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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Mescaline Extraction thread

sorry if you're starting to like me. you have NOTHING of interest to me, and i know I have more knowledge of chemistry, plants, drugs, and spirituality than you. you have the mind of a child, and i don't mean the kind that Jesus wanted us to be like. you must not have any friend IRL, because all you do is go from forum to forum, looking for a ban. i've got better things to do than argue with you, like study math and get high. see you in the next life!



i'm putting you on my ignore list starting... now.
 
ya you know more about plant-drugs than me. HA!

that is why you won't respond to the jurema comment, right?

i'm putting you on my ignore list starting... now.
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lol, a good way to escape having to answer that question. nice.
 
Mescaline acetate polarity & purification question

The d-limonene tek that is floating around appears to be wildly popular but it looks like most people wind up with a large amount (totally anecdotal but 50% seems to be the number) of other alkaloids as well.

The OP and creator of the extraction method over at DMT-nexus (69ron) suggests that washing with methyl ethyl ketone would be a great way to remove the other alkaloids (I don't want to call them impurities since several seem to be psychoactive.)

Now I don't know that post-evaporation there would be enough MEK left in the product to cause concern, but it does ruin the whole "food-safe" theme of the extraction.

I've been trying to find a food-grade product that has similar properties to MEK but my chemistry knowledge is nowhere near sufficient to provide me with the appropriate resources here.

It's easy enough to find all kinds of material regarding the chemistry of MEK but I feel like I'm wandering in the dark trying to find something analogous and innocuous in the grocery store (or to order online).

69ron (the originator of this method) suggested using d-limonene once again during the purification (as the non-polar) and titrating in acetone, which was a very interesting suggestion. Unfortunately he didn't know the polarity of mescaline acetate or the other alkaloids so that would require a ton of material and a lot of time for trial and error to come up with an ideal ratio of acetone:d-limonene. :(

Does anyone have any suggestions regarding a solution to use for washing the acetate?
 
i'd be willing to bet that most of the other alkaloids are also PEA's or similar enough to have very similar chemical properties that would make them even more difficult to separate. I'm by no means a chemist though.

On a side note how much extra are people having to dose to compensate for this? I'd imagine some of the other alkaloids are active, and I'd probably like to have a cactus extract experience, but I can see why some would want pure mescaline acetate.

Also, does the acetate seem to come on more quickly? I'd imagine the acetate causes it to be more soluble in lipids, thus perhaps making it past the BBB a little quicker. Perhaps the increased lipid solubility, if it exists would provide an idea for something to wash it with. Grocery stores contain lots of lipids.
 
acetate is a salt form, and once they are in the body the original salt form does not really matter-- the stomach is filled with HCl anyway.

salts are charged (RNH3+) and are not lipid soluble. the free base (RNH2) is lipid soluble.

if the acetate form seems to come on more quickly, then it must be due to the fuller-spectrum alkaloid content.
 
Most of the other alkaloids found in San Pedro cacti are phenolic, so they are ionized in strong base and do not extract into the organic solvent, be it limonene or toluene. If you use enough base, the major impurities are probably lipids and waxes.
 
I have performed the 69ron extract many times on my homegrown beauties, the MEK wash can be considered food-safe

MEk, or methylethylketone, or butanone has a LD50 of 2737 mg/kg in rats,and sorry if i am over-explaining but basically for a 150 pound human that translates to it taking 186 grams of MEK to have a 50% chance of killing you ( these are all rounded and i do not condone you drinking 186 grams of MEK) but anyway, the amount of MEK left over after it is dried is NEGLIGIBLE and completly non-harmful. I would consider any extraction involing mek to be foodsafe as its toxicity is about that of table salt.

calcing in the density of MEK, and assuming you are doing with 400 mg of mescaline.

you would have to drink 233 mL's of MEk with your dose to kill yourself, clearly an impossible mistake.


Sorry for my grammar, prose and diction I am drunk. ( universal excuse)
 
so im assuming this question goes here....

ive preformed a normal cactus extraction that ended up with a cup of sludgy cactus snot. my question is, can i put this in a glass tray in the oven on a very low heat, evap until its a powder then stuff in gel caps or will that degrade the mescaline

im sure this has been answered before but i couldnt think of the words id need to use to search for it.

thanks.
 
why don't you just add water, simmer on the stove until it is reduced to a small amount, and drink it down in one shot?

(sorry, I have no experience other than with that method)
 
yeah, thats how ive always done it. i ask because no matter how small the amount i end up throwing it up (though i have always managed to hold it down long enough to trip), i was curious if the powder would work any better in this regard.
 
i have heard the sticking thing can be a problem, in the above tutorial they suggested a nonstick pan, i dont have any (and wonder if the nonstick part would flake off when trying to remove the mescaline), im gunna try it with a glass pan and see how it works.
 
daysonatrain said:
i have heard the sticking thing can be a problem, in the above tutorial they suggested a nonstick pan, i dont have any (and wonder if the nonstick part would flake off when trying to remove the mescaline), im gunna try it with a glass pan and see how it works.
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definetily report back im interested as well
 
that sucks about the puking... I must have an iron stomach. I've never even gotten nausea from mescaline or mushrooms.

I do, however, always brew a pot of ginger tea before I ingest mescaline or shrooms. Try it out. next time.
 
yeah, ive tried ginger tea.

i just have a really weak stomach from acid reflux.

will report back when i do this, probably tomorrow (preparing, not eating), GC
 
I'm preparing for my first A/B extraction (and first mescaline trip incidentally) and i've got a quick question.

Will Turpentine substitute for Xylene? I've found some mineral turpentine around the house and i'd rather use that than go buy some xylene if it'll work just as well. Heres the MSDS: http://www.recochem.com.au/files/downloads/Mineral_Turpentine_v2.pdf
I'm thinking it will seeing as its just White Spirit and Naptha
 
before using any solvent, test a small portion to see if it evaporates cleanly.

personally it seems mineral turpentine is a heavier fraction (C9-C16) compared to most light naptha (C5-C12), so your solubilities may change compared to naptha.

naptha does not really substitute for xylene though, as xylene dissolves the aromatic molecules in question very well.
 
Need Assistance

Hey so ive peeled and chopped a 2-foot san pedro, mashed it to small chunks, and its currently boiling in water.... now what should i do? Thanks in advance
 
hmm... true, but is there a way to reduce the "cacti tea" to a fine powder or boil it down to a point where all i need is a quick shot of it? (just not looking forward to chugging a lot :/
 
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