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Anybody have a Buprenorphine Doctor like mine?

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K'd-OUT-in-AZ

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I was wondering if anybody else out there who is prescribed Subutex/Suboxone has a real "super-sobriety" doctor like mine who won't allow any addictive substance possible. His saying is this, "If you are on any drug that can be potentially abused, you will eventually relapse". He was real hard on me about my Klonopin prescription which I had to lie to him that I was tapering for months until I now just say I take it very rarely which of course he shuns. Now he is getting on me about the Adderall that I'm prescribed, in which he wants me off now. He actually wrote "NO ADDERALL" on a prescription pad so that I'd stop it immediately. He also wrote up a urine test prescription so that he can see that I am no longer on amphetamines. He told me, if my test shows up positive and continue to take it he won't be able to work with me anymore. "Tell your doctor to take you off these drugs or I will no longer be your doctor"

He sees me weekly now and have to take a urine test as well until all drugs no longer show up. I NEED an ADHD drug so I figure switch to a methylphenidate drug that won't show up when I see my psych the day after. No my psych doesn't know I am on Suboxone but there is a reason for that, they don't prescribe things that you actually may really need, abuse potential or not. But thats off subject.

What I really wanted to know was, does anybody have a bupe doctor like this as well or am I the only unfortunate one? Thanks for listening to this.
 
I'm not on bupe, but a few of my good friends are.

My one friend went through two pain management specialists before landing on his third and final one. I doubt you're the only one with such an arse for a doc, does your insurance allow you to switch up specialists?
 
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I know of someone on Bupe, they have pot in their system and the doc don't care.

The truth about bupe is this, it's only meant for a 3 day detox... because those 3 days are the hardest, since bupe has a long half life it'll cover you for another 1-2 days after you stop taking it.

By staying on it a long time, it's gonna be a long, shitty taper... And when you stop you WILL have withdrawls no matter what, and they are extremely shitty and extremely long.

I really feel bad for you bro, I'd just start tapering now
 
My doc won't allow any benzo's (even though i have a history of anxiety problems) or basically anything that has abuse potential. He doesn't even want me to drink. Went to see him recently and i had been prescribed muscle relaxers for a back problem and he wasn't happy. Didn't say i couldn't take it, but he also wouldn't be able to tell because they don't show up on drug screens, which by the way i have to have every time i see him. Its rough but you go to them to get clean and i think they're just doing their best to help with that, which is what you pay them for. But as far as the ADHD meds, that just seems a little too far. I thought not having my benzo's was cruel but denying you treatment for something like that seems wrong.

@Nexius: Bupe is NOT meant for a short taper. It is meant for long term maintenance. The relapse rate for people who use it for a short term taper is ridiculous. Part of the whole reason for being on it is to keep you from using because of its blocking effects, which gives you time to sort things out with your addiction. Suboxone isn't a cure for wd's, its a cure for addiction. Have you yourself been on suboxone? If not, you shouldn't give advice like that with no experience.
 
My bupe doc doesnt drug test at all. The first visit they bullshit you about taking some counseling but he never mentioned it again. He prescribed me ambien as well. Overall mine is cool but he is definatly in it only for the money.
 
Lando138 said:
@Nexius: Bupe is NOT meant for a short taper. It is meant for long term maintenance. The relapse rate for people who use it for a short term taper is ridiculous. Part of the whole reason for being on it is to keep you from using because of its blocking effects, which gives you time to sort things out with your addiction. Suboxone isn't a cure for wd's, its a cure for addiction. Have you yourself been on suboxone? If not, you shouldn't give advice like that with no experience.
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You can take heroin on suboxone, still get high and not go into WD

Naloxone is a very short acting chemical it's half life is about 1 hour, Naloxone is not absorbed well sublingual because there is minute amounts of it

All the naloxone is for is to deter IV use of bupe, which all in all, the Bupe is a stronger agonost than the naloxone not being as powerful of a antagonist.


I do know what I"m taking about

You need to go to rehab, not take a long term suboxone maintenance program... get through the withdrawls and get treatment

I'm a hardcore opiate addict of 6 years who detoxed myself because suboxone is so bad.

It's not a good drug

People DO relapse on it, people DO relapse afterwards

Get treatment to learn self control because you can't do it yourself, every opiate addict is to far gone to help themselves, I was too.


So lando, i've done suboxone I did it for a month and boy i wasn't a happy camper when i stopped taking it

You will realize what im takling about

I know these things through experience, watching other people who have done short term suboxone and long term

Many of the short term made it because they got help afterwards, where as the long term were still fooled that just because they were taking it for 2 years they'd be fine.

Well guess what, you're wrong.. It's still a opiate, It still acts on the same receptors and It still does the same thing.

Don't beleive everything a doctor tells you.

I'm also a 3rd year chemistry student, who's main study is pharmacology.
I've been studying pharmacology for 6 years I'm a CPhT (certified pharmachy tech) but that job just isn't for me, to many ignorant people.
I don't give wrong information

Check yourself
 
I will admit that I'm wrong, when I'm actually wrong.

Suboxone was developed for a 3 day detox.

It's just a game now for the pharmaceutical industry to make money, lots of money.

Many people fall into that trap
Go figure ^
 
It took me two tries to find a good pain management dr. They are out there. I would find a different dr. Mine is not happy about me being on Valium now but she is happy I am off the Xanax. I do feel better on the Valium it's not such a "roller coaster" being that Xanax has such a short half life. But she didn't "go off on me".. she understands I have panic disorder..

You don't need to put up with this kind of shit, and you can tell him you are not a child. Atleast you are on Bupe to better yourself and to fight your addiction just because you are addicted to opiates doesn't mean you will be addicted to every other medication thrown your way. Maybe you want to tell him that. You pay a dr, so if you don't like a dr you can fire them. You have fibro, so I know you are in pain, you don't need to put up with that kind of shit.. I have had issues with dr's in the past dropping me for no reason out of the blue ect. I would tell him how you feel and tell him you don't like his attitude, sadly his attitude most likely won't change. But you can change dr's. I was lucky to find such an understanding pain management dr.. they are out there you just have to look for them. It pisses me off because they are supposed to help people not make them feel like shit... I know how rough fibromyalgia can be... good luck.. keep us posted!
 
Obviously if you just take the suboxone and don't get any other help you're not going to get anywhere. Like i said before, its there to keep you clean while you get things sorted out. That means getting counseling, going to NA/AA, whatever it is you need to do. Nobody is going to kick an addiction to opiates by staving of withdrawals. You make it sound like i just take a pill every day and my problems are solved. Far from it. It helps keep me clean by curbing cravings, stopping withdrawals, and knowing that even if i tried to get high it wouldn't work. You won't get any of that from a three day detox. Sure you can use it for that, but whats the point? I agree, there's no reason to take it for years. IMO thats excessive. But hey, some people need that. You should have learned by now through all your experience that not everybody can get clean the same way. Its ignorant for you to say that suboxone is a terrible drug and nobody should take it for more than three days. In a perfect world maybe that would work, but thats not always the case. I don't care what it was developed for, they found out that didn't work. The suboxone website says this:

"Although short-term treatment may be an effective option for some, for others it may not allow enough time to address the psychological and behavioral aspects of their condition. The chance of relapsing can be higher with short-term treatment because patients have less time to learn the skills needed to maintain an opioid-free lifestyle.
In general, suppressing cravings with SUBOXONE (for as long as necessary), together with counseling, offers the best likelihood for treatment success."

Short version: You are WRONG only because you're so closed minded. Detox doesn't work for everyone. Some people need to be on maintenance along with getting the help necessary to quit, which suboxone won't provide on its own.

Check YOURself
 
It's called detox, then rehab where they can't get the drug

Go to rehab, it'll better your life than you can do on your own
 
Lando138 said:
Obviously if you just take the suboxone and don't get any other help you're not going to get anywhere. Like i said before, its there to keep you clean while you get things sorted out. That means getting counseling, going to NA/AA, whatever it is you need to do. Nobody is going to kick an addiction to opiates by staving of withdrawals. You make it sound like i just take a pill every day and my problems are solved. Far from it. It helps keep me clean by curbing cravings, stopping withdrawals, and knowing that even if i tried to get high it wouldn't work. You won't get any of that from a three day detox. Sure you can use it for that, but whats the point? I agree, there's no reason to take it for years. IMO thats excessive. But hey, some people need that. You should have learned by now through all your experience that not everybody can get clean the same way. Its ignorant for you to say that suboxone is a terrible drug and nobody should take it for more than three days. In a perfect world maybe that would work, but thats not always the case. I don't care what it was developed for, they found out that didn't work. The suboxone website says this:

"Although short-term treatment may be an effective option for some, for others it may not allow enough time to address the psychological and behavioral aspects of their condition. The chance of relapsing can be higher with short-term treatment because patients have less time to learn the skills needed to maintain an opioid-free lifestyle.
In general, suppressing cravings with SUBOXONE (for as long as necessary), together with counseling, offers the best likelihood for treatment success."

Short version: You are WRONG only because you're so closed minded. Detox doesn't work for everyone. Some people need to be on maintenance along with getting the help necessary to quit, which suboxone won't provide on its own.

Check YOURself
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Check yourself by getting over yourself. Suboxone has helped many people kick opiates. So you are fucking WRONG. NA is not for everybody actually I think it's fucking nonsense... and I don't buy into the Jesus shit. If suboxone works for her then it works, get off your high horse and contribute to her issue at hand or stfu.
 
Violenza666 said:
Check yourself by getting over yourself. Suboxone has helped many people kick opiates. So you are fucking WRONG. NA is not for everybody actually I think it's fucking nonsense... and I don't buy into the Jesus shit. If suboxone works for her then it works, get off your high horse and contribute to her issue at hand or stfu.
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What are you talking about? This guy was saying suboxone doesn't work, i was saying it does. I never said you had to go to NA i was saying you need to do more then take a pill to recover. Also, i did contribute to her topic. Chill the fuck out.
 
I never said suboxone doesn't work I said that suboxone was DEVELOPED for a 3 day treatment, the half life will cover another 2-3 days.

You ride out the withdrawls from that point on with clonidine or benzos.

You need to seriously check yourself man, you're telling a CPhT they're wrong... When what they do is study that kind of stuff AND you're telling me I'm wrong when I have first hand experience in it.


The only thing that worked, the only thing that has worked for others I've met (many people)
Is Dextox, and then Rehab.

Suboxone IS AN OPIATE
It STILL IS STIMULATING THE OPIATE RECEPTORS
you WILL STILL WITHDRAWL UPON CESSATION OF SUBOXONE EVEN TAPER

And you're left with FIENDING FOR OPIATES BECAUSE SUBOXONE IS A FUCKING OPIATE!


If you're on suboxone you may as well stay on it for life... like methadone


VERY few people actually succeed after suboxone treatment
 
@Violenza666 scroll up i said i had a similar situation with my doctor

@Nexius take it up with the many other people here that are on maintenance

I'm done derailing this thread.

OP: Maybe try talking to the doc that prescribes the adderall? Have him talk to your sub doc. Its hard to find sub docs so finding another one might not be an option. Good luck.
 
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