The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

[bignbrown]

good to hear mate, hope i can sort myself out soon aswell, us two should never bother ordering bottles should we haha.

 

[DS_]

I'm almost 48 hours clear. Just spent today in bed, got no energy to do anything.

My main thing just now is just avoiding people and staying on my own. My family keep shouting at me which does my anxiety and situation no help. I'm telling them I'm ill and to leave me alone biut they don't fucking listen. By tomorrow hopefully I'll be getting back to normal.

Good to hear. I'm almost on the straight and narrow again. I'm doing 0.4ml every 3 hours now. I'm dreading work tomorrow where I will have to guess my doses and possibly do more than I need to but I will pick up my vallies so that's all good.

 

[bignbrown]

never had these sort of withdrawals, very intense and just being chucked into delerium.

 

[DS_]

never had these sort of withdrawals, very intense and just being chucked into delerium.

Eek. What have you got to help you through?

 

[DS_]

DS: If you really think you need Geebie to get through work tomorrow, or even taking some with you as a precaution in case shakes or what not, go get those energy shots. Roby used to chug those sometimes when he was feeling tired. The wee bottle is perfect for putting a measured dose in along with your beverage of choice for consuming.

It has a label on it saying its an energy drink so you can take it where ever you want. Just an idea.

Never had to go through WD's before but Roby has. They're quite handy for someone who is tapering. .4 ml shouldnt be all that much to be noticable if you need to take it at work. Perhaps maybe .3 just in case. Only an idea.

Hope work isnt too bad for ya. Keep up the good work.

That's a bloody good idea! I'm feeling pretty good at the moment though it's been almost three hours since my last dose and I'm perky. Last few days of WD's I'd imagine.

Lovely!

 

[65daysofstatic]

As someone earlier said, although this will go against every recommended approach, a half bottle of spirit a day during the first few days can do your sanity wonders. Benzos are great if you can get them.

Today I've just stayed in bed then drank at night. Tomorrow I should be past most of the wd's and I'll maybe just have a few beers in the evening.

 

[Shambles]

I think half a bottle of spirits is maybe a lil on the high side but a certain amount of alcohol has worked wonders for me withdrawing from everything I've ever withdrawn from. It's certainly not harm reduction at its finest... but it really does help some people. I'd take it steady though - you don't want a killer hangover on top of geebee withdrawals and too much booze whilst you're already feeling light-headed, nauseous and got the room spinning around you may not be too much fun either.

 

[65daysofstatic]

I think half a bottle of spirits is maybe a lil on the high side but a certain amount of alcohol has worked wonders for me withdrawing from everything I've ever withdrawn from. It's certainly not harm reduction at its finest... but it really does help some people. I'd take it steady though - you don't want a killer hangover on top of geebee withdrawals and too much booze whilst you're already feeling light-headed, nauseous and got the room spinning around you may not be too much fun either.

I forgot to add that I'm scottish and need to drink a shit load of alcohol for it to do anything .

I feel much the same today as yesterday, maybe a bit better, got the doctors tomorrow so hopefully I get prescribed Baclofen or pregs and finally I have a proper gaba detox of sorts.

 

[toxi]

I developed physical addiction last week. Been taking non stop since Thursday afternoon, slept for about 5hrs till Monday when I collapsed in a club after overdosing. I had seizures and everything and didn't take any since 4PM yesterday..

I managed to sleep last night after getting anxiety attacks and temperature changes with 3.75mg of zopiclone.

Woke up today, felt fine and after 3 hours the anxiety kicked in again and i took 2.5mg of valium which helped me relax. I'm feeling very sleepy now, 2hrs after taking the valium and might just head straight to bed..


I think I should be fine by tomorrow, when i will give up the benzo's. If required, I will keep dosing 2.5mg of valium as needed until I stop having anxiety attacks. I've only got 7.5mg of valium left so i should be alright.

 

[brokenbrain]

How do you describe it as physical addiction after 5 days use?
I think it takes a lot of continous taking to fuck your different neurotransmitters up to the point where it would be called physical addiction.
It starts with psychological addiction to the effects and then at some point everyone but shambles finds that it totally prevents sleep.
If I were to take any after 1pm I have strong doubts that I would sleep for that night. Certainly a single 1.5ml dose at 7pm and for me = no sleep.
The fact that shambles can take all those doses and then sleep is the reverse of me.
If it wasn't for the dopamine rebound I would never have used it for sleep. Treacle goes on and on about the rebound not being responsible for any thing. All short term "addictions" to GBL are either because you like the feeling too much or too much dopamine gives you very high anxiety or at least no sleep.If you took it 24/7 for 6 months then no doubt your serotonin/dopamine/gaba-b and glutamate receptors would be all over the place.

I can't do the not sleeping thing as I can't spend all night online due to no connection still and have day time things to do. 2 reasons I'm currently keeping away from it. I have easy access yet no urge to take, probably because finally the negatives outweigh the positives. Too many 10+ days taking it and it taking 14+ days to sort of recover.

 

[Full Effect]

Anyone had any 'difficulties' with overseas orders ?

 

[toxi]

Well I describe it as physical addiction as I have no urge to take it to get high, only *have* to take it to sleep at night (waking up every 2-3 hrs if I dont) and I get anxiety attacks all day long. Basically my body keeps waking itself up every 4hrs, even now that I'm under the influence of diazepam. so it's just asking for its shot. I'm pretty sure though I can overcome this quite easily. I keep my benzo dosage low and shouldnt take more than 2-3 days till I'm back to normal. I booked an appointment with my GP, hopefully they'll get to prescribe me some pregabalin for the anxiety attacks.

I will try G once again, only by itself this time. I won't mix it with any uppers and see where that will go. But it won't be happening anytime soon, at least in a month's time from now.

You reckon it's gonna take me a couple weeks to recover from this? I know its just about the dopamine rebound thing that wont let me sleep, thats why I've been continuously repeating dosing the last few days. After research I've done here, it seems that its still early and I can work my way out.

 

[brokenbrain]

Couple of weeks for me, but I've been an (ab)user for 4.5 years. For someone new to the stuff it should take no more than a week for your brain to return to normal. It has a honeymoon for most people where you don't get awful withdrawals, but it gets steadily worse.
Apart from Shambles who as we all know is not 100% human....I reckon he belongs in an x-file

 

[DS_]

Well I describe it as physical addiction as I have no urge to take it to get high, only *have* to take it to sleep at night (waking up every 2-3 hrs if I dont) and I get anxiety attacks all day long. Basically my body keeps waking itself up every 4hrs, even now that I'm under the influence of diazepam. so it's just asking for its shot. I'm pretty sure though I can overcome this quite easily. I keep my benzo dosage low and shouldnt take more than 2-3 days till I'm back to normal. I booked an appointment with my GP, hopefully they'll get to prescribe me some pregabalin for the anxiety attacks.

I will try G once again, only by itself this time. I won't mix it with any uppers and see where that will go. But it won't be happening anytime soon, at least in a month's time from now.

You reckon it's gonna take me a couple weeks to recover from this? I know its just about the dopamine rebound thing that wont let me sleep, thats why I've been continuously repeating dosing the last few days. After research I've done here, it seems that its still early and I can work my way out.

It seems you've got the exact same thing as me. I've found that the drug becomes slightly more moreish once you've beat the addiction once or twice because you convince your self that it'll be easy to kick again.

I've got some blues coming tomorrow, haven't they helped you sleep at all? How much have you been taking?

 

[toxi]

It seems you've got the exact same thing as me. I've found that the drug becomes slightly more moreish once you've beat the addiction once or twice because you convince your self that it'll be easy to kick again.

I've got some blues coming tomorrow, haven't they helped you sleep at all? How much have you been taking?

I'm sort of feeling that if I do it again anytime soon, I'll get the same symptoms again. I've only been doing GBL regularly for the past month but as I've done lots of reading beforehand, I was always scared by the idea of me becoming physically addicted to it. After collapsing yesterday, I came back home and spent the night in, trying to sleep and thinking about it.

The valiums helped me loads with coping with anxiety and everything. I only took 2.5mg as its the first time I took them. I only have a total of 20mg and don't intend to get more as getting them prescribed is out of the questionl. I slept my way throughout the whole day and I'm now feeling ready to head back to bed again. It's 5 days of sleep I'm catching up with here so I guess I'll need it. I think it all depends on your tolerance with benzo's though. As my addiction isn't that serious (yet) I think I should be fine by tomorrow. I still have G at home, but I don't even feel like touching it again soon. I think I'll need a couple weeks to be completely back to normal and I'm steering off all types of drugs during that time.

I booked an appointment with my GP tomorrow and I'm going to try and get some pregabalin prescribed but I don't think I'll need the massive amounts people here seem to have been getting. Even tapering the valiums by starting at 40mg seems too much for me. Do you have a tolerance to benzos ?

 

[Shambles]

Apart from Shambles who as we all know is not 100% human....I reckon he belongs in an x-file

I do half wonder if I may have some kinda ADHD style o' thing sometimes cos of the dopamine thing. Happens on peevee too - I'm not so inhuman I can sleep initially but once I'm fully saturated with dopamine I can sleep fine on it. With G there's a window of opportunity for sleep. If I take a KO dose (through carelessness - never do it deliberately) then I'll rebound and not be able to get back to sleep. But anything short of a KO dose and I sleep like a baby pretty much.

The dreams are getting truly bizarre now though. Indistinguishable from reality - almost more like descriptions of sleep paralysis, to be honest. Last night I was sort of conscious but couldn't move with my eyes just slightly cracked open and could "see" the blurred shape of someone I know stood over me with a knife, or screwdriver. In my head I was at a place I used to live at being observed and "pretending" to be asleep. As I came round I slowly realised that I didn't live there anymore and there was nobody there. And that even if there was this person would not be likely to get stabby with me. It was kinda freaky. Then there are the rats... If anything will make me take a break (other than running out and not ordering more instantly) it'll be these dreams cos they're straying into somewhat uncomfortable territory

 

[65daysofstatic]

I do half wonder if I may have some kinda ADHD style o' thing sometimes cos of the dopamine thing. Happens on peevee too - I'm not so inhuman I can sleep initially but once I'm fully saturated with dopamine I can sleep fine on it. With G there's a window of opportunity for sleep. If I take a KO dose (through carelessness - never do it deliberately) then I'll rebound and not be able to get back to sleep. But anything short of a KO dose and I sleep like a baby pretty much.

The dreams are getting truly bizarre now though. Indistinguishable from reality - almost more like descriptions of sleep paralysis, to be honest. Last night I was sort of conscious but couldn't move with my eyes just slightly cracked open and could "see" the blurred shape of someone I know stood over me with a knife, or screwdriver. In my head I was at a place I used to live at being observed and "pretending" to be asleep. As I came round I slowly realised that I didn't live there anymore and there was nobody there. And that even if there was this person would not be likely to get stabby with me. It was kinda freaky. Then there are the rats... If anything will make me take a break (other than running out and not ordering more instantly) it'll be these dreams cos they're straying into somewhat uncomfortable territory

I get similar sleep related happenings.

Being on gaba substances and withdrawing from then does funny things to my sleep. To the point where the idea of going to sleep makes me worried.

For a while I used to sleep listening to soft music like Sigur Ros or Simon and Garfunkel to take my mind off what might happen.

My mad sleep paralysis and dreams can be enjoyable in a way though .

I woke up the other night with no idea who or where I was, that wasn't so fun...

 

[65daysofstatic]

Does anyone know roughly how long it takes after regular use for dependence to clear and for the gaba levels to return back to normal?

IE if you plan on having breaks, how long should the breaks last?

In my experience withdrawals tend to peak for the first couple of days (in spells) then linger for several days after, again in spells. But I think it takes weeks for the gaba levels to get back to normal?

 

[toxi]

Thats a question I'd like to get answered too.

I've been off it for some time, established a decent sleeping schedule for the last 3 days at least.

Just a question, as I know I'll be using it again soon, does anyone know where can I get hold of a dropper bottle with a measuring dropper/pipette ? I'm not talking about the simple ones boots sells, but one that actually displays how much liquid is inserted in the dropper..

 

[debaser]

^ Buy a BD 2.5ml syringe in a pharmacy and throw away the needle.