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the great debate: Is responsible, controlled, "successful" opiate use EVER possible?

How do you feel about this?

  • Yes, its very possible, the stereotypes are all wrong.

    Votes: 10 12.5%

  • Yes, but not for everybody, and only if you do it a certain way.

    Votes: 36 45.0%

  • No way, if you think it is youre just naieve or in denial, no exceptions

    Votes: 4 5.0%

  • Overall, no, but maybe a small % of people might be able to.

    Votes: 20 25.0%

  • Its too complex and too much of a gray area to answer by voting here!

    Votes: 10 12.5%
  • Total voters
    80
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Responsible Opiate Users - Do they Exist?

Is anyone here--- or does anyone know anyone, who has been able to recreationally use opiates for more than 2 years without becoming addicted to it? I would like to enjoy opiates recreationally but everytime I do them I end up getting more the next day, than the next day, and eventually I am addicted and have to clean up with a withdrawal.

I really do love the feelings of opiates and would hate to stop for the rest of my life, but I was wondering if anyone has been able to successfuly limit their opiate use and if they have any tips. I sometimes space 3 days after every use to avoid addiction and it works but than i'll slip up and once I do it 2 days in a row, the 3rd day I crave it hard.
 
I'm sure somebody somewhere will reply to this thread and claim that yes, they can use opiates long term and not get addicted, but those people will be few and far between. I would so far as to guess that such people would be so rare that you would have a better chance winning the lottery than using opiates for years on end without getting addicted.
 
The only way that I've been able to do it is to use once every 1-2 months maximum. I've never built any kind of addiction, but even just having hydrocodone this rarely I still have a tolerance of over 70mg in a single dose. This has been for the past 6 years or so.
 
What does "responsible" means to you? "I take codeine/DHC, it's nothing strong"? Such people lie to themselves. I've seen many things and as long as codeine is easily available in pharmacies in my country there will be a lot of codeine addicts. They agonize their withdrawal like there have used heroin for years. Is this responsible?

I guess the only people that make good decisions (but not responsible, they don't even know it's for their own good in the future) are people who are turned down by first time experience with an opioid and they just don't like it and never repeat it again. The rest knows what there's for the taking. Well, at least not long after they start to nod hard. It's impossible not to get into knowing people that will enlighten you there's a high and there's a withdrawal. Besides in the era of frigging globalization you can just go on-line, enter heroin and you know everything about except you somehow miss topics about withdrawal symptoms. People always say "this won't be me, I won't let some drug fuck me over". That I've seen too.

You can't use opioids without getting addicted (and not getting addicted would mean responsible using here) for 2 years. That's impossible no matter what shit you put into your head. And I don't agree buprenorphine is fairly easy to be used responsible. It's mainly used here by "children of codeine" who got a chance to buy bupe for a high price but whatever. It gets them pretty much high, higher than codeine. It's not such a big deal as it is with codeine because it's not that readily available and one has to get to know some stupid ass who risks at pharmacies and buys it with a discount with a false prescription (dangerous as hell but otherwise it wouldn't pay off).
 
I have been using opiates responsibly now for about a year, and my use has increased and decreased over this year. That year PREVIOUS however, when I discovered them, I had to learn my lesson. I guess maybe learning your lesson then regulating your use is responsible? But I mean, i have to keep this up for years. I always have spikes of increased use (3 times a week?) but they are few and farbetween. When my use becomes more frequent I often go on a healthkick.
 
is once a week responsible? i've been using oxys for 3 years now and limit my use to once on the weekend, after 3 years of use my tolerance is still around the 40-50mg mark, and when oxys don't come through i've never resorted to heroin or gone to the streets to score, though it is hard in the dry spells
 
I used opiates for years with no problems. There were only a few periods when I had so much as a tolerance, and that was the worst of it. The key is simply willpower and moderation. I did a heap of research before I'd ever taken a opiate, so I had a solid idea of what I was getting into. I used percs, hydros, oxy, and pods. I enjoyed opiates a lot, and wanted to be able to enjoy them indefinitely.

The secret for me was just being realistic. I knew that if I used once or twice a week max, and refused to take high doses, I would have no problems. No tolerance, no withdrawal. Any more than that is trouble, and I resolved to never go there. To me, getting high once or twice a week was great. It's like a free lunch. There was no downside whatsoever (besides that pesky opiate constipation). Honestly I can't understand why people let themselves become addicted. If you do any reading about opiates, you'll learn pretty quick that daily/frequent use will lead to problems, yet again and again the same stories get cycled through here of people who just can't manage their use in a realistic manner. Using opiates everyday with awareness of the inevitable consequences is like lighting yourself on fire and expecting to not get burned.

Maybe I'm a freak or something, most people just can't self-regulate. I'd say it's just because they're weak or stupid, but I haven't walked in an addicts shoes so I don't judge. I feel empowered by exercising willpower, so maybe that helps me to, I kind of get off on it. Seriously though, it's not rocket science. Keep it sporadic, refuse to take increasing doses, and you shouldn't have any problem. I could get adequently high on 2.5mg of oxycodone. Anything over 10mg was complete overkill. For years.

Eventually opiates started effecting me differently. I don't enjoy the effects anymore and I set them aside and don't have the slightest desire to take them. I could have a pile of oxy in front of me and it wouldn't weigh on my mind at all. Kratom is much more agreeable to me now, but same story: I use it once or twice a week max.

It can be done. I think personality and resolve are the biggest factors.
 
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i definitely know a few people who use Oxy/other opiates about once or twice every two weeks at the most. Always wished I could do that.

I thought I was a responsible opiate user when I was using every day. Held down a job, >3.0 GPA in college, had money, was gettin fresh, kicks, all that shit. Eventually, after like a year or so, i stopped giving a fuck about everything though.
 
I have been prescribed 10mg's hydrocodone every 4 hours after getting hit by a car and have been on this sch. for almost 4 years. I also have 30mg morphine IR for breakthrough pain which I use when I'm feeling naughty. I am a responsible opiate user, the only problem is that I'm not that responsible with "other drugs".
 
I've been using opiates on an off since... 9th grade, I'm in my first year of college now. Actually used to take more when i was younger, I remember one summer where i ate a lot of oxy 20s/30s. I never let myself dose more than two days in a row (with the exception of a few slip ups of 3 days and maybe 4 once or twice.) And I don't take ridiculous doses usually, just what I need to get high. 7.5-20mg hydrocodone, 10-15mg oxycodone, 15-25mg morphine (dont really touch that one anymore), or smoking a little opium when it was still around. As long as you dont let yourself hit that three day mark, and take a reasonable break after any 2 day binge, there really isnt any possible way to catch a physical addiction. It's being careless and breaking that rule that really fucks you over..
 
weekend addiction said:
Kratom is supposedly very easy to use responsibly.
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Indeed, at least I find. I believe it has a long half-life, which explains why redosing is ineffective unless you wait for a few days, basically. It's very self-regulating in this regard. I hope nothing ever changes with the legal status of kratom.
 
I used opiates once or twice a month for 2+ years before it finally spun out of control into full blown addicition. We were very careful with them, and it just got a hold of us just as it's always advertised: 2 times a month, into once a week, into the weekends, into a couple times a week, into 150mg a day.

Oh well. Eventually everyone will succumb to the addiction at some point if they use long enough. Now I'm on suboxone.
 
I've been using opiates for almost 3 years now and I've never been strongly addicted (my biggest binges have been week long, which resulted in noticable but very mild withdrawal). I currently use opiates an average of 1-3 times per week. To give you a picture of how often I use- last friday was the last time I used and I plugged 2 mg of dilaudid and drank some poppy tea, but barely enough to give me a small buzz. My last decent buzz was on 50 mg of hydrocodone last week, tonight I'm doing 20 mg of oxycodone and 20 mg of hydrocodone, I've never mixed the two so I'm hoping it gives me a nice buzz. After tonight I'll probably get opiated again on Friday or Saturday. My primary opiates right now are poppy tea, hydrocodone, oxycodone and hydromorphone, especially hydromorphone and poppy tea. I do heroin when I can get it, which is rarely (once every few months).

I don't moniter my use that often, I'm just broke as hell so I can't afford daily opiate use on top of my daily marijuana use. I actually spend a lot more on pot then on opiates every week, because I think I'm more psychologically addicted to weed then to opiates (I prefer the opiate high to weed but weed is more practical and helps me get through the day easier, plus, pot is way easier for me to aquire).

I know quite a few people who use opiates responsibly. I think it depends on personality, your personal situation in life (I find that I want to use more when my life is shittier, which makes sense of course), how easy it is to score, and many other factors. It's possible, but not neccesarily easy. If you're a former addict and you don't want to relapse into addiction but want to use opiates you could try keeping a calender with strict dates for use, but I don't know if it'd work in your case.
 
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are u claiming you use Bupe responsibly Captain?
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stuckinaloop said:
I think it's pretty obvious he does...he doesn't even dose a whole 1 mg in 24 hours..
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He compulsivly shoots Bupe multiple times daily

regardless if the dose is low i hardly call that particularly responsible

whats gonna happen when the Bupe runs out, the behavoir hasnt changed, just the DOC
 
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