Early this morning I died

QuasiStoned

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Trying to relieve my opiate withdrawals (I made a thread about cold turkey withdrawal early this morning) I used a dip of phenazepam to try and get some more sleep. In the early morning hours I took about 4ml of 1,4BDO to continue sleeping (I had managed a couple of hours thanks to phenazepam) and my mom found me gurgling and unresponsive and eventually I stopped breathing. All because I wanted to get a little bit of sleep. I woke up with 2 cops and 2 paramedics in my room.

I told them that I smoked JWH-018 and that itwas legal and they told me blah blah you can import all you want but that doesn't make it legal. I had a bong in my room that I used mostly for JWH that has been mostly used for JWH but I'm sure there was THC t be found in the stem/slider piece. The cop asked me why I wouldn't just smoke the regular stuff and I said "because it's illegal." Cop 2 says this shit ain't legal either you can order steroids legally but the 2nd second you use them it's illegal.

Anyway, yes I'm shaken up because I almost killed myself with a mixture of 1,4 BDO and phenazepam. This is the 2nd time the paramedics had to come to my house (first time OD on phenazepam) and my mom keeps telling me my insurance is going to drop me for this kind of crap (and I dunno if that's true or not? Can they drop me for ER services being called twice?)

As for the bong, they took it with them and the one cop had said something about betting if he scraped the stem for THC he'd find some (which is scaring me to death because he's probably right). That same policeman admitted to smoking weed with his buddies and what not before he joined the force so he didn't seem too bady anti-reefer just concerned about stuff ordered from the internet. He didn't say that I was going to recieve a citation and the lady paramedic said that the bong was going to be "destroyed." I'm terrified of getting paraphanelia charges but they didn't give any indicator that they were going to charge me. As if being technically dead and having my father giving me CPR in bed and my mother going hysterical isn't eneough pain and suffering,... I don't need a paraphanalia charge on top of this (I've already a paraphanelia charge before... for fucking weed).

The interesting thing, after they left the JWH-018 was sitting on the window sill downstairs and they didn't confiscate it... wtf? First they argrue with me about the legality of it and then they leave it behind, probably because they finally realized it was legal. I'm most frightened about the bong, the lady paramedic told my mom "it would be destroyed," so I guess that's a good thing right? Couldn't they arrest me on the spot for paraphanalia if they were going to press charges? And if the bong were truly going to be destroyed then they obviously don't plan on using it as evidence?

I can't believe I was legally dead this morning. I dumped the 1,4 BDO down the drain. I'm going to have to find another way to get off the poppy tea which sucks because 1,4BDO / GHB was very helpful with the withdrawals but it's just too dangerous. I mixed it with a benzo and that is one of the stupidest things that you can do, but I didn't feel anything when I took 2 ml after 15 - 20 minutes so I took another 2ml.

Sorry guys I'm just so scared my parents want me to go to my family doctor and admit I have a problem and try to get my pain treated properly, but if I tell him I used poppy tea won't that go down on my record and make it difficult to get adequate relief? As will all these 2 emergency room visits They get forwarded to my family doc too?

Sorry guys I'm just scared and afraid to go to my family doctor and tell him that I have a problem. Are these records kept confidential? If I switch doctors they get all that information? I have real chronic pain and I turned to poppy tea for relief after I had 2 or 3 doctors try to treat me with NSAIDs which did nothing. Most of all I'm terrified about the bong, do you think that they would really be dick-headed enough to try and charge me for something like that when I just went through an ordeal like this.
 
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glad you're okay. don't worry about the bong. they're not going to charge you with anything. they're just going to "destroy" it (or use it themselves or give to their buddies).

all the stories i've ever heard of cops coming to a house for a drug OD, and they find remnants of the drug in the room, or other drugs/paraphenelia, they just take it and get rid of it. never charge the person for it. so no worries
 
QuasiStoned, first of all I am SO glad to hear you're okay!! <3

Secondly, I don't think they would bother charging you for what they found. To me it doesn't seem like it would be worth their time and paperwork etc to charge you for just possession of a bong and some legal smoke. I might be wrong but I'd be surprised if they did.

Lastly, I can understand your concerns about not getting proper pain-relief treatment if you tell your doctor everything, but I think the best thing for you to do is just to be honest and tell them that the NSAIDs just do not work for your pain. Pain management is often something that has to be worked through on a number of different medications to find the right one that works for you.

Good luck, and let us know how it all goes <3
 
Glad you're OK!

From the way you describe the cops, it sounds from their attitude like they have bigger fish to fry than making the effort to stick you with a para charge for the bong.

Try some chamomile tea for sleep. Also, a benzo by itself, not in combination with that other crap, will help when the going gets particularly rough. Withdrawal is about the most awful, uncomfortable, even painful experience a person can physically have, but it's not supposed to kill you! Be careful, friend. I have been down a similar road and I do know what it's like. It can be gotten past and you will feel like yourself again.
 
Secondly, I don't think they would bother charging you for what they found. To me it doesn't seem like it would be worth their time and paperwork etc to charge you for just possession of a bong and some legal smoke. I might be wrong but I'd be surprised if they did.
The paramedic said that they were going to destroy it, I mean she's no cop but if they were going to charge me they probably would have arrested me, or at the very least told me I'd be recieving a citation. And if they *do* destroy it then there would be no evidence for them to charge me with.

Funny thing is after they argrue with me about the legality of the JWH they leave it on the downstairs windowsill (all of this took place in my room). Are they really that stupid that they forgot to get it? Or maybe they realized they couldn't confiscate it because it actually *is* legal. They were local cops that showed up though, I've had local cops tell me they were going to give me 3 citations and then never have anything come of it, so I'm like 50% confident they're not going to try and fuck me. But the other 50% of me is terrified 8)

Anyway thanks for the support guys, it took a while to sink in (when I first woke up I didn't even know what day it was) but holy shit I'm lucky to be alive. Kind of puts a whole new perspective on things doesn't it? Now I'll just be a nervous wreck for the next couple of weeks waiting to see if they send me a citation.

God I'll never forget waking up and being told "that you were dead and have been revived. Do I understand this, and that I scared my mom half to death, they told me that my heart had stopped, etc."
 
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They aren't going to charge you. A paraphenelia charge is hardly a serious charge anyways, here its just a fine or at most a little bit of community service. Certainly nothing to be "terrified" about, bro.

I'm sorry to hear about your overdose. Good call pouring out the 1,4-BDO. I had a friend die for GHB/alcohol in a very similar situation as what you are describing. He had been using them all day/all night for two days to get through withdrawal and on the third day he choked on his vomit laying face up on the floor. R.I.P. John
 
It's a blessing that you're alright, I hope you learned a serious lesson from this. That was an extremely irresponsible dose to take on top of Phenazepam simply for sleep. I CAN believe you were nearly dead, and could have predicted that danger with ease...Good thinking dumping the rest out. :\
 
The police were trying to "scare you straight" with a lot of their talk and you're smart, you know what's BS and what isn't.

The cops know that most people don't have a firm grasp of the law and their rights so the cops usually use this ignorance to bully people into being good citizens.

I know in the cops eyes they think these threats are positive because they think it'll help you to not endanger yourself but from a drug counselor standpoint... I say fucking ignore everything the cops said and most of what the paramedics said.

I truly hope you use this experience to reflect and it has a LASTING impact and not just an acute one. You didn't deserve to experience all this pain and suffering and I hope you are ok, but part of me does hope that this motivates you to search out other ways to deal with what you are facing... you and I have talked in PM and I have loads of respect for you, man. I have been fortunate to have found other paths to address some of my issues with chronic pain, depression etc. and if I can help you do the same in ANY way please let me know!

I'd love to get a PM either way just so I hear from you that you are doing ok in these days to come, that is quite an experience for anyone. Initially I thought someone posted a trip report about LSD or something in the wrong forum then I saw the username and I got a little panicky. It truly is a relief to know you are alright.

You would ABSOLUTELY be missed around this place if this would've turned out differently.
 
The police were trying to "scare you straight" with a lot of their talk and you're smart, you know what's BS and what isn't.

Yeah I tried not to argrue too much because I knew that the JWH was legal. He talked about "sending in shit from europe and how it could be poision/anything..." I should've told him that I bought it domestically 8)

I truly hope you use this experience to reflect and it has a LASTING impact and not just an acute one. You didn't deserve to experience all this pain and suffering and I hope you are ok, but part of me does hope that this motivates you to search out other ways to deal with what you are facing... you and I have talked in PM and I have loads of respect for you, man. I have been fortunate to have found other paths to address some of my issues with chronic pain, depression etc. and if I can help you do the same in ANY way please let me know!
This is definitely a wake up call, I don't know wtf I was thinking with using the 1,4 BDO. I've had close calls before with the shit (waking up gasping for breath coated in sweat) and another time I fell asleep hunched over and apparrently lost control of my bladder - and this was without phenazepam in my system.

I'd love to get a PM either way just so I hear from you that you are doing ok in these days to come, that is quite an experience for anyone. Initially I thought someone posted a trip report about LSD or something in the wrong forum then I saw the username and I got a little panicky. It truly is a relief to know you are alright..

Thanks Cane2theleft. I'll probably PM you soon, and I will be seeing my family doctor and hopefully he can help me with my pain in more conventional manners. Poppies worked but I abused them too much, using sort of 50% for pain and 50% for numbness to everything else. I'm 3 days away from recieving anymore poppies so and have minimal resources - a small cup of tea, a couple of stems/knobs, and some phenazepam. I really don't want to use anymore phenazepam for a couple of days, it's most effective when used sparingly and is very helpfull for sleep.

You would ABSOLUTELY be missed around this place if this would've turned out differently.
Thanks so much, it means a lot.
 
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I know, the fact that I nearly died makes opiate withdrawal seem like seem relatively minor in the grand large scale of things.
 
The paramedic said that they were going to destroy it, I mean she's no cop but if they were going to charge me they probably would have arrested me, or at the very least told me I'd be recieving a citation. And if they *do* destroy it then there would be no evidence for them to charge me with.

Funny thing is after they argrue with me about the legality of the JWH they leave it on the downstairs windowsill (all of this took place in my room). Are they really that stupid that they forgot to get it? Or maybe they realized they couldn't confiscate it because it actually *is* legal. They were local cops that showed up though, I've had local cops tell me they were going to give me 3 citations and then never have anything come of it, so I'm like 50% confident they're not going to try and fuck me. But the other 50% of me is terrified 8)

Anyway thanks for the support guys, it took a while to sink in (when I first woke up I didn't even know what day it was) but holy shit I'm lucky to be alive. Kind of puts a whole new perspective on things doesn't it? Now I'll just be a nervous wreck for the next couple of weeks waiting to see if they send me a citation.

God I'll never forget waking up and being told "that you were dead and have been revived. Do I understand this, and that I scared my mom half to death, they told me that my heart had stopped, etc."

Just a warning.

My friend was arrested with a conspiracy to purchase a schedule II cds. They confiscated a bunch of shit from him, a pipe, etc..... about a week later he got like 2 more tickets in the mail, one for paraphernalia etc..

not trying to scare you just letting you know that it is possible to get charged with more shit even after the police left. if they took your bong...theres a good chance you might get charged with paraphernalia

you could go to a criminal lawyer..most have a free consultation-just to be safe.
 
Try to be more careful! I'm really glad that you are alive and well after hearing your story of what happened.

Don't worry about being charged with a crime, if they were going to charge you for anything like having marijuana paraphanalia, they would have already done it.

As far as your insurance, you should be fine...

If you admit to your doctor that you "have a problem" or whatever, you will not get any type of controlled substance and he will note in your chart that you "have a problem"

best of luck to you
 
Try to be more careful! I'm really glad that you are alive and well after hearing your story of what happened.

Don't worry about being charged with a crime, if they were going to charge you for anything like having marijuana paraphanalia, they would have already done it.

As far as your insurance, you should be fine...

If you admit to your doctor that you "have a problem" or whatever, you will not get any type of controlled substance and he will note in your chart that you "have a problem"

best of luck to you

I wonder if he doesn't already suspect that I have a *problem* after I went to the ER after I fell down the stairs on phenazepam and overdosing on what they first suspected to be this jwh but later wrote down in the paperwork possible benzo overdose (they also think that maybe the JWH was probably laced with PCP or some kind of benzo 8) ).
 
Just a warning.

My friend was arrested with a conspiracy to purchase a schedule II cds. They confiscated a bunch of shit from him, a pipe, etc..... about a week later he got like 2 more tickets in the mail, one for paraphernalia etc..

not trying to scare you just letting you know that it is possible to get charged with more shit even after the police left. if they took your bong...theres a good chance you might get charged with paraphernalia

you could go to a criminal lawyer..most have a free consultation-just to be safe.

But what was he purchasing that was considered a schedule II substance? The JWH was legal because it doesn't fall under the analog act. I bought the stuff quite freely domestically (here in the USA).
 
If I get a paraphanallia charge I'm fucked because I'm sure there was THC in that bong somewhere, I've had that thing for years. They really didn't say a word about charging me for it (in fact, cop #2 asked cop #1 if they were taking the bong or not), they just really wanted me to go to the hospital but I refused to get checked out. Once I woke up I felt fine and signed the waiver to avoid ER care.
 
How much is a "dip" of phenazepam?

I realize this is an unscheduled RC drug in the US and most likely shipped in pure powder form, but I'm thinking you should get yourself a scale (measured to 3 DP) and a burette for titration. You seem to be exceeding the 10mg maximum daily dosage with these "dips" you speak of.

10mg is an extremely small amount of powder, and considering the clinical dose is around the 0.5mg range, you're asking for a serious benzo dependency if you continue dosing in this manner.
 
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