4-AcO-DET Vs. 4-AcO-MET

[love_sex_desire]

Please compare these two substances.

Any differences in effects?

Duration?

Body load?

And most importantly:

Which one do you enjoy more and why?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I haven't tried 4-AcO-DET, only the MET version... So you may regard what im going to say as quite useless.
But 4-aco-met was extremely gentle at 20mgs, it was shorter lived (but gentler) than mushrooms, but quicker in coming up.

And aside from the usually all-out crazy organic visuals I get with 3g + of mushrooms, the 4-AcO-MET really had flowing visuals, persian carpet type, very similar to LSD, i would say more so than Psilocybin. but to really be sure I'd need to take all 4 within a month or take some damn good trip notes to find out exactly what its like for me.

4-AcO-MET is super nice to say the least, 20-25mgs is perfect for a first time for anyone, i only have 60mg left and no seemingly possible way of getting more in the future so I'll have to savor what i have left with another.

Ahhh shit, the 1 and only night i took 20mg of 4-AcO-MET i took one hit of legitimate LSD (take two of these and its a very clean, totally legit LSD trip kinda thing)
sooo my info is probably completely useless now haha, but look at all this writing, i can't let it go to waste!

Lemme try to make this up to you:

4-AcO-MET
Duration: 3-5 hours (although taken at 8pm, my girlfriend and I couldn't sleep till about 6am, so there's definately some stimulating after effects that are present even when all the psychedelia is gone (except maybe some psychedelic thoughts, not internal visuals or anything, just thoughts)

Body Load: at the 20mg there was none whatsoever, (I always take 800mg of magnesium citrate before my trips to help with stomach discomfort) thats what I mean when I said this chem is extremely gentle, the unpleasants you'd find in a tryptamine (although i have many times more experience with 2c's and other PEAS than I do tryptamines)

NOTE: i eat as healthy as I can, even though I have to make use of these communist food points at my college (Chartwells dining services rarely ever have anything id consider healthy), I take many vitamins, supplements, alot specifically for brain function/neurotransmitter recovery), and run(excersize) every other day, which has definately helped with trip recovery, brain function, and overall reduction in unpleasant effects from psychedelics.

plus the MET is just so damn cool! MET is the *true* hybrid between DMT and DET, one methyl, one ethyl, damn... chemistry is so cool


Hope that helps Love & Sex,

 

[any major dude]

I've got some of both of these but haven't gotten to test them out yet. Thinkin about tryin one saturday, so I've been trying to make this same decision. I'll definitely let you know how it goes though.

 

[Trurl]

hi, i can't compare 4-aco-det with 4-aco-met but with 4-ho-met:

4-aco-det: very friendly, and very euphoric, i really like the bodyload, feels so great. it's my favorite tryptamine! never had a bad trip, i love it! all ROAs, IMing is very nice. since several month i use it 1-2 time per week. 2-4 hours and nice afterglow.

4-ho-met: feels mental and physical cold and dysphoric. IMing 20mg a few weeks ago was the worst trip in my life. a few times oral was a interesting experience, but i don't want it more often. oral 4 hours, the IM-experience lasted 6 hours: physical and mental hardcorehorror, very unexpected.

 

[alphabetalactone]

whats the legal status of these compounds in the uk, are they covered by the "catch most" clause?

 

[love_sex_desire]

^^ AFAIK they are illegal in the UK. I have no understanding of chemistry but it has something to do with the nitrogen attached to the molecule. I'm just guessing by looking at the structure of both 4-AcO-MET and 4-AcO-DET compared to the tryptamine AMT which is not illegal in the UK, and there seems to be a big difference. Hardly scientific, but maybe someone with chemistry and UK law knowledge can help you confirm that.

Anyone else have thoughts, extensions and commentary on these rather obscure compounds?

Thanks everyone.

 

[love_sex_desire]

hi, i can't compare 4-aco-det with 4-aco-met but with 4-ho-met:

4-aco-det: very friendly, and very euphoric, i really like the bodyload, feels so great. it's my favorite tryptamine! never had a bad trip, i love it! all ROAs, IMing is very nice. since several month i use it 1-2 time per week. 2-4 hours and nice afterglow.

4-ho-met: feels mental and physical cold and dysphoric. IMing 20mg a few weeks ago was the worst trip in my life. a few times oral was a interesting experience, but i don't want it more often. oral 4 hours, the IM-experience lasted 6 hours: physical and mental hardcorehorror, very unexpected.

What differences in doses have you found between 4-AcO-DET and 4-HO-MET. I understand hydroxylated compounds are usually a little more potent than their acetate versions.

What do you find to be an ideal oral dose of 4-ACO-DET?

 

[Trurl]

4-aco-det: euphoric, 4-ho-met: dysphoric and dissociative on higher dosage

dosage 4-aco-det: start oral with 20-25mg, plugging 15-18mg, IM 10-15mg

4-ho-met: my 1st trip was oral 30mg - intense and nice experience. but not recreational as 4-aco-det.

now 8mg 4-ho-met oral is my preferred dosage, a few nice cev's. but i use it rarely.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/4_acetoxy_det/4_acetoxy_det_primer.shtml

 

[love_sex_desire]

^ Thanks for the link! Good information about 4-aco-det.

Any other comments comparing 4-aco-det and 4-aco-met, or perhaps their -HO hydroxylated counterparts?

 

[any major dude]

tried 4-Aco-MET last night. Lasted longer than I thought it would, but definitely awesome. Could be my favorite 4-trypt thus far. I had some stomach discomfort, but it was pretty mild. Definitely less than i had with 4-Aco-DiPT, can't really recall how bad 4-Aco-DMT messed with my stomach though. Crazy ralph steadman-esque visuals, weird fractals & hyperspace tunnels with eyes closed at +6hrs, sleep not terribly difficult at +~7hrs. Will be doing this again. Hopefully I'll have a chance to try the DET counterpart in the next couple weeks

 

[love_sex_desire]

tried 4-Aco-MET last night. Lasted longer than I thought it would, but definitely awesome. Could be my favorite 4-trypt thus far. I had some stomach discomfort, but it was pretty mild. Definitely less than i had with 4-Aco-DiPT, can't really recall how bad 4-Aco-DMT messed with my stomach though. Crazy ralph steadman-esque visuals, weird fractals & hyperspace tunnels with eyes closed at +6hrs, sleep not terribly difficult at +~7hrs. Will be doing this again. Hopefully I'll have a chance to try the DET counterpart in the next couple weeks

May I ask what dose of 4-AcO-MET you took?

This one may be your favorite tryptamine on the magical 4th position? How intriguing!

What other 4th position tryptamine have you tried thus far?

I've tried 4-HO-DMT in shrooms, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT and am still waiting to try out my 4-HO-DiPT.

Thanks for the info!

Can anyone give some direct comparisons and preferences for those that have tried both 4-AcO-DET and 4-AcO-MET or their hydroxylated 4-HO relatives?

 

[any major dude]

May I ask what dose of 4-AcO-MET you took?

This one may be your favorite tryptamine on the magical 4th position? How intriguing!

What other 4th position tryptamine have you tried thus far?

I've tried 4-HO-DMT in shrooms, 4-HO-MiPT and 4-AcO-DMT and am still waiting to try out my 4-HO-DiPT.

Thanks for the info!

No problem, definitely enjoyed obtaining the info I took 1 ~14mg capsule and then a second at about T+45. I've tried 4-Aco-DMT, 4-Aco-DiPT, and 4-HO/PO-DMT (via shrooms). Wanna give some type of 4-xxx-MiPT a try at some point, haven't had the opportunity yet though.

The total duration for me seemed to be close to 8hrs. I was still having pretty wild CEV's and some open eye visual disturbances & general weirdness when I fell asleep, which was roundabouts T+7:30, give or take half an hour. I thought I was mostly down at around T+3:30, but had a ridiculous though ultimately positive interaction with law enforcement officials around that time, and subsequently smoked a blunt, so I dunno if the adrenaline or the reefer brought things back up to +++ level, but something sure did, ha.