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The Big & Dandy N,N-DMT Extraction Thread - Elves are watching

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Teotzlcoatl said:
damn elf-crack smokers
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Apparently DMT is only okay to consume if done orally with an MAOI, and then only if using one of several specific plants pre-ordained to be valid by natives of the Amazon. And you have to be standing on your right foot, and drink the brew on the second full moon of the year, on odd years only - a brew which has been stirred by not one, not three, but two whiskers shaved from the face of a tiger with a razor formed of volcanic metal.

Did I forget anything, oh great Prophet of the Appropriateness of Psychedelic Drugs? I want to make sure I'm not sinning by not using DMT in exactly the same way some natives used it (natives who were using the methods available to them. As we use the methods available to us).

You know, the entire world isn't in the region of the amazon river basin. It's pretty silly to think that everyone should conform to the way they consume their entheogens. I bet they'd think it was silly to try to force their way upon the entire world, too.
 
Well I agree with that actually. Well they're about tied, except I don't like the fiendy reference with elf-crack. But DMT is better. :) Or elf-spice.
 
Its systematic name is 2-(1H-indol-3-yl)-N,N-dimethylethanamine. Dimethyltryptamine is, itself, a shortened name to make it more convenient to discuss. By the naming scheme that wording comes from, its 'proper name' is N,N-Dimethyltryptamine, so you're still shortening it yourself. I don't understand why you speak with such arrogance assuming your own habits are the only possible reasonable ones when you have no basis in fact for such a belief.

I like how you've gone from randomly shitting on an active functional thread with a silly pejorative name for it to criticizing others for using anything but the "proper" name. By "I like...", what I really mean is "I find absolutely obnoxious and prototypical of your pathological narcissism...", but that made the sentence structure awkward. Please go away unless you have either a question or an answer regarding DMT extraction.

To others: sorry for the diversion, please scroll up past this Teo nonsense and take a gander at my question.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
I don't understand why people don't call it what it is... Dimethyltryptamine.
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Man what the fuck is a tryptamine, or a methyl, or a carbon, or any type of atom anyway? That's all just short-hand labels we slap on to actual phenomenon, it doesn't mean shit we could call it an "elephant tango battery" and it wouldn't change what it is.

Following your logic, why not refer to a compound strictly as an amalgamation of its quark-gluon nuclei and lepton cloud constituents?

Matter is matter is matter is matter: a rose by any other name would just be a rose with a different name, ya dig?
 
solistus said:
What was that dark brown material? Our theory was that he did *too* good a job supersaturating the solvent so some of the plant impurities also crashed out. If that's the case, using more naptha should prevent the impurities crashing out. Is that what's going on, or did he do something else wrong? The material hadn't finished drying last I heard, so he's not sure if it will come out with a waxy or powdery consistency, but if it's still waxy, what would y'all recommend? The naptha was a deep/dark amber, like an ale, before the recrystallization, and after straining all the precipitates out, it was a much lighter amber, more like a lager.
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the brown gunk on the bottom is the result of recrystalizing.

Its fats, tannins, other alkaloids perhaps.

Anytime ive recrystalized the result has been brown gunk at the bottom of the shot glass.

In the future i recomend the 1:1 ratio, and then you can skip all these extra steps you had to go through.
DMT will drop from the first pull in a regular freezer (considering you stirred the bottle properly and used the ratio that was recomended ).

maybe you could use half the lye, like you mentioned, in a A/B extraction. But seriously, take it from someone with experience, 1:1 has never failed me.
Anf for $4 you can get 2lbs of lye, so its not a dent in the pocket or anything.
 
The difference is in the 'remainder' of the 99% pure aspect.
The 1% should be compounds which are allowed in foodstuffs for Food-grade reagents. With technical (or Pro-analysis or Pro-Synthesis, for that matter) it could be anything, mostly what's left from the source from which it came. For instance: Benzene from coke (distilled coal) production has a fair amount of Naphthalene as a contaminant, whereas benzene from synthesis should have other contaminants.
The stuff is then sold in bulk to a chemical company who will clean it up. If the cleanup was very good, it'll be labelled 'P.a.', if less the label 'technical' will be slapped upon it. If analysis shows it has no toxic contaminants, 'food-grade'.

Hope this helps!
 
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swim was wondering - in the uk they are finding it tricky to obtain certain chems for MHRB extraction - are there particular brand names for limonene, naptha, 10% ammonia etc in the uk? google shopping isnt that useful....
 
all you need is MHRB sodium hydroxide/caustic soda/na0h (all the same thing) and ronsonol lighter fuel and obviously some other equipment, whatever lighter fuel you use evapourate a small bit to make sure it evaps clean and no reidue is left

UTFSE for the rest
 
what's the longest anyone's left plant material in an acidic solution? I friend of mine just received a decent amount of liquid like this and was curious as to whether or not it would still be useful? I imagine the dmt salt (probably the acetate as we think muriatic acid was used to acidify the solution) are pretty stable. The containers are amber and have been stored away from light and excessive heat. I think there would likely be relatively little degradation, but am not exactly sure.
 
So I followed this STB Tek http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding...-mhrb-stb-extraction-step-step-pictorial.html. Instead of lovely crystals I got yellow goo.

Was only 100g of bark so no catastrophe and if you keep spreading it and balling it up it becomes more or less manageable, if not exactly portable.

Internet says it's oxide form and recommends zinc powder and extra chemistry but at these yields I would rather smoke the goo and try again. Hoping to see if anyone can suggest why it happened and how to avoid it happening again.

Comments,questions, suggestions?
 
What is the proper way to dispose of one's lye and mimosa mixture? Is the sink out of the question?
 
any major dude said:
what's the longest anyone's left plant material in an acidic solution? I friend of mine just received a decent amount of liquid like this and was curious as to whether or not it would still be useful? I imagine the dmt salt (probably the acetate as we think muriatic acid was used to acidify the solution) are pretty stable. The containers are amber and have been stored away from light and excessive heat. I think there would likely be relatively little degradation, but am not exactly sure.
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im a little confused as to what exactly you have in your possession.

ive kept mimosa in basified water for months and was still able to extract DMT from it fine.
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What is the proper way to dispose of one's lye and mimosa mixture? Is the sink out of the question?
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toilet works well for me.
Lye is sold as drain cleaner after all.
 
That was my reasoning, but I thought I read something to the contrary. Anyway, thank you friend, down the toilet it goes!
 
Delsyd said:
im a little confused as to what exactly you have in your possession.

ive kept mimosa in basified water for months and was still able to extract DMT from it fine.
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Basically some ground mimosa in the acidic phase of a simple A/B tek. Apparently this guy just never got around to extracting a fair amount of mimosa he'd ordered, went into some kinda transitional period where he didn't want to be doing it any more and gave it all to a friend of mine. Some was basified & naptha added, but hasn't been evaporated yet. There do appear to be some crystals that have formed but some may be water ice thats condensed in the freezer and sunk. Naptha was added to some while still acidic. Defatting really isn't necessary with mimosa bark, but as muriatic acid may have been used for the acidic phase, it may be soluble in naptha before basification. I don't really know how useful the acetate would be, just curious if it'll migrate into the naptha from an acidic solution.
 
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