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avcpl

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(Note all experience were with good, clean, strong pills--pokeballs or equivalent)


My first roll with one pill was great. For the second I thought, hmmm, I'll probably need a little more this time so took a pill and a half. Knocked me on my ass.

A few rolls later I was up to two pills. Still decent roll.

My last roll, I wanted to roll ballz, so THREE pokeballs! Darn good roll, still not what I was looking for.

After a three month break--more pokes, but this time....instead of upping the ante, we dropped back down to two pokes. Finally, hit us hard like we've been wanting!

SO, if you are afraid your tolerance is going up. Don't panic just yet. MDMA is an odd bird. Getting the right dosage for the right person is critical. Less really can be more.

AND, taking more can make it seem like the pills are either weak or bad because you are not getting the roll you want and getting a worse comedown from excessive mdma!


It's counter-intuitive to other drugs we've used, but it's worth a shot to maybe try less next time instead of increasing!




EDIT: damn, can't edit the incorrect "you're" in the title
 
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The three month break is what knocked you on your ass.

Everyone knows that if you want to roll harder, give your body the break it deserves, and let your brain heal and regenerate neurotransmitters
 
avcpl said:
SO, if you are afraid your tolerance is going up. Don't panic just yet. MDMA is an odd bird. Getting the right dosage for the right person is critical. Less really can be more.
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I completely agree with this, especially since your high will not be linearly dependent on the amount you take. I think I kinda subconsciously came to this conclusion after my previous roll, definitely gonna give it a shot next time and take less that I usually do. :)
 
Less is certainly more with mdma. You don't need to take ridiculous amounts of the drug to get positive and wonderful effects. In fact taking high doses can prove to be uncomfortable and disorienting rather than just increasing the positive attributes.

I truly believe there is a point with mdma where taking more just isn't going to get you any higher, once you've reached that ceiling you are just putting a greater toll on your body and making the negative effects more pronounced.
 
I have been doing this for 2 years....

1-2 caps of molly is still enough for me...

And considering that a large part of the beginning of my use was on the level of a weekend thing thats pretty good....
 
Taking longer breaks is very important....Its far more crucial to but space in between your uses then to up your dose with more beans...

However consistency of the product your taking is also crucial to a good roll. 3 beans may be just as strong as 2 of another stamp.
 
purplefirefly said:
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What are you saying "nope" to then? You don't think that your breaks contributed to the fact that you were able to roll harder?
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He was inferring that it wasn't the correct dosage that made the roll so good that it was the fact that I took a break. But I had been taking breaks before all the other rolls so that wasn't it; the breaks were controlled for.
 
MasterSplinter said:
Taking longer breaks is very important....Its far more crucial to but space in between your uses then to up your dose with more beans...

However consistency of the product your taking is also crucial to a good roll. 3 beans may be just as strong as 2 of another stamp.
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Nope; was the same stamp.

My rolls are very very consistant as to setting, partner, music, mood, etc.
Finding the right dosage really made a difference. I'm hoping it does for others too before they just try upping their dose to try to find what they are looking for.
 
avcpl said:
Nope, the roll before that I had a three month break, and before that one I had a four month break.
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gotchaa. Didn't know that, the only break you mentioned in the original post was the time you took 2. When you took 3, you took all 3 at once or no? I've double dropped pokies and i was in the fuckin sky and with crazy ADD and short term memory lol (rolled ten times total, started 12 months and 1 day ago)
 
Yeah, I guess I should have included more info, but I didn't want to bog down the post with too many specifics. There are some little differences between all my rolls, but I was just shocked that after increasing and increasing the lower amount ended up being more satisfying.

It would have been a big mistake to take even more than three pokeballs (I didn't do them quite all at once, two at first then one a little bit later).

But your point is well taken and I totally agree that a break is part of the whole equation--without a decent break I wouldn't have had a good roll either by increasing OR by decreasing!

So my perfect formula for us is 1.5 pokes with the .5 taken a half-hour into the roll. Then no more! I don't even have any more out. Because in the past I would feel so good that I wanted to keep it going and take more, but it didn't help or make anything better.

Oh, and another important fact--it was also the longest roll we ever had too! (but we did potentate the last two hours with a bit a weed and hits of nitrous--that really works well). Seven and a half-hours from drop to "we're done"! :)
 
Personally, when I take a break of a month or more and take 200 mg of molly, and snort about 50, I'm in exactly the right place. Taking more than that usually results in me rolling too hard to want to move much. I'd end up just sitting in a chair/laying down and listening to music.
 
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Sure maybe you were able to roll but keeping that regimen for any amount of time is more than likely going to lead to some trouble. You aren't giving your body and brain any time to recover and drinking smoothies isn't quickening the healing process. Smoothies for example do not replenish serotonin.

I do not recommend rolling on a weekly basis. Just because you don't feel harm doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
 
Though I think time is always the BEST solution, piracetam has helped many, including my boyfriend- he was up to 7 pills in a night (he's about 6'7" and 240 as well) even though we were waiting a couple months in between rolling....last Saturday, we went out, and he took 2 pills the whole night and felt just as good (also note, they were pure "molly" MDMA). I acknowledge piracetam hasn't solved this problem for everyone, but it does help most people.
 
I agree that taking less equals more, but it's a slightly different reason for me. Part of what makes a roll great for me is dancing, meeting new people, enjoying my environment and having deep conversations with friends. If I take too much I get super unmotivated to do anything but sit and roll hard and barely interact, so I miss out on the things I like best and end up having not as great of time that I'd have if I had taken less. Like they say, your environment is a big factor in your roll and if you can't enjoy your environment because you're floored... well, that could effect your roll a bit.
 
avcpl said:
Yeah, I guess I should have included more info, but I didn't want to bog down the post with too many specifics. There are some little differences between all my rolls, but I was just shocked that after increasing and increasing the lower amount ended up being more satisfying.

It would have been a big mistake to take even more than three pokeballs (I didn't do them quite all at once, two at first then one a little bit later).

But your point is well taken and I totally agree that a break is part of the whole equation--without a decent break I wouldn't have had a good roll either by increasing OR by decreasing!

So my perfect formula for us is 1.5 pokes with the .5 taken a half-hour into the roll. Then no more! I don't even have any more out. Because in the past I would feel so good that I wanted to keep it going and take more, but it didn't help or make anything better.

Oh, and another important fact--it was also the longest roll we ever had too! (but we did potentate the last two hours with a bit a weed and hits of nitrous--that really works well). Seven and a half-hours from drop to "we're done"! :)
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haha I agree. That is a pretty good formula. 135(ish)mg to boot, plus an extra 45mg for a little kick. I would say thats pretty ideal for us folk with less of a tolerance. 125mg seems to be most people's (on this forum) sweetspot.

Your forumula is actually close to what I'm planning on doing next roll: 1.5 pokeballs with my gf prior to entering that club. Then when I leave the club to go to the hotel with my girlfriend several hours later, I'll drop another whole pokeball. Thats what my plan was but I'm hoping its not just a waste of a bombass pill and money.
 
There are a lot of variables involved, tolerance being a large piece of the picture but a piece nonetheless. I'm really glad you took a break like that, though. :D Good, responsible usage leads to a longer relationship with miss Molly.

And nobody likes breakups.
 
purplefirefly said:
I truly believe there is a point with mdma where taking more just isn't going to get you any higher, once you've reached that ceiling you are just putting a greater toll on your body and making the negative effects more pronounced.
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Exactly the way I feel about it as well.
 
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