TDS Eating Disorders Megathread

Thankfully I have a loving and 200% supportive partner who is never scared by my occasional relapses. He deals with my crazy in the most non-judgemental and caring ways. Part of my healing involves being completely honest with him about my eating - not because he forces me to, because I want to. It helps immensely. :)

This is exactly how I am with my partner too hun. It helps so much doesn't it <3
I know you will stay on track, but nevertheless it is scary when the thoughts and compulsive behaviour become all too familiar again. But even though this is something that will probably be underlying our whole lives, we can and WILL stay on top of it <3
 
This is a call out to any of you who've had, or still have eating disorders. I do.

I've had a progression of all three major EDs (anorexia, bulimia, binge eating) for three years, but these days I feel absolutely the most awful I ever have. It just feels utterly, truly hopeless. Despairing. (Almost) Impossible.

My situation - I'm at my all time highest weight by ALOT, I can't stop eating weight-gaining food, and I can't do the exercise I'm used to being able to do (injury, complete loss of fitness, bad depresssion - no motivation). I'm in hiding from my whole life and I can't bear to rejoin it until I'm smaller. It's so distressing. I truly don't know what to do from here.

Literally every day gets harder, bigger, more depressed. I know there are BLers, men and women, who've suffered in similar ways, please tell us your story.

How can you start digging your way out??

well..
i never stopped digging myself out.
this is a lifelong struggle hon.
i've been ana/mia for 9 years and it'll never go away.
in a room full of people i still think i can "be normal" and eat normally but thats not how we are programmed.
unfortunately.
but... there are months or weeks where i make progress, and thats the advice i can give to you..
just seriously try not to think about it.. eventually it will become like a everyday thing and as time goes by, the pain of being different, and the URGE to stick your hands down your throat will be perfectly normal and youll be able to decide when its nessesary and when its not.
youll never fully heal. and neither will your teeth..
but stick with what ever decision you make, and go for your goal.. as crazy as it may seem to others..
were really not as crazy as they think.


te amo
<3
 
Just out of interest, has anyone with a diagnosed eating disorder ever attended Overeaters Anonymous? I have always been dubious about these 12 step programs (be it AA, NA, OA etc) but I was googling it a little while ago and have been tossing up whether to go or not.

Interestingly, I recently read that up to 40% of people with manic depression have a diagnosed eating disorder (particularly binge eating/bulimia) and given my recent diagnosis and the fact that I have been diagnosed with BED (Binge Eating Disorder) and have had this for years now I have been interested in trying some different approaches.

Apart from the strong possibility that the medication that I will be going on shortly will regulate my moods (hopefully) and therefore stop the bingeing (hopefully), I have been wondering whether it might be worthwhile attending something like OA in combo with medication.

I know my binges occur mainly when I am have a depressive episode and can put on up to 10 kilos in 2 weeks so I am keen to try anything.

I know this thread is not about manic depression, but does anyone else think their eating disorder is associated with something like manic depression?

It's funny the way you always think you are the only one who binges like crazy because of your moods and then you come across a thread like this. Kind of gives you hope that at least others know what it is like.

x
 
It's funny the way you always think you are the only one who binges like crazy because of your moods and then you come across a thread like this. Kind of gives you hope that at least others know what it is like.

x

That's exactly why we're here mate <3 :)

That's a shocking statistic about bipolar and eating disorders. But then again it kinda makes sense because I seem to recall that there has been a link established between BED and bulimia with serotonin deficiency, as is bipolar and depression. So there could definitely be a link there.

If you don't yet feel comfortable doing a group therapy type of thing, perhaps you could just have some one-on-one sessions with a psychologist? Have you tried that in the past? CBT can be really effective at gaining control over eating disorders.
 
To Try OA or Not To Try OA: That is CandySlut's Question

Candyslut (great screen name, by the way), your attitude about trying all you can to control your ED is commendable. I know people who have saved their lives by going through a 12 Step program and that you are willing try OA is not only brave, but also a positive step in attempting recovery.
That being said, I have also met and read of people who were able to use various steps of the process to in fact allow their EDs to even more completely rule their lives. Mayra Hornbacher explains this this phenomena in her memoir "Wasted." She writes:
"I especial loved the step that said: I am powerless over this disease. I think this assumption of powerlessness is the most dangerous thing an anoretic can hear. It grants license, exoneration.. This is beyond my control. The mind lifts its hands from the wheel and sways: I hand this over to a higher power. God, don’t let me crash.” Page 131.
When I was in an eating disorder unit in my early adolescence, there were several patients who were diagnosed with Manic-Depressive behaviors and Bi-Polar Disorder. In group therapy sessions we had a very difficult time unraveling what came first: Bi-Polar Disorder which lead to self destructive coping mechanisms through binging, purging and/or restricting or the before mentioned disordered eating changing the patients' brain chemistry creating bi-polar disorder. None of the girls who were exploring this issue personally came to a solid conclusion while I knew them.
As someone who clinically suffers from extremely low implicit self-esteem, generalized anxiety disorder, panic disorder and major depression, I am of the opinion that majority of disordered eating stems from the individual's particular control issues. I agree with N3o (not a surprise =D) that seeking out a psychiatrist to help you work with the particulars of why you use overeating as an emotional coping mechanism might not only be more comfortable for you, but also far more beneficial.
Of course, that is just my humble opinion.
The road you are traveling is extremely difficult and I hope you are able to forge a safer path to coping with your depression. Good luck my friend!
 
I think I am developing orthorexia again...not that I consider it a bad thing especially....the last time I had a strict, regular diet & exercise regime of this calibre, I changed my body shape completely...but presently I am addicted to protein in its various incarnations and have practically waged war on carbs....which sucks cause I do miss them. but not enough to risk the possibility of fucking my mental number goals up...
 
Today I had a great shock to my system; I used to have a slight problem with eating, I say slight but I lived on a religious diet of 800 calories max for 3 years.
I was at my sisters birthday party and the food was being rolled out and it hit me; I hadn't eaten in 4 days - I'd managed to miss 4 days of complete lack of food without caring. Has anybody else experienced this 'cause it really annoyed me how I fell back into that lure.
 
^^ Yes I have definitely been there, many times. It's frustrating and slightly disturbing how easy it can be to subconcious fall back in to the trap :|
 
"I especial loved the step that said: I am powerless over this disease. I think this assumption of powerlessness is the most dangerous thing an anoretic can hear. It grants license, exoneration.. This is beyond my control. The mind lifts its hands from the wheel and sways: I hand this over to a higher power. God, don’t let me crash.” Page 131.

When I was in an eating disorder unit in my early adolescence, there were several patients who were diagnosed with Manic-Depressive behaviors and Bi-Polar Disorder. In group therapy sessions we had a very difficult time unraveling what came first: Bi-Polar Disorder which lead to self destructive coping mechanisms through binging, purging and/or restricting or the before mentioned disordered eating changing the patients' brain chemistry creating bi-polar disorder.

LGB, I know I don't know you but I <3 you for making the above 2 quotes, pretty much because they both articulate 2 major issues that I have been struggling with.

One of the major reasons I don't want to go to OA is because I am not sure I want to hand my 'issue' over to another power because a part of me feels this very act is disempowering, rather than the opposite. In 'surrendering' do I lose the power to take control of my eating disorder? Do I actually need to give it up to a higher power or do I need to find the right mechanism to take complete control of my issue?

More importantly though, you articulated the major reason why I have not yet started medication for manic depression (type 2) which is simply because I am not sure whether BED is the cause or whether BPD causes the BED...the whole egg/chicken thing, I guess. Anyway, I have been reluctant to start medication until I know which is which because I don't want to be unnecessarily medicated.

Anyway, I am starting to see a new psychiatrist this Wednesday and am really excited about planning on seeing someone regularly to get to the crux of these issues. One thing that has occurred to me recently is that the 2 issues don't actually need to be a whole egg/chicken problem. Rather, it could be that both the egg and the chicken require treatment and doesn't need to be isolated into treating only one.

Sorry to draw out the bad chicken/egg analogy but you know what I mean.

Thanks so much for articulating exactly where I am at with all this stuff.

x

ps Was it only females in your therapy group? I know this sounds Soooo lame but I feel kind of weird being in a group setting where I might be the only male talking about all this shit. 8)


 
You know...I am better. What's frustrating is that my mind is in a 'decent place'. My issues are drug related rather than food related. I eat 1800+ calories a day w/o concern/a second thought.
I now weigh just over 5 pounds from my low(est) weight. I'm terribly depressed about it. I dislike the looks from everyone, concern, etc. Judgement? It all seems wrong.

I really don't know what to do (about anything) right now. Nothing seems go be going right.
 
Meet my 2-headed monster!!

i don't know how to dig out, either. been here my whole life, it seems. both my parents are fat. really fat. and they over-eat. i over-ate as a child. i was a chubbo. then god/dess blessed me with athsma when i was 11, and i got my first scrip for speed. since then (28 years), i've entertained the monkey with two battling heads, ed and stimulants.

right now, i'm at the stims portion of the program. tried an r.c. at the recommendation of a friend. it is the single most addictive substance in this and all possible worlds. i see my body getting progressively less healthy, uglier even, (but thinner, dammit!)and i keep doing it anyway. i keep telling myself that this will be the last time. that i'll take a break and let my frazzled tissues heal. rehydrate. hah! i last for one day, during which i rebound eat like fat bastard, swallow some laxative, and, the next morning, resume stimutilation. i'm pushing the envelope, and i'm scaring the shit out of myself. i've never been compelled so strongly. i have good reasons to want to live; still, i'm breaking myself against this drug and my ed. at least i'm not fat. (today.)
 
after 2 years of not making myself puke...I just stood in front of the toilet for an hour and a half. I'm ... " " . Blank. I'm never doing that again.:|

Christ.

Edit: day after - my head hurts, I'm angry with myself, my stomach kills, I want to buy cigarettes. Why? Well that's a head scratcher. (*SHUT the fuck up person upstairs running on a damn treadmill!!!)
 
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better today. gawd, i couldn't have gotten worse! coming down from peevee is a bitch and a half. kinda rebound (over)eating some, but at least i made good food choices. anemia is getting better, too, thankfully. i was looking pretty bad with all the bruises and jaundiced looking skin. no energy all day today, but no crushing depression/panic, either. i think i'll get out of this more or less intact.
 
candyslut, my depression is most definitely linked somehow to my ed. 5 yrs later I still don't know which one comes first, all I know is I'm going ok and then struggling a little and then suddenly BAM they are both completely filling my life again. As I say, after 5 years of wondering I still don't know which one starts again first. But that really doesn't matter, what matters is that it's there and then what you do about it.

And yeah, I realised the other day it's been 5 years. I have the clearest memory only a few months into full-on ed, of saying to myself "what difference will one more day make?"
5 years of difference is what it's made so far.
When my ed is back then it's always tomorrow, always tomorrow that I will be completely good. But every day is another normal day and it's always just as hard to be completely good. You have to do it all the time, not just write off another day, but be good just because that's what needs to be done, as much as you can.
Do it now and do it always and just try your best. But do it now. Don't just let it roll along, because it rolls and it rolls and it rolls. If you want something to change, you have to bloody well make it change!

I'm totally struggling again right now. I fucking hate it. I'm so sick and tired of fighting with this! So damn sick and tired of it. :(
You know what I wish for most? I wish I could be free of how bad it makes me feel..
 
voxmystic and woamotive, it's so damn hard when drugs come into it. They push and pull you around so much that you often just totally fuck up with your food, which in turn makes you feel like utter crap, so you go back to the drug to fix the food and then you just end up in this spiral of feeling so bad from drugs AND food and everything feels way too bloody hard.

yes?

I know all about that. What I don't know is how to get out of that spiral. Except, I guess, to stop using the drug to try to fix your food mistakes. Work on them totally seperately and they become seperate issues. Then one doesn't drag you back into the other. Try to be better in your ed without using the drug to do it. That's common sense I know, but it's easier said than done!
 
Replying to THE Candyslut, Who is NOT the Only Guy!

LGB, I know I don't know you but I <3 you for making the above 2 quotes, pretty much because they both articulate 2 major issues that I have been struggling with.

Blush and thanks.

Rather, it could be that both the egg and the chicken require treatment and doesn't need to be isolated into treating only one.

Now there is serious wisdom. As I am embarking on a relationship with a new psychologist myself, I'm honestly going to try to keep this mindset you have come to with me.

ps Was it only females in your therapy group? I know this sounds Soooo lame but I feel kind of weird being in a group setting where I might be the only male talking about all this shit.

When I was an adolescent in a locked eating disorder unit in a pediatric hospital, yes, we were all female and under 18. I have not attended any groups since then, partially because I am not the typical anorexic/bulimic and am not built bird-like, even if I am on 300 calories a day for three years. Additionally, in college I got to develop individual relationships with other eating disordered students, BOTH men and women. Our friendships and conversations were far more productive than any lead group session I have ever had to sit through. The person who has given me the most intellectual fodder and general insight into my eating-disordered ass happens to be a guy. I am pretty sure the people who use these boards reflect demographically how diverse we ED individuals are.
 
People are their own worse critics and I am sure everyone has heard the same thing from everyone. "You look great." "You are not fat." "Stop this nonsense because all it is, is an act of attention seeking." etc. They just do not understand and think that what they are saying is something special that is going to change your tomorrow.

I come from a family that has weight issues, but all of them are VERY confident. My mom is 5'11" and weighs close to 280lbs but still will wear a two piece bathing suit(Woah! right?) but I am 6'4", 175lbs with a 29 in waist can not go swimming without a shirt and have not been able to for 8 years. Whenever I ask her how she does it, she says just don't look at yourself in the mirror before you leave. So I have been trying to do this and it seems to work, but I still have extreme guilt and anxiety.

So I have been struggling with anorexia and bulimia for about two years, suffer bouts of situational depression, and have panic attacks when I miss a day at the gym. I have been seen by a psychologist, physiologist, and nutritionist but still am suffering. I have gotten my statistics stating that I am at 4.9% body fat, underweight according to the new BMI, and should be eating 3,743 calories a day to MAINTAIN my body weight... if you have posted or viewed this thread then I am sure you are like holy crap how do you even do that, but we all know that a good binge session puts us over 10,000+ calories easy. The thing is, in the beginning binging and purging was just an action used to stay skinny. However, now that I am skinny and am starting to realize it, the act of doing sends me into a state of ecstasy! I am a control freak, so the act of binging sends me into a complete catatonic state where I lose control which is relieving (when asked to define the feeling I say: its like being a food zombie, all you think about is what morsel is the next thing you are going to consume.) so binging is fun, but purging is pure ecstasy... knowing that I am getting rid of this "toxic substance" that is going to make me fat, shoots waves of electricity through my entire body. Unfortunately, 10 minutes later I feel disgusting, hungry, and lethargic.

One day during my session, I chipped the enamel off on of my front teeth and being gay I take extreme pride in how I look, so I freaked out and started crying. I swore that I would not purge again. I cannot say this works for everyone but it has worked for me, I literally searched for shock stories and videos. Countless hours were spent on youtube watching beautiful people have their body ravaged by this disease and I deduced that when they finally realize the damages they have done, they look like they have been chewed up, swallowed, corroded by acid and thrown back up. I know it sounds odd to think this way, but a long time bulimic looks like it. So the shock videos worked for me and I have not thrown up for a little over 5 months, but I still have anorexia and suffer from binge eating.

I don't know when and if I will ever get over this disease, but I am taking steps to further better myself. I am learning portion size, cutting back the amount of cardio I do and adding in weights, lifting weights however made that ungodly number go up on the scale so I broke it and now avoid them like the plague lol and tell myself everyday to love how I look and not what that number says, because we all know anorexia and bulimia makes you look like a "skinny-fat" (skinny without muscle tone) and I want tone lol! I want that rock hard body, I want to be able to go to the beach and get those "dayum" stares not those "omg, you can count his vertebrae" ones. I struggle with it everyday but it is getting better and I wish everyone good luck in their recovery and hate what society has done and is doing to the younger generation.

YOU CAN DO IT!!!

In the words of Rupaul (keeping it homo! =P) "If you can't love yourself, how the hell are you gonna love anyone else?"
 
Couple of Interesting Concepts, Veinless...

Unfortunately, 10 minutes later I feel disgusting, hungry, and lethargic.

And I totally feel empowered, in control, not the least bit hungry and calm, although a bit lightheaded. I wonder where that difference comes from...Hormonal levels? Different brain chemistry? Interesting.

I cannot say this works for everyone but it has worked for me, I literally searched for shock stories and videos. Countless hours were spent on youtube watching beautiful people have their body ravaged by this disease and I deduced that when they finally realize the damages they have done, they look like they have been chewed up, swallowed, corroded by acid and thrown back up. I know it sounds odd to think this way, but a long time bulimic looks like it. So the shock videos worked for me and I have not thrown up for a little over 5 months, but I still have anorexia and suffer from binge eating.

8oI know many people who would find the above extremely triggering. If anyone else who is seeking to quit purging wants to try the above technique to inspire health, please pay special attention to be your emotional state as it might inspire self destructive behavior instead!

Glad it worked for you though bud. Reality can be pretty ugly in some cases...:(

Lifting weights however made that ungodly number go up on the scale so I broke it and now avoid them like the plague lol and tell myself everyday to love how I look and not what that number says

Veinless, that is fabulous! Self liberation from the scale is a beautiful thing! I wish I had your guts, your boldness in defense of your health! You have officially inspired me to more aggressively undermine my obsessive number systems, which I badly need to do before it takes over my life...again.

Thanks for sharing and well wishes on your highway to health dude!
 
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Ah the scale! I used to wiegh myself allll the time, now it's only if I'm feeling good about myself I get on it. But When I'm feeling fragile and know that I'll be higher than I'm OK with, I steer.well.clear. It helps me maintain a little more control over that catastrophic feeling - like you've totally destroyed things, and are too far gone to be able to help quickly enough. (Because that feeling just makes the downward spiral more like dropping off a very high cliff..)

I'm discovering that it's not so much what you're doing, but how you think about it.
When you feel like it's the disaster and you're out of control and you've gone and made yourself horrible, then that's how you live.
But if you can keep some sort of reasonable, rational, sensible view of things then you turn around out of a bad cycle much faster. Sometimes after a bad time it helps me to compare to how I used to be. This might actually be really bad for some other people though!! Starts that self competition again.. But what it does for me is remind me that it's not the end of the world, that I've been far far worse before and not only gotten through it, but been ok too. It puts a few bad days or weeks in the right perspective again.
It helps me move on and do normal things again. Whereas if I get lost in the thoughts of how awful I am and that I should just wait a few days to go back into the world - then I just get worse and worse and worse while I'm 'waiting to be ok again.' Does anybody else here do that? Hide away until you think you are ok to be seen again? It only makes it so much bloody harder.. But then sometimes it's so hard to get out and show your face and be the kind of person you want to be, when you feel so hopelessly bad about yourself...

edit: and candyslut, you are NOT the only guy. You are just one a small number who is speaking out about it. You should feel proud of that.
 
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Veinless, stopping purging is an awesome achievement!! Feel good about that!
It's a really good start to cutting back on binging too, because when you know that you're not going to go and throw it all back up, you usually curb the eating a bit more. I know when things are bad for me, it's the binging I need to get under control. Purging comes as result of the binging, and it's the binging that I need to cut out. (Without going straight back into total restriction. God the balance.)
What are you doing to try and cut back on that?
 
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