• HEALTH & RECOVERY
    Welcome Guest
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules Thread Directory 1 Thread Directory 2
    Mindfulness Links Addiction & Mind
    Sober Living Partner Program (SLiPP)
  • H&R Moderators: VerbalTruist

Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only - V.2: MERGED with amps quitting thread

Status
Not open for further replies.
^ I wrote a bit more about my decision in my blog. It basically comes down to the fact that without methamphetamine I can't have a life. The doctors I've seen know how much I'm suffering, but since I don't have fucking ADHD they say they can't prescribe me dexies. Hell, maybe I should research ADHD so I know the symptoms, ask a shrink to test me for it and fake having it.
 
Don't give up Sweet P,
Look how far you have come. I loathe that mental health professionals will give out methadone in an instant, but harm reduction for other drugs is unthinkable, but it may take time. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm amazed at your strength and I hope you find peace, and a way to wrench yourself from the clutches of meth. It grasps ahold of you, and makes you feel as if life without it is impossible. But the PAWS will improve, I promise you. And your brain and body do heal, and you will feel again, without the drugs.
Do what you can, with the tools that you have. And that is all you can ask of yourself.
 
Sweet P, the doctors where I am from seem to basically give you amphetamines if you were to only ask.....

My opinion is, and this is an opinion... that it would be better to mislead a doctor into rx'ing d-amp than to abuse street meth.
 
^ The doctors seem to be a lot stricter here in NZ. At least, the doctors I've seen were. I've asked for d-amp time and time again, and they keep refusing to prescribe it, even when I've told them that it's a much safer option than continuing to use meth. Last week I actually asked my drug nurse why the local drug & alcohol service won't prescribe them to me, and she said there were a number of reasons. I asked her what those reasons were, and she said the doctors were worried that it could worsen my addiction, and even that I might sell it on the streets to continue funding my meth habit. WTF? Seriously, they're a pack of dumb fucks.
 
Last edited:
a doctor (who is smart) will not RX highly abusable prescriptions to a drug-addict. Its not really you personally, its just his career he's worried about.
 
^ Exactly - they're trying to cover their own asses at my expense. I'm so tempted to leave the drug & alcohol service... the counselling isn't doing shit for me. I need medication, but they won't give it to me. So fuck 'em. Hopefully the court won't make me keep attending when I get sentenced in May.
 
motiv311 said:
just curious ... how much d-amp's would you do on an average day were you to get the rx? LIke mg's ?
Click to expand...

No idea... depends how much the doc prescribes me. If I did get the prescription it would probably be closely controlled so I couldn't abuse it, so I don't know what they're worried about. I mean, I'd probably have to dose each day at the pharmacy or something.
 
wow ^^ that definitely would not fly in my country. .

'
adderall and such are not drugs you get dosed daily like methodone clinics lol
 
^ Not usually, but they probably would be if they were being prescribed to an addict for off-label reasons.
 
Sweet P said:
Hi all... unfortunately I'm going back to using. The health system is refusing to put me on safe pharmaceutical amphetamines, so I'm forced to going back to scoring from dealers and gangs. Hopefully my shrink might change her mind one day, when she realises how quickly I'm falling downhill, but until then I'll be using like I used to. It's the only way I can live as a normal human being.
Click to expand...

Sweet P

I don't blame you for relapsing, it's despicable they offer you nothing to help you with the PAWS. Methadone and Suboxone/Subutex are great options for opiate addicts, and Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin/Focalin are great options for crack/cocaine and meth addicts. I am really appalled they won't help you out at all, but it's a rare thing to happen in the US as well, though I am sure if you found the right person in the US you could probably make it happen.

PM me some time if you want to talk.
 
shit..here she could maybe get fucking desoxyn lulz, but yeah, i have a dex prescription, they hand rx speed out like hotcakes. Lots of kids last year at mah schools got busted selling adderalls.
 
motiv311 said:
wow ^^ that definitely would not fly in my country. .

'
adderall and such are not drugs you get dosed daily like methodone clinics lol
Click to expand...

That seems to be the overwhelming response to the suggestion of prescription amphetamines for meth addicts and such - immediately brushed off without much thought but think about it - why would it be a bad idea? There's been research to suggest meth addicts supplemented with d-amp have a lower rate of relapse than those given anti psychotics or nothing.

And you can get daily doses of anything really, I've been on daily pick up doses of benzos and naltrexone before just because the routine of going to the drug clinic every morning was good for me - daily picks ups aren't a hard thing to organise.

Anyway, Sweet P - have you thought about asking for modafinil..? You might have more luck as it's not seen as so abusable. I don't have any experience with it but I've heard some people find it effective. I was part of the clinical trial for it's use in meth addiction but I'm 99.9% sure I got the placebo as that was the worst withdrawal I've ever gone through.
 
^ Haven't heard of modafinil... I'll look into it and perhaps suggest it to my drug counsellor sometime. But I'm not getting my hopes up. Daily pick-up doses wouldn't be a problem for me if it meant getting the medication I need. I'm currently on a weekly pick-up for my clonazepam and diazepam, to prevent me abusing them.
 
^umm why not? it's been proven to be successful in some trials worldwide.

the mode of action is similar to amphetamines in respects, yet the abuse potential is quite minimal. here's a few small excerpts from the wiki.

wiki said:
Modafinil, like other stimulants, increases the release of monoamines, specifically the catecholamines norepinephrine and dopamine, from the synaptic terminals. However, modafinil also elevates hypothalamic histamine levels, leading some researchers to consider Modafinil a "wakefulness promoting agent" rather than a classic amphetamine-like stimulant (as evidenced by the difference in c-Fos distribution caused by modafinil as compared to amphetamine). Despite modafinil's histaminergic action, it still partially shares the actions of amphetamine-class stimulants due to its effects on norepinephrine and dopamine.

An NIAAA study highlighted "the need for heightened awareness for potential abuse of and dependence on modafinil in vulnerable populations" due to the drug's effect on dopamine in the brain's reward center. However, the synergistic actions of modafinil on both catecholaminergic and histaminergic pathways lowers abuse potential as compared to traditional stimulant drugs while maintaining the effectiveness of the drug as a wakefulness promoting agent. Studies have suggested that modafinil "has limited potential for large-scale abuse" and "does not possess an addictive potential in naive [new] individuals."

Other potentially effective, but similarly unapproved targets include the treatment of depression, cocaine dependence, Parkinson's disease, schizophrenia, and disease-related fatigue.

OFF LABEL USE

ADHD
As of February 2007, there are at least seven English-language articles on randomized clinical trials in humans in the Medline database addressing the use of modafinil for the treatment of attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD)[citation needed]. Some studies have shown the use of modafinil in the treatment of ADHD is associated with significant improvements in primary outcome measures.[citation needed] Cognitive function in ADHD patients was also found to improve following modafinil treatment, in some studies.[citation needed] Studies for ADHD report insomnia and headache were the most common adverse effects, seen in approximately 20% of treated individuals.[citation needed] These studies were not adequate to demonstrate that the beneficial effects of modafinil are maintained with chronic administration. Additional large, long-term studies using flexible titration methods to establish safety and efficacy and head-to-head comparisons between modafinil and stimulants are needed to determine the role of modafinil in the treatment of ADHD.
Click to expand...

it's definitely got it's place for amphetamine replacement therapy in my opinion.


i'm still clean and have decided not to use on my birthday next week:)
 
^ Glad to hear you're still clean and aren't gonna use on your birthday. I think that's the safest choice. :)

I've got an appointment with a shrink from the drug & alcohol this Friday to review my medication, so I might print out some info about Modafinil to show her. I'm still gonna try to persuade her to prescribe the d-amps though - I don't give up easily!
 
What do you do when the drug has affected you beyond the levels of withdrawal, physical deterioration and mental stability?

What I mean by that is: How do deal with the MOTIVATION aspect of it?

I have been doing crystal for 8 years with a use pattern that fluctuates constantly. Doing it every day for 3 years straight seemed to be easier to overcome comparing it to the way I currently use, and how I used BEFORE and AFTER those 3 years. Dealing with those eye tremors and body shakes after only 8 hours of not doing any were the worst, but NOTHING compared to the overall general feeling I experience now. I have absolutely no motivation to do ANYTHING other than getting wacked and eating when I have to.

The only good thing in my life (my girl) that matters more than anything me, I destroy along with everything else going for me due to not wanting to do anything AT ALL, except get high. The motivational factors that I used in the past to get ahead in life, I cannot seem to do the same anymore. I seem to do everything opposite of the way I feel about my girl and career and its come to the point where i'm just SAYING shit and doing fuck all to reinforce those words. I dont understand how this happened, Ive been a heavy user and poly-substance addict for 11 years and the times where my addictions SHOULD have been at their worst dont even compare to how bad things got as I cut down on my use. All the good things that I love, want and NEED, have completely lost the encouragement values they once had and subside my emotions. The only reason I still have a place to live, food to eat and money to spend, is because I have a father that puts up with a lot of shit.

What the fuck are you suppose to do when the most basic, obvious and EASY things become irrelevant and not even worth doing? I guess you can say, I literally dont want to and WILL NOT do anything when sober, and ONLY getting high can spring the motivation to do these things. This addiction would be a lot easier to kick IF I was able to actually WANT to do something and then actually doing it.

I hope this all made sense. I'm sorry if I posted this in the wrong place or if I broke any of the thread rules, This is my first real post on this site so im still familiarizing myself with everything. Please, If anyone has any advice lemme hear it because I cant live like this anymore nor do I want to.

Be strong and stay safe.
Dexter.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top