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Kratom + hydrocodone: comparison with oxycodone and nodding discussion

anxiousMoFo

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Background:

22 yr old healthy male. Exercise 2 - 4 times per week. I have abused cannabis and tobacco in the past, quit cigs a year ago have been on a long / indefinite break from cannabis for a month or 2. Drink on occasion just for a small buzz, and only binge on special occasions. %)

Experimented recreationally with a range of substances including diphendramine, ephedrine, psilocybin mushrooms, oxycodone, kava... list goes on

I have never gotten myself addicted to opiates, but I have used it more in the last 14 days than I really should have. :p Tolerance has definitely gone up a bit. I have actually suspected that I might have a natural tolerance to them.

Last time I used opiates was 5 days ago: 40mg oxycodone crushed + parachuted with some mecllizine, 2 Somas (forgot the mg, they're the "common" ones. ~750mg?), snorted 20mg oxycodone and ~1mg alprazolam. This was my most intense and pleasurable drug experience I have ever had: intense body high and constantly euphorically intoxicated. It also induced my first nod ever, which I enjoyed tremendously. I'll save the details for another thread, but I feel important to mention that I have an idea what a hell of a nod should feel like. I took opiates a few more times last week, so understand that my hydrocodone dosage tonight (40mg) didn't have much effect on me.

Tonight's experience:/B]

Tonight I started out by taking a small doxylamine tablet and a Tagamet. Then consumed 4 10/325 Norcos (that would be 40mg hydrocodone) crushed and parachuted with some ginger ale. 45 minutes later took ~1 gram of 20x Kratom powder.

There was some nice kratom + hydrocodone synergy but probably not enough of either substance, probably due to tolerance going up. Got a little itchy, but the body high was kind of short lived. The most interesting aspect For a while I would get these weird "nods" that were slightly (slightly as in 10% resemblance) similar to an antihistamine delusion, but much more kind of like an abstract, vivid day dream, where I can easily snap back to reality and focus on a movie, reading, or whatever. Much more of a vision than a hallucination.

One example would be I would close my eyes and envision my door with lights coming from the bottom through the crack. Open my eyes and I'm back to normal but with a mild opiate body high. Nod a little more, then I see this unknown woman in a parking lot and I say something to her about "I'm nodding on kratom and hydro and she said "HA!", then I'm back to reality. I had about 5 of these experiences tonight, and they lasted 90 to 15 seconds.

This week's oxycodone administration was bordering a hallucinogenic trip because sometimes the visions would continue in the real world after opening my eyes for a few seconds. Also I was way to fucked up and relaxed to have any control of myself. All I could do was sit there and drool and bob my head but I loved it. Tonight however, the mental effects of the drugs were mild, but still present.

Topics I would like to address:

I would like some input from experienced opiate users on their nodding experiences,. Is the intensity of the nod mostly dependent on dosage? Any comparisons on nodding on either kratom alone (if possible), an opioid alone, versus a kratom + opioid combo?

I am still rather intoxicated from tonight and about to fall asleep so I'll have to return to this thread another day to edit it, polish it up and perhaps add more info.
 
In my experience, nodding is mostly dependent on dosage but adding promethazine or valium helps me get there.

I have not used Kratom as it is almost impossible to get into Australia.
 
If you're used to the hydrocodone high, kratom is a bit useless. It DOES give you SOMEwhat of an opiate high, but it's subtle subtle subtle. I first did kratom when I had only done oxycodone a handful of times, and it was a decent little background buzz, made me feel a tiny bit noddy, went to the park and had a decent bit of fun.

Once I got actually into oxycodone though, I tried it once and I couldn't feel it for the life of me. I think the first few kratom experiences I had were helped a bit by placebo - If you REALLY look for it, you can feel it a bit more.

All in all, given how gross kratom tastes and how much you have to consume (I don't remember what strength I had, but I had to consume like 3-4 grams and there was no pleasant way to do it), I'd say fuck it. Hydrocodone is your friend, and you may as well just stick with that.
 
I tried Kratom for a few weeks last year and while I felt a very slight buzz a few of the times I tried it, it's nowhere near being worth the cost or the devil's asshole taste that comes along with it.
 
i personally have gotten high as a kite off kratom. it feels a little "darker" in the sense that its not quite as euphoric as hydrocodone, but i have gotten a good nod from it. adding alcohol and kava helps a great deal.
 
i personally have gotten high as a kite off kratom. it feels a little "darker" in the sense that its not quite as euphoric as hydrocodone, but i have gotten a good nod from it. adding alcohol and kava helps a great deal.

I won't mix alcohol with opies but I do have 3oz of Kava of indefinite quality sitting around. How does kava mix with kratom, opiates and kratom + opiates to you?
 
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