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16 months on pods - Tapering completely in 4 weeks (log)
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Carl Landrover
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Do you have the 8mg or 2mg pills?
It's really difficult with the 8mg pills. With the 2mg pills it's a lot easier to split into quarters which are .5mg each. After that it's a matter of eye-balling it.
I suppose if you have the 8mg pills, you could try splitting it evenly and then breaking it into small piles from there or just trying to break up equal size piles. If you could get 1mg piles, then you could try breaking one of those up into piles of 5 to get .2mg.
It's much, much easier with the 2mg pills.
Wouldn't that gel up or lose potency after a day? It seems like it'd be hard to find the dose without wasting some suboxone.
It's really difficult with the 8mg pills. With the 2mg pills it's a lot easier to split into quarters which are .5mg each. After that it's a matter of eye-balling it.
I suppose if you have the 8mg pills, you could try splitting it evenly and then breaking it into small piles from there or just trying to break up equal size piles. If you could get 1mg piles, then you could try breaking one of those up into piles of 5 to get .2mg.
It's much, much easier with the 2mg pills.
Wouldn't that gel up or lose potency after a day? It seems like it'd be hard to find the dose without wasting some suboxone.
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If you use 32ml for 1 - 8mg sub you can measure .25mg per 1ml water. If you use .5ml water you can get .125mg, and so on.
Just get an eye/ear dropper with ml marks on it. Most petstores carry something that measures ml accurately and its so easy to do. I'd make up solutions however out of 1 pill at a time because if you store it for too long in liquid solution things tend to become unstable and break down with no preservatives. I'd imagine subs have some sort of water soluble preservative in the pills already as a filler, but in liquid solution it loses its strength. So as long as you make up 1 pill at a time and store the liquid you should be fine. Just make up fresh solution anytime you go through 8mg.
Carl Landrover
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How would you store the liquid so it doesn't lose strength?
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I think a day would be WAYY to quick. I'd think a few months minimum before it starts to break down, it could even be up to years in liquid depends on what preservative are already in the pill.
And I don't think suboxone is that unstable anyway as most opiates are salts and salts are neutral (made from acid base). Its when the ph gets too high or low that things start becoming unstable. Like creatine because its basically a base not a salt, if you know what I mean.
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I think if you only made up 8mg's at a time you'd be fine and it wouldn't lose any strength, like I said due to the fact its a salt it should be somewhat stable.
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Yep cold and dark will help a lot as well. If you wanna take it even further just freeze the solution and it will NEVER break down. It would take 5mins to thaw out the tiny an amount of solution, so if you wanna be positive its gonna be fresh you can also freeze it.
Carl Landrover
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And then you spray the solution under your tongue?
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Well if its in a spray bottle but its gonna be hard to find a spray bottle that tiny I think. Most likely you're just gonna take the eye dropper and just drop 1ml or a half a ml under your tounge and just try not to swallow for a couple minutes. That should be suffice enough as its already in liquid solution and should move fairly quickly into your bloodstream.
Also another great place to get mililiter droppers is almost any vitamin/health/nutrition store. So many of these stores sell cheap liquid vitamins that already have the droppers to measure, so you can pick them up there as well as pet stores.
Carl Landrover
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That's what I meant by spray since you had said syringe. I figured if I said shoot or something, you'd think I meant sticking it into something in your mouth. By your post I'm taking it that you'd move the liquid from the syringe to an eye-dropper? Still seems like it would be hard to dose since I imagine it would be awkward to look at the solution as you're dropping it under your tongue.
I think it seems a lot easier to just get 2mg pills then doing all that syringe business, but I guess some people can't get them.
I think it seems a lot easier to just get 2mg pills then doing all that syringe business, but I guess some people can't get them.
QuasiStoned
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I wonder if it might be a good idea to dissolve subs in alcohol. Do you guys think that it could aid in the sublingual absorption?
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Oh no if you HAVE syringes on hand thats by far the best way to measure. The syringes my dad uses for insulin are perfect as they measure in much finer increments than any droppers you'd get from a health store. Or even if you shoot dope those syringes will work perfect too.
Its honestly no easier or harder with the 2mg imho. The water is essentially doing all the work, all you need to do is standardize it to the potency you need. A 2mg pill will simply require less water than an 8mg, but than you'll be doing a lot more mixing (as you'll be going through that smaller amount faster) so I don't see either way as being better.
And as far as looking at the solution you don't. You pull up exactly what you need into the syringe and eject the ENTIRE amount into your mouth. Its only required to look at the syringe when you're pulling the sub solution into it, after that you just put it in your mouth and spray it. If you can get the 2mg then likewise you can even just break the pills, but to taper off sub successfully you need to get to really low doses, and I still like the idea of diluting with water. Whatever you like best I guess just go with that.
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Honestly I think some people will say a liquid is a liquid but you'll notice MANY research chem companies that legally sell viagra, clomid, ephedrine etc always usually DO use alcohol. And I'm assuming they use it because it does infact aid in absorption.
A great way to prove this is simply by pouring water through funnelled paper, and then pouring alcohol through funnelled paper. While the water will sit on the paper and slowly drip through, alcohol will pass through it WAYY quicker. So due to that I'd have to say alcohol would def increase absorption a lot. Orrr you can just hold the water in your mouth for longer. Just remember if you use alcohol to not use anything from home depot or a supermarket, as all those alcohols are denatured and poisonous. If you do it that way you'll need to get grain alcohol from a liquor store. You could prob just use vodka too as thats like half alcohol to begin. But grain is much closer to pure ethyl alcohol.
QuasiStoned
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^^^
Okay that's what I thought. Alcohol is so readily absorbed by all tissue in the body, so I would tend to think that it would probably be desirable to use it instead of water for something of this nature.
Okay that's what I thought. Alcohol is so readily absorbed by all tissue in the body, so I would tend to think that it would probably be desirable to use it instead of water for something of this nature.
Carl Landrover
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I've tapered off of sub 4 times now, you don't need to do anything with liquids or syringes to get to low doses. The first time I got off subs I only had the 8mg pills. Having and buying syringes seems opposite of the direction someone who has had a problem with IVing should go in imo.
If you have the 2mg pills it's much, much easier to just break them up and dose breaking the pill up into smaller amounts. Plus, having it in a syringe makes it harder if you have to dose at other places aside from your house. When you get to lower doses of sub, a lot of times you're taking little chunks or powder. Crushing the amount you're taking and rubbing the powder under your tongue makes it absorb quickly. The onset still takes a few minutes, but after a short time it's easy to see if you'd need more or if you'd be ok for the time being.
Wasn't there a really long thread in OD a while ago about that? People made it seem like it worked pretty well, save for the fact that the alcohol would sometimes burn under their tongue.
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missunderstood
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missunderstood
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