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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v2; 2010

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Nice. Gotta put it on tha grocery list then. It's an entactogen? Does it give a good high, anyone?

I wonder when the day comes that I've actually tried have tried all the shit I say I'm gonna do.
 
DangerChamber said:
50 grams of 4-MMC?

overdoing it much?
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Stocking up. I found a Us source with great prices and everyone I hear is hving issues with customs and shipments getting lost or taking weeks to come. this is overnight and a great deal. I will ration it and split if up and stash it in safe palces so I don't have it all around me.

To c.h. yeah the 5-meo-DMt scares me the most. Never tried JWH but I can't smoke weed due to bupe program drug tests and ahven't in years so I am excited to get that type of experience again. Plus I thought a dose was like 30mg when i ordered 2g's and now I find out it is 1-3mg for most people especially with no cannabis tolerance so that makes me happy. :)

when I do big 2c-c IM and IV trips it is so nuts and awesome and the introspective nature makes you see how bad dope is and that there are so many more positive things in the world, substance or not that blow opiates away. 2c-e and 2c-t2 are going to be different beasts which I will start tame with oral doses before attempting to IM. gotta get bacteriostatic water and microns which reminds me I need to respond to a PM.
 
has anyone heard suboxone or bupe on a tv show or song.(media) alkaline trios new record has a whole lot of heroin, methadone metaphors but no mention of subs.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
16mg is a lot for someone without a tolerance, I would stick to one or two pills if you are aiming for a high dose.

I also regularly go through the mega thread, and the Other Drugs forum, so I'm going to merge this into the mega thread. ;)



Oh, 2mg, not 2 pills.

2mg is an ideal amount for someone with no tolerance, that's how much I take now when I take it sublingually.

You might buzz harder later, but no, you won't OD, and you won't feel awful unless you really don't like puking. :)
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Sorry Captain, I think for the first time Im going to have to disagree with you. I completely disagree that 2mg is an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance. I think it is FAR too much.

For example. when I first got put on bupe, of course my doc put me on an absurd dose (16mg per day). My gf wanted to try some (she has no tolerance) so I figured that if I was taking 16mg then she should certainly be fine taking 1/8th of what Im taking (2mg). She took the 2mg and literally was puking about every hour for 48 hours.

Also, think about what you are saying. You have very often said that 2mg is enough to hold most opioid addicts. So if 2mg is a good maintenance dose for an opioid addict with a large tolerance, how can it also be an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance? See what I mean?-DG
 
yeah I would never advise anyone without a tolerance to go over 1mg or they will be puking their guts out. .5mg is a good recreational dose for them and they can MAYBE push it to 1mg, but 2mg would be absurd to recommend to someone with little to no tolerance. By little I mean If someone uses hydrocodone or says they can handle 60mg of oxy to gauge their 'tolerance' level like many opioid newbies do thinking it means anything then it should be assumed they don't have a tolerance (since they don't) and start with .5mg bupe.
 
I took ~1.5mg when i dosed and I was perfectly fine - and to put it into perspective. 15mg of oral oxy will have me high as balls for 5 hours, and <25 mg will most likely make me puke.
 
.5mg is good for a non tolerant user.. CH usually says that too. i think he might have been confused about something when he said 2mg.
i gave my best friend 2mg and he hasn't done any opiates besides vic's and he was sick as hell the whole night and next day.. i felt bad. but that was along time ago when i didnt know how strong it really was (it was when i first got put on it about 3 years ago).. oh yeah i almost forgot.. when he got sick i thought it was food poisoning from us eating mcdonalds earlier that night so i said "oh you just need more sub and you'll feel better" and gave him another 2mg lol it made him even worse.. what a good friend i am. now he wont even take .5mg if i offer it to him cuz he thinks he's gonna get really sick. :\
 
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why do docs think they need to prescribe that high?

how sure are we about the dosing? this thread is basically going directly against my/others doctor
 
qwe said:
why do docs think they need to prescribe that high?

how sure are we about the dosing? this thread is basically going directly against my/others doctor
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Yes you are right, it goes against what most docs prescribe...and there is a very good reason for this.

I suggest you read the thread I made on this subject. A lot of people got involved in the thread and the overwhelming consensus seems to agree with what I stated in my first post of the thread.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=485886

-DG
 
So I told my bupe doc I sometimes injects suboxone and he was chill about it. It's nice to have a sensible doctor for a change. He still won't give me subutex saying that it is frowned upon in the community and he could get a lot of shit for it or something. I just want it to avoid the nasty suboxone taste so I am LESS likely to IV it.
 
Oxymorphone said:
So I told my bupe doc I sometimes injects suboxone and he was chill about it. It's nice to have a sensible doctor for a change. He still won't give me subutex saying that it is frowned upon in the community and he could get a lot of shit for it or something. I just want it to avoid the nasty suboxone taste so I am LESS likely to IV it.
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Damn, he didn't jump on your ass? I don't actually have an actual bupe doc anymore, I just get my subs from a friend of mine, but the guy I used to go to would have cut me off if I even sublingualed an extra milligram, much less IVed.

I mean I guess it's possible to look at it different ways. I hated his guts at the time but looking back, he was a good guy who actually cared about helping people rather than just making a buck. But then you also have to take into account that when he did cut me off, I ended up on a 2 week heroin binge which lead to an overdose. All in all, I guess I'd say the chill approach is the way to go. Cause anytime anyone used to piss me off, I'd inevitably end up in a shooting gallery.
 
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Trigeminal said:
Damn, he didn't jump on your ass? I don't actually have an actual bupe doc anymore, I just get my subs from a friend of mine, but the guy I used to go to would have cut me off if I even sublingualed an extra milligram, much less IVed.

I mean I guess it's possible to look at it different ways. I hated his guts at the time but looking back, he was a good guy who actually cared about helping people rather than just making a buck. But then you also have to take into account that when he did cut me off, I ended up on a 2 week heroin binge which lead to an overdose. All in all, I guess I'd say the chill approach is the way to go. Cause anytime anyone used to piss me off, I'd inevitably end up in a shooting gallery.
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That approach makes zero sense and is completely irresponsible. Early on in this thread on page 1 and 2 you can see my horror story with my first two bupe doctors. One cut me off for some Bs reason causing me to relapse and the next cut me off when I told him I relapsed which is completely fucked up. The approach should be that if someone is struggling with opiates to give them MORE bupe instead of cut them off and send them to the streets.

This guy understands that and actually has some common sense, he made that very clear when I first met him after telling him my experiences with the past two and he was appalled as he should have been and laid out his stance on the issue which makes sense. So I'm glad he didn't flip a shit when I told him I sometimes get the urge to IV it, I was kind of testing him and he definitely passed. Still no subutex though because of some higher board or something he has to report to and they frown on it. :|
 
ne cut me off for some Bs reason causing me to relapse and the next cut me off when I told him I relapsed which is completely fucked up. The approach should be that if someone is struggling with opiates to give them MORE bupe instead of cut them off and send them to the streets.
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Exactly what happened to me, actually. He cut me off after I relapsed and persuaded my parents to kick me out. At first I was like fuck him I'll show him, I'll stay sober anyway -- he thinks I won't make it. But I was back on dope the same day. Overdosed within 2 weeks.
 
daddysgone said:
Sorry Captain, I think for the first time Im going to have to disagree with you. I completely disagree that 2mg is an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance. I think it is FAR too much.

For example. when I first got put on bupe, of course my doc put me on an absurd dose (16mg per day). My gf wanted to try some (she has no tolerance) so I figured that if I was taking 16mg then she should certainly be fine taking 1/8th of what Im taking (2mg). She took the 2mg and literally was puking about every hour for 48 hours.

Also, think about what you are saying. You have very often said that 2mg is enough to hold most opioid addicts. So if 2mg is a good maintenance dose for an opioid addict with a large tolerance, how can it also be an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance? See what I mean?-DG
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They already ate 2mg, so I advised that they don't take anymore.

You can't advise someone to go back in time and take less...do you see that time/space conundrum?

Ideally you would start at < 1000mcg as someone without an opiate tolerance, yes. I still have "some" opiate tolerance (really low though) and I'm dosing less than <1000mcg per day.

But they already took 2mg sublingually.

qwe said:
why do docs think they need to prescribe that high?

how sure are we about the dosing? this thread is basically going directly against my/others doctor
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Some people actually need that much. I took up to 6mg when I was first coming down to make life bearable, which is much more than I need now.

Oxymorphone said:
So I told my bupe doc I sometimes injects suboxone and he was chill about it. It's nice to have a sensible doctor for a change. He still won't give me subutex saying that it is frowned upon in the community and he could get a lot of shit for it or something. I just want it to avoid the nasty suboxone taste so I am LESS likely to IV it.
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What they also don't know is Suboxone breaks down quicker and easier in water than Subutex does.

It's weird your doctor didn't freak out when you told him that.
 
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Captain, not that it really matters, but I still think there is some confusion.
You stated in your post:

"2mg is an ideal amount for someone with no tolerance, that's how much I take now when I take it sublingually. "

Im not sure what you meant about "going back in time" but in the above quote you clearly seem to be stating that 2mg is an ideal amount for someone with no tolerance to take. Whether or not this person had already taken the bupe, you still stated that you believe 2mg is an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance.

I know that you don't believe this to be the case since you and I have had several discussions about the merits of low dose bupe (especially for someone with no tolerance), and Im quite certain that you believe 2mg is way too high of a starting dose for an opiate naive individual.

Your advice carries alot of weight around here so you might want to edit the part of your post where you state 2mg is an ideal dose for those with no tolerance. People might look at that and believe that you are condoning a starting dose of 2mg and consequently end up taking too much. Just a thought-thanks-DG
 
Try tapering to really low doses, like < 1mg.
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Well, I'm down to a µg dose (I took probably about 0.5 mg Monday at 3 in the morning, didn't make a sol'n so I don't know the exact amount) but I just took 1 mg now (about 40 h later) because it was psychologically getting to me. I know you take sub-mg doses daily, do cravings ever get to you? And do you have any suggestions for the mental aspect of it? I actually physically felt fine right up until I took it.

I typically run about 5 miles a day, on subs or not, so exercise doesn't really work for me since I'm accustomed to doing it regardless of my state of consciousness...
 
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daddysgone said:
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Captain, not that it really matters, but I still think there is some confusion.
You stated in your post:

"2mg is an ideal amount for someone with no tolerance, that's how much I take now when I take it sublingually. "

Im not sure what you meant about "going back in time" but in the above quote you clearly seem to be stating that 2mg is an ideal amount for someone with no tolerance to take. Whether or not this person had already taken the bupe, you still stated that you believe 2mg is an ideal dose for someone with no tolerance.

I know that you don't believe this to be the case since you and I have had several discussions about the merits of low dose bupe (especially for someone with no tolerance), and Im quite certain that you believe 2mg is way too high of a starting dose for an opiate naive individual.

Your advice carries alot of weight around here so you might want to edit the part of your post where you state 2mg is an ideal dose for those with no tolerance. People might look at that and believe that you are condoning a starting dose of 2mg and consequently end up taking too much. Just a thought-thanks-DG
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Some people are more or less sensitive to opiates. For people who are less sensitive to them, 2mg would be an ideal dose. For a different person who is sensitive to opiates, 2mg would have them vomiting for a long time - so they may want to try a much lower dose.

For people without an opiate tolerance there's a certain "range" for a starting dose, depending on a few factors. Young people and old people need less opiates than adults, and women need more opiates than men (I'm not sure if these generalities for full agonists apply to buprenorphine or not).

However for the person who already took 2mg, it sounded like they were asking about taking more. I don't think taking any more of that would increase any positive effects, which is why I advised them to stick to a 2mg dose, because they seem to be less sensitive to buprenorphine than I am.

2mg is a better dose for people with some opiate tolerance (a vicodin habit but not a heroin habit) and not for someone with absolutely no opiate tolerance. I'm sorry my past post was incorrect for everyone, but I was trying to speak for the person for whom I quoted.

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Well, I'm down to a µg dose (I took probably about 0.5 mg Monday at 3 in the morning, didn't make a sol'n so I don't know the exact amount) but I just took 1 mg now (about 40 h later) because it was psychologically getting to me. I know you take sub-mg doses daily, do cravings ever get to you? And do you have any suggestions for the mental aspect of it? I actually physically felt fine right up until I took it.

I typically run about 5 miles a day, on subs or not, so exercise doesn't really work for me since I'm accustomed to doing it regardless of my state of consciousness...
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micrograms is 'mcg' I believe.

Cravings are well held with buprenorphine and other drugs (weed, antihistamines, benzodiazepines) that I have more control with. What drugs you can use with control may vary per person, some people may become addicted to benzos, or psychologically dependent on weed.

Muscular exercise helps a lot for me, leg exercises are important as they raise testosterone and HGH levels. Running 5 miles a day is good too! :)
 
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