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15yr old dies after attending EDC (CA, USA)
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thizzfac3d
Greenlighter
I think at the very least I think parents should go to a rave with their kid to see if that's an environment they want their kid to be in before saying ok. Some parents don't care, other kids lie and sneak out. This is where the promoter should step in, but they won't. Fact is these kids make them a lot of money.
thizzfac3d
Greenlighter
I have made my argument, you are clearly a troll. 8)
RavenousBlonde
Bluelight Crew
I don't think Coolio is trolling at all. I think they have brought up some very valid points.
Who are we to put an age on when it is acceptable to try any drug, much less ecstasy? Of course, nobody (including me) wants people to try drugs at age 15. But you know what? It's going to happen. There's nothing that anyone can do to stop it. We do not live in an ideal world.
IMHO, the only way to stop tragedies like this from happening is proper & honest drug education, not the DARE bullshit that is spouted out at kids at every opportunity. Until this country (and others) are ready to accept the fact that prohibition does not work, and scare tactics only make the situation worse, kids are going to die unnecessarily.
Just my .02.
stuckinaloop
Bluelighter
stuckinaloop
Bluelighter
they are more responsible.
come on you can't actually think a 14y/o can make the same educated and mature decisions as an 18 year old.
it's not like we are comparing a 30 y/o to a 34 y/o..
raver2008
Bluelighter
Im gonna agree most 14 year olds dont research or know anything about ecstasy and the fact they could be taking just about anything. And while yes at 18 your probably more mature and hopefully have learned more, that doesnt stop the fact 14 year olds, and even younger are going to be doing e. So common sense is teach them the real info on these drugs, have and encourage pill testing at events like this, have the info avaliable at the raves.. Everyone seems so shocked someone 15 years old was at a rave for ppl 16 +, I'd bet a very large number of the people there were under 16, theres nothing shocking about that, theres always ppl younger than the age limit trying to get into just about anywhere there is a limit, bars, clubs, raves, porn shops, anywhere theres a restriction on age u can bet your ass theres alot of ppl that are younger than than they should be in there. Its nothing new
Everyone is so deeply saddened by this, but unfortunately there really is only two people to blame for this matter and that is her parents. First, if her parents were willing to let her go to an even of this nature they should have done research about what content goes on at events like this. Second, based on her age she was not even allowed to attend this event. The fact that people are blaming the drug use for this is absolute bullshit, they should be blaming her mother and father for not taking more responsibility for their daughter. Simple solution, make every event 21+ and say bye bye kiddie ravers.
I’m sorry but the parents did not make her go to the rave and they certainly did not make her take the drug. I don’t care what education or upbringing you have the choice to take an unknown substance is with that individual alone.
Lets for argument sake say she was 16 – who’s 'fault' would have it been then. Not the parents - not the event - it would have been her fault for taking the drug.
This story isn’t about what we think is morally correct (age of drug use etc) its about how the lack of true and honest information / education has led to the death of somebody who was out for fun.
Theres no point of just saying 'your too young to take drugs so just dont' the goverment is telling us all 'drugs are illegal so just dont take them' who here listens?
a bit sarkastic
Greenlighter
That sucks! EDC is an epic show tho and its definitely all ages its the only way they could profit putting on a show like that. Its total luck of the draw tho, even if she'd been older she probably wouldnt have faired better. It sucks but that's when I took my first pill too so I cant be too critical.
lightitup
Bluelighter
This is ridiculous. There are plenty of responsible 14 year olds, and many irresponsible 18 year olds. I wasn't making uneducated decisions about what I was putting in my body at 14, and if you are then that is a foolish decision that leads to SERIOUS consequences.
I agree with Coolio here. People ridicule and say "OMG A 15 YEAR OLD?!111" and then feel fine when a 16/17 year old is rolling their tits off at a rave. It's a fucking year. It isn't magical when you turn 18 that you are smarter and now have a right to do drugs.
That said, I feel terrible for the girl. No one deserves to have their life cut short this early
I think it is also very shocking that she fell and people didn't help her GTFO of there. If I was rolling and saw that I would be so empathetic to helping the poor girl.Pans-Advocate
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Honestly I just think the cutoff that makes the most sense is that people shouldn't really consider taking drugs like MDMA or psychedelics until they don't live with their parents anymore.
this right here, and if you cant respect the rules of the person who pays(usually) for everything you own, then your a tool. dont get caught, or move out.
Pans-Advocate
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I just think the independence that you assume by altering your mind is premature unless you have the independence to at least maintain your living space and your diet without help.
C8H10N4O2
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^That is a great idea. I'm sure everyone has a person in their life who still lives at home and still has the maturity of a bratty teenager, well into adulthood. The problem is there is no way to enforce it, unless everyone has parents so strict and attentive that they would never have a chance to experiment with drugs. Of course, that brings a whole new set of concerns. To work, it would have to be a culturally accepted guideline not to touch certain drugs until you're independent. But again, we have a problem--these substances aren't culturally acceptable themselves, so that kind of guideline would never catch on. Oh, the society we live in. 
MynameisnotDeja
Bluelight Crew
I went to EDC in 01-02 and they checked my ID to get in both times. Guess things have changed. Sad story.
RavenousBlonde
Bluelight Crew
That's one of my major problems with this situation - were nobody at the gates checking ID's? Were wristbands or any other type of markings (stamps) not put on the younger than 18 kids so they could be easily identified and watched closer by security (assuming they had any at this point)? What was it like when you went, MynameisnotDeja?
Such a tragic, preventable situation.
ti.ara
Bluelighter
I completely agree. They blame deaths all on mdma/e when most often it isn't the drug itself but the users irresponsible actions while on the drug. Why would her parents allow her to attend a rave at that age? This is really, really sad.
ti.ara
Bluelighter
I also think its really sad, because most of the deaths you hear about could probably have been prevented if kids had proper education about drugs and harm reduction, instead of fear tactics.