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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

best drugs for introspection / self-therapy?

Was ages ago but think it was around 20-25mg plugged so 40-50mg or so oral equivalent. Don't get many visuals from most psyches but could barely see my hand in front of my face through the fractal fog on that 8o

Will have to track down some more cos I thought it had potential. If only 2C grew on T-rees... but they don't so will have to wait its turn. So many drugs, so little money to pay for them 8)


Girly: 10mg won't totally ruin it, I suppose ;)
 
Shambles said:
Girly: 10mg won't totally ruin it, I suppose ;)
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LOL definitely not, I'm starting to feel really good now ;)

I think the E I used to get had amps or meth in them because this roll is way smoother than the last time I did E. No ampiness just relaxation. Second pill really made the difference.

I have a little hand massager thing and it is nice.
 
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^ meph is really nice, I love the stuff. Wouldn't say it is mentally therpautic at all, but it is really great for overcoming anxiety-induced overwhem and motivational problems, it gives you a good kick in the butt to get started on big projects. It also is a great appetite suppressant.

I did partially enjoy 2c-e but I did way too much of it (a touch over 20mg), I need to try that again with a smaller dose. I could see it being potentially extremely good but I have to try again with 2/3 the dosage to see. It lasted 13 hours which was a bit much for me, if I do it again I'm gonna have sleeping pills on hand to assist the comedown. Felt residual anti-depressant effect for 4 or 5 days after I was back on baseline, and that was very useful.

With the way you're talking up T-2 I'll have to check it out sometime :)
 
^ Retarded mistake sorry, post go bye-bye >.>

Sleep after 2C-E is definitely difficult, downers are a big helper. Glad it had the effect on you :)

T-2 is definitely one of my favourite 2c's but they're all to good to really compare to each other, it really helped me get over a lot of things that were just a burden to my sober mind. It's definitely worth a try, not everything comes with the first dose.. I've taken it about 18 times and I didn't even enjoy it until the 3rd dose. A lot of nausea I was getting was to do with these psychological issues and it was great to get rid of them.

This is a good read on the therapeutic value of t-2/t-7 if your interested
http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=1198
 
Sounds awesome, I will definitely give T-2 a try.

I do like methylone but haven't been able to procure it quite as easily as I can with meph.

This roll I'm on is very good, it is helping me tons with the self-therapy stuff. I'm surprised, I loved MDMA before but this roll has no amps in it and it's way more chill than any other rolls I've had. Been years since I did any, far too long, should do this like every 6 mos or so to keep my brain on track.
 
2C-E is beautiful in the day time - had some great day trips on it this last few weeks. You'll sleep just fine if you don't dose too late. Also, I'm not a fan of benzos to end a trip if you can avoid them - kinda muddies the cleanliness of your freshly laundered mind. Only a bit, but not using them is better than using them by at least that same bit.

There's a ton of threads on therapeutic use of psyches in PD - easiest to find is The Big & Dandy 'How have Psychedelics changed You' Thread - I'll leave you to discover the rest ;)
 
I should be getting some methylone sometime soon and from I hear it's pretty incredible, meph(powder) is one of the better empathogens imo but now that only crystal is available it's pretty average..

I've only ever had one good mdma experience because of the amount of bunk pills going around and it was absolutely incredible.. didn't really notice its therapeutic potential at the time but I can see how it would be great for it
 
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I can't stand methylone - incredibly short and mediocre buzz that comes with the worst comedown I have ever had in 20 years of heavy drug use. Some find the complete opposite though - bit of a love it or loathe it kinda thang. Better than meph, in my opinion... but they're best combined for me. I don't like either of 'em much but they are pretty tasty together.
 
yeah MDMA rules completely.

However meph is pretty awesome. It in no way compares to mdma, but it beats the crap out of a lot of chems.

I don't have much experience with M1 having only taken it once so I don't know how it relates, I enjoyed the buzz but I didn't get enough out of it, after it was over that was when I took 2c-e because it wasn't enough of a trip for what I was going for that night. But next time I do 2c-e I'm not going to dose at 9pm, i'm going to be doing it in the morning or something. took about two hours to kick in and then it kicked my ass for 13 hours, so I was well into the next day before it wore off and I could get some sleep.

I guess it all just comes with maturity and knowing what you're doing, when you first take stuff you don't know what to expect but once you've done something it is easier to prepare for it.j

This MDMA is definitely cleaning out my headspace of negative bullshit. I don't know why it had to go and end up getting scheduled, the self-therapy is way better than I'd ever get from spending time and money on a shrink. And as expensive as MDMA is, it is not as much at a therapy session when you don't have insurance, LMAO.

I've never done MDMA solo and never done it clean without amps, so this is a new experience for me and one that is probably going to change my perspective on a lot of things.
 
Just imagine what it could do in a therapy setting.

We just have to keep hoping that one day drug policies will be based on science and reason rather than ignorance and fear.

One day...
 
Shambles said:
I can't stand methylone - incredibly short and mediocre buzz that comes with the worst comedown I have ever had in 20 years of heavy drug use.
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I had a positive experience with it, but it did come down really fast and had no afterglow. The comedown wasn't bad at all for me but it didn't achieve what I'd set out to do for tripping that day, and so I did 2c-e immediately after its effects wore off. I would say that M1 was way more sociable for me than MDMA, I wanted to call everyone I knew to tell them how much I appreciated them. Without the amps in these MDMA pills I got, I just didn't have that edginess that I got from past E trips that generally provokes a need to be sociable and overly honest with others, but I did get that from M1 by itself.
 
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Any ideas on newer empathogens with as much therapeutic potential as say MDMA?

I generally only take downers on the rare occasion that I have commitments because 2C-E keeps me up long after I'm off it, though I haven't done it without many redoses..
 
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^ not sure, the only other empathogen that I know of that's come out recently is methylone, I didn't do a lot of it though, only got 100mg sampler. the MDMA I did last night was super therapeutic. I think if I combo molly and 2ce it would be very good for mental health, so that is something I want to try in the near future.
 
j00lz said:
drugs on their own and without qualified psychological guidance are unlikely to fully solve your problems.
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I do not entirely agree here, albeit psychological guidance is preferred and would obviously be optimal, I do not think it is a necessity. I think the dosage of said substance plays a large roll in the therapeutic value. With something such as LSD, I agree with the idea of psycholytic therapy (versus psychedelic therapy), which consists of multiple sessions (in clinical settings, a qualified psychologist is present in the entirety of the duration) of low - medium dosages (100 - 200 µg's) of LSD repeated on a various number of sessions.


j00lz said:
Do you know what their roots are?
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I will bring up the Freudian Iceberg model of the mind (in relation to consciousness), I think that traumatic events (which I am sure we could qualify the roots of depression as) transport themselves to the unconscious (subconscious) portion of the mind. Our mind has setup mental defenses (such as repression) that are stong enough to render the "victim" without memory of the incident, but with present conscious issues (such as anger, depression, etc.); essentially, I think if one were to fully comprehend and accept the roots of the issue, and how those roots affect their thought processes, the issue would resolve or atleast move to a state of remission.


j00lz said:
A rational understanding of the problem and its root does not resolve it... Ask yourself: "how does this make me feel"? And accept your feelings.
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I think that is partially contradictive, I believe that it takes fully understanding the root of the problem and the cause and effect to be able to accept it.

Anyway, I find LSD, 2C-E, and MDMA to be very therapeutic.

2C-E helped me extremely with bringing up a very traumatic set of events in my life, facing them, accepting them, and literally changing my life. A depression that had caused feeling of extremely low self-worth and a low self-image were caused by a small set of traumatic events that I had unconsciously repressed.
 
I have undiagnosed OCD, it is mild enough to easily hide it in my daily life but when I do certain drugs I'm in major OCD land, stuff keeps on repeating over and over in my head and I start making up nonsense words and weird rhymes and all sorts of stuff. I couldn't get my brain to shut up on 2c-e, and if I do a heavy sally trip then i'm stuck in some sort of loop too.

I didn't have any OCD on MDMA.

I wonder if there's some way to cure myself of it, generally my coping mechanism is to listen to music for hours on end, and then when I stop listening to music the OCD part of my brain just keeps playing it in the background and so it isn't super annoying, but that is why I can't listen to too much of the "stuck in your head" type songs because they really act up the OCD.

But I notice definitely that I check forums and check stats and check email and check text messages and can spend hours to checking stuff to see if something new has popped up.

I think this is why I really like dissociatives like K, N2O and DXM. I don't feel OCD at all on those, and thankfully on molly I don't either, I think that the mdma+amps gave me OCD still.

I also get OCD bad if I do too much mephedrone, so that could be a reason why it's so non-addictive and non-moreish for me while other people keep compulsively redosing. I'm very happy on 120mg or less as my brain is "quiet" at those levels, but more than that and I get too amped up and OCD starts going nuts.
 
^ Standard prescription for OCD is usually SSRIs - drugs that were designed to make sure you have a decent amount of serotonin a-sloshin' around yer noggin' at all times. What other drug has a similar effect far more intensely, considerably more briefly, and thankfully not at all shitely. Hmm...Similarly, one of the effects of large amounts/lengthy stints on dopimingastic stims is obsessive, compulsive thoughts, words and behaviours. Meph is more the latter but draws you in with the initial serotonin hit. The meph doses you use are probably light enough for a more balanced experience mostly so really notice it when you have bit extra - best way to be. Cheaper and lasts more than a day - win-win :)
 
^ yeah meph is pretty awesome...

The worst OCD I had was on a too large dose of 2ce where nonsense words kept repeating over and over again. Molly on the other hand was the opposite. So I want to try to combo them at some point. I just scored some more 2ce but now I don't have any molly but I need a few weeks anyway before doing molly again so it's all good.
 
^ Just out of curiosity have you done crystal/powder meph? Crystal meph is a pretty average stim imo but powder was one of the better empathogens that I've tried
 
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