2 years and I abused the shit out of it now I'm paying for it. Always remember with abuse comes repercutions I've heard alot of people say they will space rolls out bla...bla...bla... Rarley have I seen anyone who said it actually do it for the simple fact the first time you roll you enjoy it so much you hit honeymoon stage and really wanna do it again, you then make excuses and reasons to why you can do it like "tonight alright it's been 2 weeks long enough" the reason I'm saying this stuff is because you are alot like me with the information I read above.

Always remember never listen to a dealer either get a test kit www.eztest.com. If you can't then use www.pillreports.com and look your pills up. Always stay as safe as you can. . . Also be very warey of this "mental" addiction because I can say from experiance in all honesty I feel the mental addiction. It's really actually quite frustrating when all your friends experiance it while your at home fiendin to be high with them. My abuse of MDMA has really rocked my world I can't stress this enough. (not so much mental addiction but in someways it is)

With that being said if you use it and don't abuse it then it's actually quite beneficial. I had minor to moderate depression. After my 2nd time rolling for weeks I was more energetic, happy, talktive e and empathetic. I wish I never would of abused and stuck to rolling once every 3 months and kept the "MAGIC" affect :(.

This is all I can really say about it hope this helps some. Have a good one, research some on MDMA and ecstasy know the effects and be more knowledgable about it www.erowid.com is a great start.

-Have fun rolling :) best luck & wish's!
---Shayzon
 
My advice is wait until the drug finds you.. Don't go out looking for it. If you ever come across it in a situation where it seems like it will be perfect then just do it. If you go around looking for it and trying to find it then truthfully you'll only find trouble. I know when I look for a drug and am almost feigning for the high then it usually ends up being a pretty disappointing experience once I finally get it. I had been wanting to do E for a while before my first time and then I was talking to a friend and she was 'oh if you know anyone who wants some pills' and I was like 'shit, I do' and then I had my first experience because it really just presented itself to me. Also don't worry too much about the mental addiction aspect.. you seem like you have enough self control to stop or slow down if you have to. My second piece of advice is only do it a few times a year. It makes the high and experience really special. Just always be as safe as possible. Good luck and definitely give E a shot if the opportunity presents itself.
 
I agree with MD Specialist, if ecstasy comes to you, you will have a hell of a good ride, when you go "searching" it usually isnt as great as you expected and than you immediately want more. (atleast in my case haha)

I definitely believe you have enough control over yourself for "the mental addiction" also.
Good luck, and stay safe.
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I doubt many people could do real mdma just the once.
However it is very unlike most other drugs in that while you may wish to do it again, its like a baked dinner. You really love the first and will certainly have more but you dont need to do it every meal.
Most people tend to enjoy the drug for a few years every now and then or every few weeks, maybe even having a honeymoon period of using every week for a few months or so and then stop using as that part of there lives moves on. some will continue to use longer but they seem to be in the minority.
Weed is most certainly a drug of dependence and sadly i have seen a number of bad long term reactions to it but both people were very heavy users.
While mdma is not physically addictive, because it is generally such a huge rush, most will want to do it again.
However with time that rush drops off and so does the desire to continue doing it.


The best advice i can give is to familiarise yourself with the drug by reading through the links in the Basics area of the Directory.
 
gman7104 said:
First off, I am a person who is more susceptible to mental addiction than the average person. I am mentally addicted to pot to a minor degree.

Pot is something I don't see myself "letting go of" (meaning quitting forever) anytime soon. I can quit for months, but I doubt I'd ever live out the commitment to quit for good. However, that's not a problem to me, because weed won't fry my brain, ecstasy will.

Obviously MDMA is many times more mentally addicting than weed. I've seen tons of people here who appear to be mentally addicted to it, I know several people irl who are severely mentally addicted to it.

I recently read several posts that state that they probably never could make the commitment to never roll again. I am aware that many people are "weak", but it seems that the vast majority of rollers are in that boat.

I have self control, I would never do anything stupid like roll every week. However, I want to be able to make the commitment to never roll again without going through life with that nagging voice in the back of my head saying "wow I wonder how great this would be if I was rolling" and "why the hell not, it's such an amazing experience"

So you could say that I should just never try it, but that's not easy either, as I am DYING to experience it.

So I'm curious, how bad is the mental addiction really? I've done opiates and thought that they were awesome, but I had no problem stopping that in fear of becoming addicted. I know opiates don't even remotely compare to X, but currently opiates are probably the most mentally addicting drug i've done and I've had much success putting those away.

Also, my "addiction" to pot may be more of a sleep dependence thing more than anything else, as I never smoke during the day and I only get the "addiction" feelings at night, when I'm lying in bed unable to sleep. (I have insomnia, and pot cured it like magic) so it may be a lot easier than I think. I simply don't want to make a mistake that will degrade the rest of my life.
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I would say opiates are far more addictive that MDMA for most people (especially the stronger ones). While after first trying MDMA, most people do want to do it again, it's not a drug that you would necessarily want to do on the next day after your roll. MDMA drains your brain of seratonin and the only way to feel a roll properly is to let your brain recover (this is a simplification, but my point remains). I also find that my desire to do MDMA also greatly depends on my set and setting. If I am with other people who are rolling and EDM event, then I likely to really want to roll. On the other hand, opiates can be done practically anywhere (and a lot of serious user to shoot up in random places like fast-food restrooms and stuff).

MDMA can definitely be mentally addictive, although I think you're misunderstanding the nature of this addiction, it's really not like weed/opiates/alcohol for the vast majority of users.
 
thx for all the responses. I have done much research on it, I would never try a new drug without doing research. The mental addiction factor still wasn't clear to me though, hence the reason I made this thread.

Im pretty sure it will be ok then, because I think the reason I'll never quit weed is because I know weed will never fry my brain. I was mentally addicted to opiates on a strong level in the past, however I didn't have much difficulty not using them anymore in fear of addiction.

I just thought that ecstasy was 100x more mentally addicting than opiates, which is why I was hesitant to try it.

Well thanks for all the input, I'm probably going to pick up 2 rolls tomorrow :) they're purple stars, and all reports from my area say they're legit and bomb.
 
gman7104 said:
I just thought that ecstasy was 100x more mentally addicting than opiates, which is why I was hesitant to try it.
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Oh dear me no, not at all. Opiates are far more addictive in every way.


gman7104 said:
Well thanks for all the input, I'm probably going to pick up 2 rolls tomorrow :) they're purple stars, and all reports from my area say they're legit and bomb.
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If they are the "starfish" purple stars (see report here: http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=22530 ) be careful. Up until this past weekend, they WERE extremely reliable and very high-quality pills ... I took 2 myself back in March and had an unbelievable time. But just this past weekend a buddy of mine picked up a batch, ate two, and was quite disappointed with the results. There ARE some copycats around.

The basic truth is that if you always test your pills first, and you never eat more than 2 pills in a night, and you never roll more than once a month (like for real for real), you'll pretty much be OK no matter how scared you are of addiction. The basic rules are not really that difficult.
 
Pans-Advocate said:
Oh dear me no, not at all. Opiates are far more addictive in every way.




If they are the "starfish" purple stars (see report here: http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=22530 ) be careful. Up until this past weekend, they WERE extremely reliable and very high-quality pills ... I took 2 myself back in March and had an unbelievable time. But just this past weekend a buddy of mine picked up a batch, ate two, and was quite disappointed with the results. There ARE some copycats around.

The basic truth is that if you always test your pills first, and you never eat more than 2 pills in a night, and you never roll more than once a month (like for real for real), you'll pretty much be OK no matter how scared you are of addiction. The basic rules are not really that difficult.
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Thanks for the advice. Those pills look very similar to the ones I'm getting, it may or may not be the same (I haven't seen them in awile) but yeah there are lots of copycats.
 
firstmoment said:
if you consider be addicted mentally to be: romancing the thought of being on it, looking foward to the next time you do it, and thinking about how much you like the high. then yes i would say in my experience it is very mentally addicting. and then i am mentally addicted. but how healthy a lifestyle do you live?

i mean if you are living an already un healthy lifestyle and youre worrying if e is going to make it worse, than are you really in a position to be even considerig taking it? or are you living a healthy lifestyle and wondering if this is going to make your world slowly come crashing down.

let me just say, if you (or i) cant take some ecstasy without our worlds coming crashing down on us, than we never should have been taking it in the first place. but if you can take some e and then resume life as usual until next time. well you you are in a good boat my friend, and you should go right ahead.

which lead me to saying, that if you are leadinga healthy lifestyle, wont you have other things to do once you resume life as usual to occupy your time? do you exercise, or practice healthy relationships with others, or work? or do you sit at home all day mooching off your mom and dad who expect you to get a job and arent happy with your smoking bud all the time, because you have ways of getting pot but not ways of getting out of theyre house and taking care of yourself.

ok now im just getting off topic. but perhaps that did shine a little perspective on your situation.

and as far as a physical addiction. i dont think there is any, i mean, really? no, you will be able to get up, get out of bed, and be productive, without ecstasy. so long as you live a healthy lifestyle. there is no dt's from ecstasy.

hope any of this helped. be safe.
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If you mean mentally healthy, then yes, very much so. My current life situation is great. Physically I don't exercise at the gym, but I frequently go outside and shoot hoops with people in the neighborhood. I'm not "fit" but i'm not out of shape either. I'm trying X because I want to experience it, it's not because I want to feel better. I've never thought that drugs are all that good for removing stress anyway, maybe X will be different. Regardless though, I have little stress in my life and when stress arises, I happen to be extremely good at dealing with it mentally and without drugs for some reason, i've been like that my whole life.
 
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i'm mentally addicted to weed and mdma. i smoke probably 5-6 days a week, and i think about rolling just about everyday, but I only do it once every 6 weeks or so. i consider mdma to be "special" unlike weed, which i just consider to be pretty much an everyday thing. if you're going to try it, you have to go in with the mentality that it is "special" and its kind of like treating yourself every once in a while.
 
trainwreckmolly said:
i'm mentally addicted to weed and mdma. i smoke probably 5-6 days a week, and i think about rolling just about everyday, but I only do it once every 6 weeks or so. i consider mdma to be "special" unlike weed, which i just consider to be pretty much an everyday thing. if you're going to try it, you have to go in with the mentality that it is "special" and its kind of like treating yourself every once in a while.
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Yeah that's how I treat opiates. With opiates, I'll usually have a night and then smoke a bowl, and wake up the next day wanting so badly to do it again. I push that aside and the temptation usually decreases rapidly, after a week I won't even be thinking about it anymore.

I probably won't roll that many times at all, as I am aware of the potential brain/nerve damage as well as losing the magic.
 
I've never thought that drugs are all that good for removing stress anyway, maybe X will be different
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it will be :) i'm curious as to how it goes, maybe make a trip report
 
gman7104 said:
If you mean mentally healthy, then yes, very much so. My current life situation is great. Physically I don't exercise at the gym, but I frequently go outside and shoot hoops with people in the neighborhood. I'm not "fit" but i'm not out of shape either. I'm trying X because I want to experience it, it's not because I want to feel better. I've never thought that drugs are all that good for removing stress anyway, maybe X will be different. Regardless though, I have little stress in my life and when stress arises, I happen to be extremely good at dealing with it mentally and without drugs for some reason, i've been like that my whole life.
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then go for it! and i wasnt saying you have to be in shape, just saying you shouldnt be unproductive when youre not using drugs recreationally. but you sound like you have a life, so just use responsibly.

but dont be suprised if you have an amazing time and cant stop thinking about how amazing it was. so its pretty safe to say that if you cant stop thinking about how great a time you had. and thats the worst thing about it, than it cant be that bad. like the first time you have sex ya know? you just cant stop thinking about how great it was after, and how you cant wait to do it again.

have a good time man!!
 
roganmaster said:
what keeps me from doing it a lot is knowing that i WILL lose the magic if i roll too often
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+1

The first time I did E I waited two weeks for the next. The second one was fun, but it wasn't "magical" like the first, So I decided to wait another month from there. Which is exactly two weeks from now. :)

The main thing about E, I find, is it doesn't produce pleasure. It feels like an enhancer rather than a supplier. What I mean is, looking back at the memories on ecstasy, it wasn't being high I crave, but rather what I was doing on it. It's not like a "I really miss that feeling of ecstasy" but more of a "That was an awesome time I had - I wish I could hug my friends all the time like I did on E!". And the E memories are as addicting as any other fun memory, like an amusement park. In short, with other "dope" drugs you addicted to the feeling rather then what happens when you're on it.

In my opinion you can't be dependent on it because it doesn't produce euphoria out of nothing like opiates (I think - I've never done any opiates). It's also not an escape. You can't take E in the morning and expect your day to be amazing.

Also, weed works on dopamine while E works on serotonin (mainly). So it's completely different from in terms of addiction.

By the way, for sleeping, have you tried melatonin? I have insomnia and it works wonders for me. Non-addictive and non-toxic.
 
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