energy 2... nrg 2 new experience

[jezebella]

just in case anyone else is worried, i ended up turning a tiny bit blue after my mixing experience (i felt fine, just looked like i'd been tie-dying things in buckets and was colder and paler than usual) so rang NHSdirect, who got in a huge flap and made me promise to go to A&E (i was forced to promise to take a bus IF NOT A TAXI even though it's just about walking distance). after all that, the blue/purple had pretty much gone altogether by the time a doctor saw me and even being wildly unhealthy, terrified of blood pressure cuffs and in a total panic in case something actually was wrong with me my heart and pulse were fine.

so in summary, i basically spent £10 and nazi postage on:
a) not really getting high
b) looking like a crap extra whose crowd scene never made it into avataar
c) terrifying a random nurse by telephone
d) feeling ridiculous in A&E
e) having to listen to LITERALLY THE MOST MORONIC WAITING-ROOM CONVERSATION IN THE WORLD and reflecting that my brain was clearly doing better than many even post-frying
f) being sent home by a doctor who clearly thought i was some kind of neurotic housewife from the 50s for having turned up at all, and who charmingly stalked off when i reiterated the fact that i only went because their helpline reacted like i was trying to shock-paddle myself back to life off my mobile battery.

and i still have a dissertation experiment programme to write. frankly, i'd rather i HAD felt like god or woken up in hell or whatever the sun got their knackers in a twist about, at least then i might feel like i'd achieved something.

oh wait, there was ONE positive if you're into "live autopsy"-type stuff: i was actually quite interested in how many veins we have in our hands. that was literally the most interesting thing about the entire experience for me.

 

[jezebella]

also, that glial cell shit sounds demented. not my specialist subject, but i did have to pass an exam on this stuff this year and that doesn't even echo any sense.

 

[narky1]

Sorry I know this off topic but as its the most recent post , Iam Looking for a bit of advice chaps,

I have been a proper coke fiend for the last 20 odd years , have a naughty tolerance to it , and will go through 4 or 5 grams all to myself over a 7 or 8 hours and thats of quality gear Iam in spain where mephedrone is still legal
and just ordered a 5 gram bag for openers which has been delivered. all the chatter in the Uk over the last year or so has me intrigued so went ahead and will be doing it for first time this weekend.
Couple of questions based on fact that I can easily toot 200mg of fine flake
every half hour and acknowledging my well groomed capabilities in the gear
+ big tolerance to pills/speed/mdma,.

Firstly seeing as I love me sniff what kind of size lines should I rack up with this meph lark and what will be the effect Iam likely to experience on it compared to gear,

cheers to any responses

 

[jezebella]

Jezebella - please explain what happened, including size of doses taken, a trip report would be appreciated.
Sounds like you had a cocktail of drugs was it because of that?
i.e have you ever done it just on it's own and if so what were the effects?

sorry for crap replying order, i am new and a bit useless.

A) i never did sparkle, but that sounded much better than this was. maybe they just stick the same glitter in though.

B) amounts - i always stick things in vegecaps off ebay so think of it that way, but probably a total amount about the same size as your average generic-brand (not the giant 500mg) painkiller capsules from boots or the supermarket or whatever. i don't even know if i'd desribe it as a "trip", i was just a bit speedy but unproductive - i used to be able to get really into work and paintings on meph, ditto with spliffs and downers when i was younger, whereas this just resulted in stupid internet compulsion playing lexulous on facebook and thinking about words i could make with all the letters even when i'd dragged myself off the computer and was trying to relax, let alone sleep. i really want some proper chemicals, i mean yeah we might all die or grow extra limbs or something from not knowing about them, but i can deal with the whole damaging-yourself if you get an actual trade-off, like enjoying it while you're doing it. felt the same (ie, underwhelmed) with NRG1 and 2, both separately and together, but i think it's the 2 that sent me funny colours, that's actually never happened to me before.

 

[Alcyone]

Complete bollocks?

Not at all. Everything appears to be true and scientifically correct. The only flaw is that the first sentence, about research chemicals, is completely unrelated to the rest of the text.

The neuregulins (abbreviated NRG1 through 4) exist, but they have nothing to do whatsoever with the RC drugs NRG-1 and NRG-2. Neuregulins are proteins involved in the regulation of nerve cell growth. So essentially you are correct, it's complete and utter bollocks. I can't believe that anyone will buy anything from the people feeding us with such crap.

Clever vendor. Very clever.

Edit: After LovedUpRaver's post was edited by mods, my answer doesn't seem to make much sense. It relates to the original text in LovedUp's post, which was copied from a vendor's website (which again was partially copied from wikipedia and pasted into the wrong context). I understand it was necessary to edit his/her post, of course.

 

[Shambles]

Narky: Exactly the same size as everyone in EADD told you. Mephedrone is not cocaine so your fondness and propensity for the chang have precisely sod all to do with the fact that meph is not to be sniffed at. Literally cos it burns like fuck :D

But I really hope that once enough people have said the same thing you will just accept it and put your big ol' coke cock away cos it's irrelevant and impressing noone. Thinking that bombing a gram of meph with a 500mg line chaser is anything short of stupidly suicidal is... well... stupidly suicidal. 100mg lines are enough for most. 200mg if you like to sweat profusely, talk utter bollocks, drool and find your eyeballs examining the back of your skull at high, wiggly velocity. You can always take more if it's not enough. You'll be racking up lines till it's gone anyway so no rush

I found this on a research chemicals vendor's site:

'NRG-2 has been confused (probably deliberately) with the fact that NRG-1 (aka Neuregulin 1) is also the name of a naturally occurring protein found in the human body. They are in no way connected. Not even a teeny weeny lil bit. Nor is NRG-2. They are all totally different chemicals..'

Complete bollocks? Not much of a chemist so dosn't really make much sense to me. Just wondered if any one understands this better than I do an can possibly shed some light on what this site is saying about NRG2. The site seems to be suggesting that NRG2 is similar to NRG1, which is the main reason I think its just a load crap.

It's utter bollocks and I had to edit it cos when you quote great chunks of text from vendor sites you may as well be naming them.

PS:

Shambles i always listen to you as you know your stuff what would you advise as a good starting dose then isaid earlier i would do 50 mg bombed in a rizla but that now souns a bit to much maybe 20mg would suffice what do you think ?

I wasn't kidding - 1mg should be the starting point for every batch of any RC you receive even if it's from the same vendor every time. Obviously we don't all live up to that ideal all the time but when you're dealing with a complete unknown you'd be an idiot not to, to put it bluntly. At worst a dead idiot. We have no idea whatsoever what this chemical is so the importance of starting very low and working up gradually cannot be overstated. I'll be starting with 1mg and take it from there myself. What you choose to do is your business but I would suggest that it's maybe better to be underwhelmed, alive and well than fucked up and wishing you'd been more careful.

 

[narky1]

Oy Shambles,

First of mush I aint trying to impress no one Iam just telling people the score with me and logically wanted to know if there is some comparison with coke as I thought
some background on me would help answer the question so need to get flash
and rude, I was looking for some genuine advice on the subject coz theres a thousand opinions on the web and Iam looking for someone to help me out
and Ive never touched meph before.

So dont get your knickers in a twist tiger!!

 

[jezebella]

oh bloody hell, here we go again! narky:

basically, just buy some and try it. personally i tend to assume that if you can generally deal with a broad class of drug, you're not taking MAOIs or whatever that can very specifically and drug-leaflet-announcedly fuck you over, and aren't cursed from birth, you will *probably* be ok experimenting with similarish stuff, which i expect is what most people go on when it comes down to it. knowing what drugs feel like are probably also helpful in term with dealing with bad trips, because much as you think you're going to die or something you also know that you'll probably be through the worst of it in a few hours (plus, my inevitable feeling when i'm just pissed off at feeling rubbish of "well surely if it was going to kill me, it would have happened by now so fuck the world").

but basically of course no-one can tell you what's going to happen, you can be randomly allergic to all sorts of stuff (most memorably my friend at school, projectile-stile all over my living room after literally about half a spliff, that was a traumatic night) but if you do drugs generally and are clearly happy to risk your health to do so (as we all do) then try it. some people love it (i certainly did) some people hated it and got blue knees, some people think NRG-1 is a great replacement but i spent this morning in A&E with it. at least meph is generally better-known and not as suspiciously-plugged so yeah if it's around then stash it, but don't bomb a whole bag. it's a fairly normal come-up time (unlike the NRG bollocks around now) so i'm sure you'll be able to tell how much you want.

 

[Shambles]

I go commando so twisted knickers are never an issue, Narky

Blame the excess verbosity on the 2C-E - I'm lovely most of the time honest injun. I've seen so many posts virtually identical to yours asking the same thing with the same shonky reasoning that I find ways to entertain myself whilst answering them sometimes. No serious narkiness was intended, Narky. The answer will stay the same however many threads you ask it in and hopefully all the second opinions will help you avoid much potential unpleasantness

Fun fact for the day: "Mush" is the Romany (or Gypsy if you prefer) term for "beloved man". Funny how Romany terms of affection - chav (meaning "child") being the prime offender - are turned on their head like that. Maybe it wasn't all that fun but it retains its facthood

 

[hopki1309]

i take Fluoxetine which is an ssri would that have any effect when taking NRG-2 i am trying to get as much info as i can before tomorrow when it arrives

 

[jezebella]

hopki - hah, i am part of the same elite club, though have never had problems with it generally on drugs i know what i'm doing with. BUT for goodness' sake don't do it if you've started on them recently or something, because although you could be fine they can take some getting used to so stuff effects you stronger than normal. (this is how i ended up confined to a beanbag in the library at uni once - same drinking etc as usual but it knocked me for six a couple of weeks into 20mg a day, and then i was fine again when i was used to it).

plus all the usual stuff about come-downs and depression, especially given no-one knows much about it and reports are very mixed.

 

[Zigourney]

just got home from work and in a couple of hours will be doing some NRG2 via the bomb method...no nostril business for me thanks..honestly I don't know how anyone can snort anything..its just not my cuppa tea.

Going to have a small meal now ..I always have a small meal about 2-3 hours before doing any drugs cos I know once I'm high the appetite is gone out the window for hours!!

Will update soon...

 

[Alcyone]

@ hopki and jezebella... Nobody has a clue what's in NRG-2, but if it's really 5-IAI or some other substance with serotonin releasing activity, it will interact with fluoxetine and other SSRIs. Hopefully, the interactions wouldn't be dangerous or harmful - there's even some research indicating that SSRIs reduce the neurotoxicity of MDMA - but it's likely that the drugs would partially cancel out each other's effects. However, we can't exclude the possibility of harmful or potentially fatal interactions (e.g. serotonin syndrome), simply because we can't predict the pharmacodynamics of NRG-2 without knowing what's in it. Now I don't want to sound like anyone's mother, but please be careful, girls.

 

[hopki1309]

I don't want to sound stupid but what is serotonin syndrome ?

 

[Alcyone]

I don't want to sound stupid but what is serotonin syndrome ?

Asking questions is never stupid. I could try to explain it, but there's an excellent entry on serotonin syndrome on Wikipedia. Or you could also google it. Basically, it's a life-threatening condition caused by excessive serotonin activity in the brain, brought on by drug interactions or overdosage. I'm not saying that it's a likely side effect of combining NRG-2 with SSRIs, but NRG-2 is an unknown drug to the point where we don't know what it contains, and we really don't know what effects and interactions it could cause.

 

[jezebella]

alcyone - yeah, in that you can get serotonin syndrome randomly just reacting badly one day but in general SSRIs are less dodgy to combine with things than MAOIs which (the last time a chemist thought, "oh dear, this one's a bit mental, i'd better talk to her extra carefully about how you shouldn't take lots of pills with bad vodka if you feel sad", anyway - i love how "normal" customers have started losing it with them about that these days) you have to be careful with even around herbal stuff, even if your body is generally fairly resistant to your fanciful ideas of what might be fun to give it.

and to be fair i do kind of think that much as harm reduction is obviously better than a nihilistic chemical assault-course, at the end of the day (i believe that is how you announce Common Sense these days) we're all here because we're taking drugs and however misguided that may be to varying extents in varying situations, no-one's forcing us to jump out of a plane knowing that the parachute might not open.

yes, drugs (in general, "hard" and "soft" - certainly my mate on cannabis was a revelation when it never entered my head you could react to that like some people can't eat peanuts or random cheeses) are risky. yes, someone could take the one pill statistically more lethal than horse-racing or whatever it was, and yes i'd be worried if its recipient was underage and had never done anything more than haribo before, particularly if it looked like a rock of crack especially imbued with AIDS for the occasion... BUT it seems ridiculous to know we all run a risk on that spectrum and still kind of go "oooh, you don't wanna do that" to other people on the off-chance that the one person reading your post is about to walk into some kind of flogging-a-dead-horse metaphor AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

i can only offer my experience with the same SSRI (which i've had at various doses over the years and definitely learnt my own way around in terms of drug interactions) which seems to be ok for most of the people most of the time. so yeah, in my world i reckon someone else ACCUSTOMED to it would probably be all right as long as they were careful, although this thing does so little for me (compared to other things also at this dose) that i would add a disclaimer that stamp-collecting might well be a lot more fun. anyone not high would probably find us all equally dull either way if my mother's tales of having to write down all the 60s Deep Shit her friends thought they would say on acid is anything to go by, she now kind of thinks deep down that anyone on drugs just stares at the colours in carpet for hours. back to the actual point, i think the main thing to watch out in terms of antidepressants (other than sudden death, obviously) is the come-down. if you're on shaky ground anyway or it makes you reflect on general sad stuff then that is probably more counterproductive in the long-term goal of Managing At Life because you don't really get to practice it properly if you take too much too regularly or because you think it'll just go and if you can get through a certain time-period high then the rain will go away and come again another day. plus any kind of risky behaviours in combination tend to make stuff feel worse over all, so if you're working your way through a CBT book at the beginning end and up in a parish hall for an NA meeting, you clearly need to reassess things. little and often and honestly and without beating yourself up too much if you can.

 

[Zigourney]

ok the NRG2 came in a silver vacuum sealed bag, similar to how PC hard drives and memory modules are packed. Its got a yellow sticker saying NRG2 1 Gram.

Have opened it and its a white crystaly powder thats slightly clumpy i.e. sticking together ever so slightly. Have done a little finger dip...yes my initial referral to the pussy finger dip and it tastes nasty...similar to mephedrone...bitter and extremely salty/bitterish (I know thats not even a word).

Like a previous poster said the mass looks like much more than a 1 gram of any other powder.

So its me and my cousin thats doing it..we're going for 250mg each bombing it in some rizzla. Have also prepared a shisha (a 3ft high Egyption bong) for the come down later on in the night.

just preparing the bombs now...

 

[goku4ever]

Assuming its not too late, do not do that 250mg bomb
Sure 1mg may be fine, but 50mg or so may give an intense effect.
Take your time with experimenting

 

[Alcyone]

Jezebella, I really enjoy reading your posts. I'll have to admit I tend to agree with you, although I'm having a bit of trouble following your reasoning (that might just be my near-empty bottle of red wine starting to kick in).

It's a fine line I'm walking, isn't it? Trying to do harm reduction without coming across as a righteous bitch. Well I try my best and I'm learning along the way.

You seem know what you're doing. I've got a fair idea of what I'm doing too these days, regarding drugs, but there was I time when I too was young and acting irresponsible (hell, by most people's standards I still am). I was in my teens in the ealy nineties when E was all the rage, God knows I've done my share of drugs and and sometimes it seems like a miracle that I got through it with my brains reasonably intact. Most of my friends from back then didn't fare that well.

Responsible drug use is what it's all about. It's the people who don't really know what they're doing that I'm hoping to reach. I'm not trying to save the world or anything.

 

[Zigourney]

ok so we divided 2x 250mg heaps and it looks like there is so much more than 250mg each....so we decided to be more careful and are now going for 125mg bomb each.

Have just swallowed 125mg bomb each in a rizzla bomb with some water..time is 9.35pm

will continue to update....

9.50pm nothing so far..just listening to some garage music
9.53pm - feeling slight anxiety ...same as when I do pills or mephedron whilst anticipating and waiting for it to come on
10.02pm feel the urge to stretch...something is happening ever so slightly in the background....hearing is starting to go (meaning its going slightly digital and high notes i.e. trebles are more noticeable.

10.07pm just bombed another 125mg each in rizzla
10.08 pm feeling slightly ambient mephedrone/E's type of come on..its ever so light....its not gripping me like I want it to. Its just there in me and around me in the room.

Have now changed my music to progressive house....usually when put on proggy stuff it comes on quicker.

forgot to mention earlier, both our pupils are very dilated...dry mouth has kicked in and we are just sipping on water every now and again.

10.27pm just come from the toilet, went for a slash, my kitchen and toilet wall colour is a buttercup cream colour almost yellow. whilst I was pissing the cream/yellow wall color turned more into a bright yellow and I was enjoying the minute or so peaceful silence in the toilet. I was hearing and enjoying the silence...it was so nice. Came back to my bedroom and my cousin is getting frustrated, saying that it hasn't kicked in hard enough like mephedrone does! best way to describe is its not gripping the muscles...thers no jaw tightning/gurning but the buzz is just ambient waiting to come on but doesn't.

Think we both anticipated euphoria but there is none so far. But I am buzzing and feel displaced.

10.42 pm heart beat keeps increasing and then feels like it slows down.

10.44pm my cousin is doing all sorts to bring it on harder, he's dancing, then doing press ups then dancing...he cant enjoy it for what it is..but I can...for me its mellow and feels like the initial grip from a crap E'buzz but I seem to be just chilling on it. I have the urge to close my eyes and drift away like I do on when I bomb mephedrone but its not nearly intense.

10.58pm me and my cousin chatting and discussing the strength of this stuff. Its no way as strong as mephedrone. disappointing really as there was so much talk about it being so powerful.

11.35 pm Me and my cousin braved it and decided to snort a small pea size blob. So we both snorted a pea size blob in each nasal..felt it come up again really quick and now have bombed another 100mg each and we are in the same state as we started..feeling the buzz renew again. I can feel my head drugged up and want to drift away again....going to close my eyes now and see if I can drift away relaxing all my muscles in my body... really loving these progressive house music at the mo.

12.13am the peak from the redose is wearing off now but its still ambient and mellow.

12.30 am going for my 3rd slash now...when I do meph or E's I would of gone to the toilet about 6 to 7 times by now

1.03 Both of us have this warm hollow feeling at the bottom of our stomachs. its not uncomfortable or anything, I feel a touch bloated. My cousin doesn't have the bloated feeling. For me its starting to wear off now, he's still feeling ambient. There is no hard come down its just gradually fading for me.

1.12 am We're going to light the Shisha and have a few puffs on some flavoured tobacco. Then at around 2.30 am I will build up a spliff and smoke that. when I came home from work I was thinking about the buzz and what I have read about this stuff, especially where people were saying it keeps you awake for days because its such a powerful stimulant...so I picked up some skunk before hand. I always enjoy a spliff on the come down and it should help me fall asleep.

3.30 my cousin went home at 3.15, he only lives around the corner and I went in my car for a smoke. Had a whole spliff to myself and I made sure I smoked all of it even though by the time I got through half of the spiff I was completely fucked out my. I came in my bedroom and took my pc out of herrbination and the music carried on playing iio at the end full version on my winamp and Im just so smashed its mad i cant even write anything on here I am so strugling to write this without the spell check trying to correct all my spelling mistskes and me going in and out of consciousness and having to read what i wrote 20 mtimes over to see if it made any sense my head feels over come with a spliff rush crashing into the come down and just draggin my mental state of mind i am just bopping my head side to side on my armchair the sound is crystal clear trying to write this at 330am and im looking at the clock in the bottom right of my screen and its says 4.09m i cant even touch type anymore more i feel spaced out and my is rushing from the top down to the temple on my head i cant even focus i keep closing my eyes and loosing track of time time i got the ipod ready a and just about to get into bed gonna listen to duanne barrys cosmic refractions number 14 im all slowed down like all the words in the songs right now are stretched out im hitting my bed now its 4.36