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Calling all experienced Xanax users

mami said:
Let's please not go there. MODS? Get out of this thread, you're not giving me any support that I need.
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WAH sad fucking day. This is not NA, this is a public forum where people post their opinions based on questions that are asked. You asked for opinions and you got them. Just because you don't agree with mine doesn't mean I am not "supportive".. I just feel bad for your kid.
 
Violenza666 said:
WAH sad fucking day. This is not NA, this is a public forum where people post their opinions based on questions that are asked. You asked for opinions and you got them. Just because you don't agree with mine doesn't mean I am not "supportive".. I just feel bad for your kid.
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Hey Violenza? This type of post reeks of having too much time on your hands. You're repeating yourself. And "taunting" me.

But in your PP you pose some really. necessary. food for thought. Again this is why I'm here. To move through the muck. I want to talk it out, as I'm starting to do. But you need to cut the taunting & name-calling, because it's not productive OR grown-up. Please? Thanks.
 
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Wouldn't the breast milk have the inactive metabolite(s) of Xanax, and not alprazolam itself? (It's a question, not an affirmation).
 
From what I understand, breastmilk is like blood. If I'm having a drink, the milk has a "blood alcohol level" which then goes away after the hour has passed. And the milk doesn't show any sign of having alcohol. (Thus to "pump and dump" the milk is not necessary.)

Now. Medication I'm assuming has a completely different action with the milk. I just don't know. Anyone??

But I am glad that at least I can talk about it (mostly) freely here.. It's so important to explore this... I just don't want some flamer to ruin this thread.
 
BDD -> TDS

Listen up guys 'n gals...there's been a bit of debate in this thread. Some debate is good, but too much can direct attention away from the original post and its material. So I ask that TDSers read the first post (and perhaps the whole thread if ambitious) and offer mami the best advice for the situation that you can give. Let's just not perpetuate the debate that was going on in BDD. Carry on! :)
 
mami said:
Hey Violenza? This type of post reeks of having too much time on your hands. You're repeating yourself. And "taunting" me.

But in your PP you pose some really. necessary. food for thought. Again this is why I'm here. To move through the muck. I want to talk it out, as I'm starting to do. But you need to cut the taunting & name-calling, because it's not productive OR grown-up. Please? Thanks.
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See, this is amusing. Because I disagree with you you think I need to grow up. You are whining that you're not getting the support you need. This is the internet, don't post shit unless you want a wide range of opinions. Unless YOU know exactly what you're giving to your child through breast milk then YOU should not be using the medication to get high or at all. Grow up, bite the bullet and explain the dr exactly how much of this medication you've been taking while breastfeeding and also get a second opinion.
 
mami said:
From what I understand, breastmilk is like blood. If I'm having a drink, the milk has a "blood alcohol level" which then goes away after the hour has passed. And the milk doesn't show any sign of having alcohol. (Thus to "pump and dump" the milk is not necessary.)

Now. Medication I'm assuming has a completely different action with the milk. I just don't know. Anyone??

But I am glad that at least I can talk about it (mostly) freely here.. It's so important to explore this... I just don't want some flamer to ruin this thread.
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Yes your breastmilk is like blood. The active part of the drug is passed through the breastmilk. So are bloodborne diseases and shit like that. I am not a "flamer" I am just tell you how it is and you dont like it.
 
So you're exercising your right to free speech... How boring. ::yeeawwnn

Exercise your right to creative speech. Pick up a book or something. It'll probably help.

I'm sorry you're so angry.
 
I have my psych intake on May 4. I can pretty much get whatever I want.

Xanax

day 1: 1.5 mgs
day 2: 2 mgs
day 3: 2.5 mgs
day 4: 1 mg
day 5: 0
day 6: 0
day 7: 0

^Repeat every week.


So FOR ALL EXPERIENCED XANAX USERS would you call this schedule or something LIKE it functional/maintainable? Or do you think that would cause increased anxiety.
 
mami said:
So you're exercising your right to free speech... How boring. ::yeeawwnn

Exercise your right to creative speech. Pick up a book or something. It'll probably help.

I'm sorry you're so angry.
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Once again I am not angry, I feel sorry for your toddler that you continue to expose to xanax. It's your choice, I won't continue to argue it I have made my point. I am an experienced Xanax user, I just came off of Xanax after 3 years of daily use for panic disorder. I am still tapering down a bit in the .25 range. The problem you are having is the short half life of Xanax which makes a one dose a day hard for a "taper" and you've been abusing the ER. That makes it a whole different ballgame.

You already stated you cannot control yourself come refill day and that you abuse your pills and bam they're gone. Tell your dr that you are abusing the medication he is scripting you and see what he does about it.. lol NO MORE MEDS FOR YOU. So it's not just a minimal amount of xanax that your child is getting. It's your right to be a shitty mother, hey it's a free country, but it's also my right to tell you so. So whine on. I really don't give a fuck.

Keep on reporting me for disagreeing with you, but the fact remains that your dr is a fucking jackass. If you weren't breastfeeding while taking medication that passes on through breastmilk I would not be saying shit about it. You're trying to defend your addiction, and I get that. You should try to bump up your next psych appt to ASAP to discuss this issue to have a taper that can be supervised by your dr. You should also get a second opinion because many dr's would not be supportive of you breastfeeding while taking xanax, they would tell you it's one or the other. I wish you the best of luck. So get your head out of your ass, and do something about your problem instead of getting angry at me for pointing out obvious problems with what you're doing.

As for reading, this could be a novel called "mother of the year*.. lol
 
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mami said:
I have my psych intake on May 4. I can pretty much get whatever I want.

Xanax

day 1: 1.5 mgs
day 2: 2 mgs
day 3: 2.5 mgs
day 4: 1 mg
day 5: 0
day 6: 0
day 7: 0

^Repeat every week.


So FOR ALL EXPERIENCED XANAX USERS would you call this schedule or something LIKE it functional/maintainable? Or do you think that would cause increased anxiety.
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It *could* work but those 3 days will be rough as hell. Especially given the fact that you're trying to stop abusing them. I tried to quit klonopin cold turkey once... it was not a good idea.. didnt work out well for me. You can give this a try but you should really call your dr. There's a reason you're supposed to taper off these medications under a dr's supervision. I would use your klonopin to your advantage if you still get it. The long half life might help take the edge off but depending on how tolerant you are to the medication it won't do that much. My advice is to get an appt ASAP. Also talk to the pediatrician and be completely honest about what you have been doing.
 
Mami,

I have been on benzodiazepine therapy for panic disorder/GAD for ~10 years now. At present, I am down to 5 mg Valium daily and .5-1 mg Xanax PRN. I switched from Klonopin to Valium in January. The adjustment made me a bit "off" at first. Within a few weeks of the switch, though, I was more or less back to baseline. I have, surprisingly, developed no measurable tolerance to benzos and I do not abuse them. I know what will happen if I do - a massive resurgence of my anxiety that will impair my life. I live a fairly stressful existence and my anxiety can be easily triggered without substantial environmental engineering - which can make me avoidant and cranky. Valium controls my physiological response to anxiety and the longer half-life is safer for when I do decide to taper.

Most people are NOT candidates for long-term benzodiazepine therapy. A woman who is breastfeeding should not drink or take benzodiazepines. I am not going to flame you about it, but I would not take the risk.

I believe your taper is too fast and that you will experience rebound anxiety. The biggest danger, which I believe has been glossed over, is seizure. What if you have a seizure while you are breastfeeding and you or your baby are hurt?

You should taper benzodiazepines under strict medical supervision. 4 days on and 3 days off sounds as though it could contribute to abuse and may not be safe for the reasons I have already outlined. I'm not a doctor and I can't formally advise you, but I have written about what works for me.

There are several reasons I do not yet have a child. The fact that I am on medication that could affect one is among them. To ensure that your child develops properly, please work with your own pdoc (a reputable one; not one that will just throw whatever script you want at you) and your pediatrician to find a regimen that will work for you. I personally wouldn't trust myself with a child on 2.5 mg Xanax daily because of the potential for cognitive impairment and the effect it might have on the ability to drive/care for a child. Also, you may wish to look into drug-free therapies such as CBT to learn coping skills to address the underlying issue of anxiety itself.

Once you're a BLer, feel free to PM me if you have questions, though I would encourage you to ask them here to the extent you feel comfortable so that others who are in similar situations might read and benefit.

I hope you and your medical team will work together to find a safe and effective solution to your anxiety. My best of luck in finding relief.
 
*sigh*

I know, I know. I'm willingly displaying my insanity of addiction... It's stupid to read, but this just.has.to be talked out with YOU (all of you) who have gone the path of benzos already! And really I have 2 issues going on, what with weaning AND making a decision about medication.

mariposa. there is something to be said for how you call it "benzodiazepine therapy". I have seen that process. Which is totally different, TOTALLY different than benzodiazepine abuse. I do realize that I could never maintain that "schedule" I wrote out; loading up & tapering off EVERY week. I have a LOT to do, and if I become dehabilitated - it IS playing with fire, after all - then I have major consequences. I'm getting ready to move in like 4 weeks to a new city to start anew as a single mom ;) So life is happening for me and I really need to make some wise life choices.

The rationale I have used to nurse while on various medications + marijuana is that any psychological benefit from nursing, thus satisfying the Freudian "oral" stage of development... will surpass any physical damage. If addiction is genetic, she's.... totally.... screwed :(

Her parents are addicts, & all 4 of her grandparents were addicts (or alcoholics). Since mind/body are one, I may as well nurture her psychological well-being, because physically there is not MUCH chance for avoiding addiction.

My own mother's heart stopped in 2003, with an OD of Xanax/Codeine/Vicodin. And the baby daddy, who I live with, accepts that I breastfeed and he gives me the stuff. 8o So I do not feel socially suppressed. But now. Technology intervenes. Because I come here and display my sins, causing cognitive dissonance..

Tonight was our 2nd night weaning. I haven't nursed her since 1PM, 10 hours ago, and she's asleep for the night. %)
 
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mami why dont you just stop nursing is it not possible? i mean ive heard of mothers that never breast fed why is that not a option for you? maybe you allready covered this i didnt read evreything anyways lastly dont b hard on yourself you gotta take care of yourself to
 
Instead of guessing tapering doses, what I did to withdraw from benzos was quit cold turkey, and then take say 0.25mg xanax (or maybe just switch over to valium) when I "couldn't take it any more" etc. to give light relief etc. I saw it as the more pain done, the better - the quickest and most effective way of quitting.

If you've done the crime, serve the time. Just stop tip toeing around the issue and get a grip - for your baby.
 
Luciiz said:
Instead of guessing tapering doses, what I did to withdraw from benzos was quit cold turkey, and then take say 0.25mg xanax (or maybe just switch over to valium) when I "couldn't take it any more" etc. to give light relief etc. I saw it as the more pain done, the better - the quickest and most effective way of quitting.

If you've done the crime, serve the time. Just stop tip toeing around the issue and get a grip - for your baby.
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bad advice maybe your addiction wasnt bad enough because if you dont tapper you risk seizures which you probably know so why suggest going cold turkey? its very dangerous
 
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"Do the time"

Well exactly. I'm finally owning up to this, there is a big change happening for me in 5 weeks. Until then I'll be holding on & 'protecting my addiction' as PP called it.

As i still live with the one carrying the substance. Who in fact is on his way back with 1 10 mg Methadone wafer for moi.

In a few weeks a great dear old friend of mine is traveling over 1000 miles, for 2 weeks (!), to help me find a place & resettle in my new town.

OK this has become like THE awkwardest "introduction" thread ever. Thanks for helping me feel like shit, guys, I really got a lot out of this.
 
sorry u feel like that mami just pay attention to the posotive posts not the negative : )
 
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