should those of us with a small amount in our drawers be worried about police getting a search warrant or will the police have their hands full enough with people who were mass buying online recently? I'm sure if they wanted to, the Police could get hold of full lists of everybody who has bought meph online and it would be just like the UK for them to come after the small timers rather than the big boys...
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(UK) Mephedrone ban comes into force in UK [Updated April 16th 2010]
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should those of us with a small amount in our drawers be worried about police getting a search warrant or will the police have their hands full enough with people who were mass buying online recently? I'm sure if they wanted to, the Police could get hold of full lists of everybody who has bought meph online and it would be just like the UK for them to come after the small timers rather than the big boys...
That would be tens of thousands of people. Never gonna happen.
I NUK3D U
Bluelighter
I've managed to find the actual amendment and am happy to see that it doesn't attempt to ban any future substances 
AMT is coming to the UK soon, look out for it
AMT is coming to the UK soon, look out for it
Flawed thinking on mephedrone
[size=+1]Flawed thinking on mephedrone[/size]
The legacy of the rush to pass a 'tough' new law on mephedrone may ultimately be its unworkability
Jeremy Sare
guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 April 2010 10.00 BST
It was Abraham Lincoln who said: "The best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it strictly." The enforcement of the new law on mephedrone may eventually prompt its own self-destruction.
The law making mephedrone illegal to possess or supply was passed in both houses of parliament yesterday and will come into force on 16 April. The order specified the home secretary had first consulted the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD). He did, albeit in rather perfunctory manner. But the problem, legally, is that the ACMD is not constituted as required by the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. Following an exodus of scientific expertise, the council appears to lack two of its statutory members. (Naturally, I have asked the relevant officials at the Home Office for clarity on this point but without reply.)
This technical detail may not hugely concern the fretful law makers in parliament as the leviathan of an election looms. But it is likely to be at least of passing interest to large-scale dealers of mephedrone; the uncertainty over the safety of this law could effectively be their insurance against future conviction.
Similarly, the nation has few qualms about the outlawing of the drug because of the extraordinary lurid media stories about deaths, overdoses and severe addiction. But what do we actually know about the drug when the depleted coterie of experts have produced such a dismal report?
I have experienced, at first hand, several ACMD investigations (ketamine, cannabis, qat, methamphetamine). The ACMD's mephedrone report maintains an intellectually coherent structure, but is devoid of many of the fundamental measures for assessing any drug's dangers.
Dr Les King, the former chair of the ACMD's working group on legal highs, said the report is, "long on the chemistry, but short on almost everything else". He suspects, after losing its core of scientific experts, the bulk of the work has been done by co-optees. "I wonder what existing ACMD members contributed – not a lot I think," he said. It's rather like expecting a Premiership team to excel when most of their players have been hauled in on loan deals.
The report has serious gaps in basic information. For example, there is "no purity data available", so we do not know how strong the drug is. The epidemiology is based, in part, on an article for the New Musical Express. Data on prevalence was derived from a survey conducted by dance culture magazine Mixmag and is also based on bare numbers of hits on the Talk to Frank website. That does not amount to a measure of its use.
It is quite astonishing there are no studies on dependency, treatment or prevention. The evidence referenced from Guernsey, where controls have already been introduced, indicate mainland Britain could soon face a sudden emergence of street dealing, a leap in price and plummeting purity with plenty of associated violence. But this potentially disastrous development was reported blandly without even recognising it as a negative outcome.
Three new statutory members were shoe-horned in (on the same day as the report was published) with precious little time to consider much of the evidence. The latest of seven members to resign, Eric Carlin, reported new papers being tabled but without time to consider them fully.
The interim ACMD chair, Les Iversen, is a highly respected neuropharmacologist; his books on cannabis and amphetamines are definitive works. But this is a picture of chaos and corner-cutting in the ACMD which I do not remotely recognise under the previous chairmanships of Michael Rawlins or David Nutt.
Chris Huhne, Liberal Democrat spokesman for home affairs, said the government, in controlling mephedrone, was "pandering to tabloid newspaper editors". It is worse than that – their advisers are actually using the inflammatory news reports as source material. The ACMD study says "media reports from 8 March indicate secondary school children were missing classes". This Daily Mail report, about 180 pupils in Leicestershire falling sick on mephedrone has already been exposed as, "not recognisable as any school in the county". Dr King also described this section on "societal harms" as "a hotchpotch of anecdotes, media reports and speculation".
So bereft of useful material was the ACMD that they felt compelled to inform us that mephedrone "has no efficacy as plant food" as often advertised and so retailers, they suggest, could attract prosecution under the Trade Descriptions Act. A more bathetic point about a "killer drug" is hard to imagine.
The ACMD has been denigrated by the government, who are guilty of their intellectual abuse. But the legacy of this rush to establish a new "tough" law may be more serious; a law with a fault line running right through it.
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/09/flawed-thinking-mephedrone
[size=+1]Flawed thinking on mephedrone[/size]
The legacy of the rush to pass a 'tough' new law on mephedrone may ultimately be its unworkability
Jeremy Sare
guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 April 2010 10.00 BST
It was Abraham Lincoln who said: "The best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it strictly." The enforcement of the new law on mephedrone may eventually prompt its own self-destruction.
The law making mephedrone illegal to possess or supply was passed in both houses of parliament yesterday and will come into force on 16 April. The order specified the home secretary had first consulted the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD). He did, albeit in rather perfunctory manner. But the problem, legally, is that the ACMD is not constituted as required by the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. Following an exodus of scientific expertise, the council appears to lack two of its statutory members. (Naturally, I have asked the relevant officials at the Home Office for clarity on this point but without reply.)
This technical detail may not hugely concern the fretful law makers in parliament as the leviathan of an election looms. But it is likely to be at least of passing interest to large-scale dealers of mephedrone; the uncertainty over the safety of this law could effectively be their insurance against future conviction.
Similarly, the nation has few qualms about the outlawing of the drug because of the extraordinary lurid media stories about deaths, overdoses and severe addiction. But what do we actually know about the drug when the depleted coterie of experts have produced such a dismal report?
I have experienced, at first hand, several ACMD investigations (ketamine, cannabis, qat, methamphetamine). The ACMD's mephedrone report maintains an intellectually coherent structure, but is devoid of many of the fundamental measures for assessing any drug's dangers.
Dr Les King, the former chair of the ACMD's working group on legal highs, said the report is, "long on the chemistry, but short on almost everything else". He suspects, after losing its core of scientific experts, the bulk of the work has been done by co-optees. "I wonder what existing ACMD members contributed – not a lot I think," he said. It's rather like expecting a Premiership team to excel when most of their players have been hauled in on loan deals.
The report has serious gaps in basic information. For example, there is "no purity data available", so we do not know how strong the drug is. The epidemiology is based, in part, on an article for the New Musical Express. Data on prevalence was derived from a survey conducted by dance culture magazine Mixmag and is also based on bare numbers of hits on the Talk to Frank website. That does not amount to a measure of its use.
It is quite astonishing there are no studies on dependency, treatment or prevention. The evidence referenced from Guernsey, where controls have already been introduced, indicate mainland Britain could soon face a sudden emergence of street dealing, a leap in price and plummeting purity with plenty of associated violence. But this potentially disastrous development was reported blandly without even recognising it as a negative outcome.
Three new statutory members were shoe-horned in (on the same day as the report was published) with precious little time to consider much of the evidence. The latest of seven members to resign, Eric Carlin, reported new papers being tabled but without time to consider them fully.
The interim ACMD chair, Les Iversen, is a highly respected neuropharmacologist; his books on cannabis and amphetamines are definitive works. But this is a picture of chaos and corner-cutting in the ACMD which I do not remotely recognise under the previous chairmanships of Michael Rawlins or David Nutt.
Chris Huhne, Liberal Democrat spokesman for home affairs, said the government, in controlling mephedrone, was "pandering to tabloid newspaper editors". It is worse than that – their advisers are actually using the inflammatory news reports as source material. The ACMD study says "media reports from 8 March indicate secondary school children were missing classes". This Daily Mail report, about 180 pupils in Leicestershire falling sick on mephedrone has already been exposed as, "not recognisable as any school in the county". Dr King also described this section on "societal harms" as "a hotchpotch of anecdotes, media reports and speculation".
So bereft of useful material was the ACMD that they felt compelled to inform us that mephedrone "has no efficacy as plant food" as often advertised and so retailers, they suggest, could attract prosecution under the Trade Descriptions Act. A more bathetic point about a "killer drug" is hard to imagine.
The ACMD has been denigrated by the government, who are guilty of their intellectual abuse. But the legacy of this rush to establish a new "tough" law may be more serious; a law with a fault line running right through it.
Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/09/flawed-thinking-mephedrone
Sega420
Bluelighter
you all DO realize that it was NEVER meant for human consumption in the first place, right?
it was originally manufactured as one of the ingredients in fertilizer.
on its own it kills plants, sure, but mixed with other chems, you get a strong fertilizer.
its a shit drug anyways.
"aw man im pure buzzin on this meow!"
"mate get to fuck and take some real drugs"
"dont u want some meow meow bruv?"
"naw, i think ill stick to my acid n ganj, idiot"
*face is in palm*
it was originally manufactured as one of the ingredients in fertilizer.
on its own it kills plants, sure, but mixed with other chems, you get a strong fertilizer.
its a shit drug anyways.
"aw man im pure buzzin on this meow!"
"mate get to fuck and take some real drugs"
"dont u want some meow meow bruv?"
"naw, i think ill stick to my acid n ganj, idiot"
*face is in palm*
BaybeX
Bluelighter
^They add 'not for human consumption' on research chemicals because they can not advertise them as something that's going to get you high.
Jesus Christ, man.
Jesus Christ, man.
Bella Figura
Bluelight Crew
And it is in no way related to fertilizer...
I NUK3D U
Bluelighter
lol @ potential fertilizer
Cornishman
Bluelighter
Are you being serious or taking the proverbial biscuit?
Mephedrone ban comes into force in UK
[size=+1]Mephedrone ban comes into force in UK[/size]
A ban on synthetic stimulant mephedrone has come into force across the UK.
The drug and its related compounds are now Class B substances after measures were rushed through Parliament.
The Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) had recommended a ban, saying the substance was "likely to be harmful" despite incomplete research.
But the leading medical journal The Lancet has questioned the ban, saying it had been rushed and politics had been allowed to "contaminate" science.
Mephedrone, also known as Meow, Bubbles and MCAT, is derived from cathinone, a compound found in a plant called Khat.
he laboratory-produced drug has a similar effect to amphetamines, ecstasy or cocaine. But it also causes nausea, palpitations and vomiting.
The drug has been linked to a number of deaths but there has been no conclusive scientific proof yet that it has been responsible for any of them on its own.
Under the drug classification rules, anyone found carrying Mephedrone could face up to five years imprisonment - while dealers could receive up to 14 years.
The Association of Chief Police Officers urged forces to target dealers, saying that it had no intention of criminalising young people who had been using it.
In the days running up to the ban, police officers and local councils approached retailers who were selling the drug asking them to voluntarily surrender supplies.
A number of websites that were selling the drug have also closed down.
Lancet editorial
But in an editorial timed to coincide with the ban, The Lancet medical journal said the manner in which Mephedrone had been dealt with signalled a "collapse in integrity of scientific advice in the UK".
It said the advisory council had been still discussing its own draft report into Mephedrone-like substances when its chairman briefed the home secretary on a recommendation to ban them.
"Equally notable was the very quiet release on the same day of the ACMD's other report… a a detailed progress report on recommendations made in 2006 on hazardous drug use," said the journal.
"The report contains some potentially unpalatable conclusions on tackling young people's problems, including not enough being done on alcohol and tobacco, as well as calling for a review of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.
"Yet this report received no media attention or a response from the Home Office. Instead, it conveniently got buried under discussions on the legal status of mephedrone."
The Lancet said: "It is too easy and potentially counterproductive to ban each new substance that comes along rather than seek to understand more about young people's motivations and how we can influence them."
Two members of the committee quit in quick succession during the row over the Mephedrone.
One, Dr Polly Taylor, said she feared the government would interfere with the council's scientific advice. The second, Eric Carlin, said there had been no proper discussion of the effect a ban would have on the behaviour of young people.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/8623958.stm
Published: 2010/04/16 11:37:06 GMT
© BBC MMX
[size=+1]Mephedrone ban comes into force in UK[/size]
A ban on synthetic stimulant mephedrone has come into force across the UK.
The drug and its related compounds are now Class B substances after measures were rushed through Parliament.
The Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) had recommended a ban, saying the substance was "likely to be harmful" despite incomplete research.
But the leading medical journal The Lancet has questioned the ban, saying it had been rushed and politics had been allowed to "contaminate" science.
Mephedrone, also known as Meow, Bubbles and MCAT, is derived from cathinone, a compound found in a plant called Khat.
he laboratory-produced drug has a similar effect to amphetamines, ecstasy or cocaine. But it also causes nausea, palpitations and vomiting.
The drug has been linked to a number of deaths but there has been no conclusive scientific proof yet that it has been responsible for any of them on its own.
Under the drug classification rules, anyone found carrying Mephedrone could face up to five years imprisonment - while dealers could receive up to 14 years.
The Association of Chief Police Officers urged forces to target dealers, saying that it had no intention of criminalising young people who had been using it.
In the days running up to the ban, police officers and local councils approached retailers who were selling the drug asking them to voluntarily surrender supplies.
A number of websites that were selling the drug have also closed down.
Lancet editorial
But in an editorial timed to coincide with the ban, The Lancet medical journal said the manner in which Mephedrone had been dealt with signalled a "collapse in integrity of scientific advice in the UK".
It said the advisory council had been still discussing its own draft report into Mephedrone-like substances when its chairman briefed the home secretary on a recommendation to ban them.
"Equally notable was the very quiet release on the same day of the ACMD's other report… a a detailed progress report on recommendations made in 2006 on hazardous drug use," said the journal.
"The report contains some potentially unpalatable conclusions on tackling young people's problems, including not enough being done on alcohol and tobacco, as well as calling for a review of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971.
"Yet this report received no media attention or a response from the Home Office. Instead, it conveniently got buried under discussions on the legal status of mephedrone."
The Lancet said: "It is too easy and potentially counterproductive to ban each new substance that comes along rather than seek to understand more about young people's motivations and how we can influence them."
Two members of the committee quit in quick succession during the row over the Mephedrone.
One, Dr Polly Taylor, said she feared the government would interfere with the council's scientific advice. The second, Eric Carlin, said there had been no proper discussion of the effect a ban would have on the behaviour of young people.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/8623958.stm
Published: 2010/04/16 11:37:06 GMT
© BBC MMX
Police raid Meow shops
Police raid Meow shops
A crackdown on mephedrone yesterday resulted in thousands of traders handing over their stocks before a ban on the dangerous party drug comes into force tomorrow.
Trading Standards visited shops and made test purchases of the drug - known as meow meow and M-cat - that has been sold as plant food and been linked to 26 deaths. From tomorrow it will be class B. Possession will carry a maximum sentence of five years.
Cllr Paul Bettison, of the Local Government Association, said the moves are so "supplies are handed to authorities so this potentially damaging drug is cleared from shelves".
Link: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/15/police-raid-meow-shops-115875-22187161/
Police raid Meow shops
A crackdown on mephedrone yesterday resulted in thousands of traders handing over their stocks before a ban on the dangerous party drug comes into force tomorrow.
Trading Standards visited shops and made test purchases of the drug - known as meow meow and M-cat - that has been sold as plant food and been linked to 26 deaths. From tomorrow it will be class B. Possession will carry a maximum sentence of five years.
Cllr Paul Bettison, of the Local Government Association, said the moves are so "supplies are handed to authorities so this potentially damaging drug is cleared from shelves".
Link: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/04/15/police-raid-meow-shops-115875-22187161/
slackhands
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I'm still heavily addicted to mephedrone, and my only supplier is drying up rapidly! What on earth do i do?
rickolasnice
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Anyone read in the paper (can't remember which one.. mirror maybe?) that they raided some guy hours after the ban and arrested him for 6 bags (didn't say how much "bags" were)
Wankers.
Complete wankers.
Wankers.
Complete wankers.
Move on to another drug?
I have read a couple of reports saying this. One in Blackburn and another in Taunton.
Another
Total and complete utter wankers.
I was thinking about this today and, after checking up on it, even when handguns were banned in 1998 there was a month-long amnesty. Just goes to show how cuntish the Government and police really are.
I NUK3D U
Bluelighter
^not