how many forms of lsd/analoges are there?

[(zonk)]

^^^Holy shit! I got liquid viles that fit your description to a T RZ! I remember we got these viles a while back toted as "the wrong viles" we could never identify or figure them out. They had visuals but they usually only occurred if one's mood was being elevated somehow, like they kicked in decently at a rave but sorta when into hiding when we left. Mind&body where almost totally sober there was a little bit of energy@ the beginning and some called it "liquid E" but obviosly it wasnt G or 2cb. And whether u took 1 or 2 hits VS the 1/2 a vile the visuals/trip pretty much stayed the same, it couldn't be a phenethylamine cuz it only lasted 4-6hrs like u said, had no taste kicked in quickly and mosdef not a tryptamine, not even close.

atleast I know I am not alone anymore in this mystery, I wish I knew bluelighters back then when I had the viles, maybe someone could have GCMSed it.

 

[(zonk)]

I will say this about that mystery "acid" though it wasn't anything mindblowing or spectacular I did enjoy it very much. It was probly the most gentle psychedelic ever, very benign and fun. It wasn't like alot of the RCs out there where u feel like 'what's the point' there was no uncomfortable bodyloads or boring or weird mental sides. Just good clean fun, something one could do literally whenever, at family reunion, a job interview, whatever, just casual tripping ...atleast that's how 'I' remember it altho i think it did vary a lil from person2person.

 

[aussieblues]

This is from the book "Practical LSD Manufacture" by 'Uncle Fester'.

If any of you are interested in reading this, I've posted a link to the PDF here. What Roger has stated about differing effects of LSD based on purity is most likely the case; provided the trip didn't take ~2hrs to onset and 20+ hours to end, in which case you got DOXed.

Generally a hit that has a speedy feeling, or just doesn't feel as nice as your standard hit was either handled improperly causing the LSD to break down, or it was poorly manufactured to begin with.

As most people know there are many different variations of crystal, whose names usually denote their color: needlepoint being the purest, then white fluff, followed by silver fluff, then amber and lavender fluffs, followed by other, shitty quality, crystals; the less pure the crystal laid on the blotter, the less LSD will be contained per hit, meaning less ensuing awesomeness and more likely-hood for undesirable effects such as uncomfortable body load.

 

[RigaCrypto]

it only lasted 4-6hrs

You mean 6 hours till sober, or until starting to come down?

 

[Mjäll]

Got like 250 Lucy trips under my belt and can tell the differences. Set, setting, etc.

fixed

 

[Roger&Me]

LSM may be "legal", but actually making will still fuck you if you get caught.

I can't speak for elsewhere, but in the US at least, I wouldn't count on being able to explain the technical difference between LSD and LSM to a jury. Most people know very little about chemistry and all they would see is that you're "making drugs". That seems like a situation where you could end up wrongfully imprisoned, completely dependent upon the appeals process to free yourself (which happens all the time). Not fun at all.

Additionally, most states have laws that allow people to be punished for selling a drug even if they never possessed said drug. Example: I can fill up baggies with sugar, and as long as I sell them as sugar everything's gravy. But if I labeled the sugar bags as "cocaine" and sold them, I could be charged with selling the equivalent amount of cocaine even though it was actually sugar. Of course, I reside in Texas-- which is a quarantine zone for hick-ass lunatics-- so the laws are consistently harsher here than elsewhere, but you get my point.

Completely hypothetical, but if I was sitting on some ergotamine tartrate, you better believe I would go for bust and make a slammin' batch of LSD. Making a batch of LSM seems very risky despite the technical legality of the compound-- it seems much more logical to just make LSD. Especially considering that a gram of ET is worth an obscene amount of money once it becomes LSD, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to actually produce LSM (not that I wouldn't love to try it ).

 

[RigaCrypto]

If you make a large quantity of lysergides, the investment required and the payoff, not to mention the risks involved, are such that moving to a different country in order to do it would become a worthwhile thing. And there are many countries in which LSM is perfectly legal. Now, would it be an incentive to not risk spending a good portion of your life in prison?

 

[Solipsis]

There are NOT any analogues of LSD in circulation. The difference in quality of LSD is a direct result of differing amounts of clavines and residual ergotamine.

Where are you getting this? Because I thought (and its also mentioned on Erowid) that iso-LSD, a byproduct and degradation product would be a usual perpetrator of causing electric bodyload and weak-ish mental effect.

If you can substantiate your claim somehow I would be happy to have this cleared up a bit more! Finally :D

 

[The Smoking Man]

A trip of a mix of LSD and a bunch of its analogues/other ergolines (kinda in the same vein as having a wide spectrum of different amines when doing peyote) sounds like it would be awesome. Assuming it didn't end with getting closed veins.

 

[Mjäll]

A trip of a mix of LSD and a bunch of its analogues/other ergolines (kinda in the same vein as having a wide spectrum of different amines when doing peyote) sounds like it would be awesome. Assuming it didn't end with getting closed veins.

Yeah it's a neat idea. Sort of a synthetic cyber-indigenous rite of passage.

I think LSA seeds do something similar - or is LSA itself the only active chemical?

 

[The Smoking Man]

Yeah it's a neat idea. Sort of a synthetic cyber-indigenous rite of passage.

I think LSA seeds do something similar - or is LSA itself the only active chemical?

I believe LSA is all that's psychoactive in morning glory/hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. But ergot contains multiple ergolines, LSA among them. The combination of ergolines contained in ergot is also pretty well known to have bad cardiovascular effects, which is kinda what's scaring me away from trying an experiment like this.