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Hey, littledragon! Giving up heroin is indeed very, very hard. I feel like it's a drug one can't quit without making some pretty serious lifestyle changes. The fear of heroin WD ruining my current job which I just got keeps me from relapsing, but every day I am tempted to get more heroin or cocaine or other things. How have your attempts at quitting been? Is it mostly just you trying to lower your tolerance or have you tried kicking cold turkey before or maybe methadone (I forget if suboxone is an option in the UK or not....).
 
Hi Vladimir,

It's been a bit of a non starter to be honest with you, although I want to kick it I'm afraid that it's a bit half heartedly. I've tried Methadone but just end up using on top because as much as I want to give up, if i'm totally honest with myself I think I still want to carry on as well, sounds silly I know but I don't know if i'm strong enough yet. I seem to be losing more strength day by day.

It sounds as though you may be in a similar situation to me, i've just recently been threatened with the sack from my job because of all the time i've had off work from heroin WD's. That would be terrible as my job is the one thing I have left, ive lost every other thing I had... my family, my home, my money, my self respect etc.. the list goes on. I've been using all sorts of drugs since I was 13 but have always been in control of it, now it feels as though it's controlling me and i'm so disappointed with myself for letting it happen and being so weak. If I want to get everything back and believe me I do, I need to fight my demons but I fear it's a battle I can't win.

I have tried cold turkey, but I just sleep for about 24 hours then wake in so much pain and get so much sickness I probably last a few more hours and then give in. I've also tried Subutex but they didn't work for me. They made me pretty sick, I wasn't in precipitated WD I just think they're not suitable for me for some reason.

How right you are about the lifestyle changes, i've got a gym membership and keep telling myself i'm going to go but then i always give myself some excuse not to go, it's always a really lame excuse too! I think the first step for me would be to get out of the place i'm staying at the moment. I'm living in a shared house with my boyfriend and everyone here is a junkie too so the temptation is always there. Unfortunately I have an extremely addictive personality! My boyfriend uses as well but he has a lot more will power than me, he can quite easily stop for a while and just use the Subs, he tries to help keep me off it but to no avail. Ultimately I believe i'm the only one who can make myself change, i'm really grateful for any support but the want needs to be there within oneself to be successful.

Is it just the fear of you losing your job that keeps you from relapsing? and how are you doing with it? I hope you keep it up and hopefully I can take some inspiration from you, and hopefully start resisting temptation myself.

Good luck with your job! :) I look forward to hearing from you again
 
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Oh as well, I think it's quite funny, I also work on contracts for the government, obviously over here though. Our jobs are probably very different, but I did think what a little bit of a strange coincidence though! :)
 
Damn it, I just wrote you a message but it deleted it! Alright, well time to start over....

What's up, littledragon? First off, I think you most definitely have the ability to conquer your demons. At least I hope so, because if not, that means we are probably both screwed. But we can do it. Lots and lots of people have conquered heroin addiction. It seems like you are at least tired of the lifestyle of being physically hooked or else you wouldn't be posting in the Dark Side.

That's cool you have a govt. contracting job too. This is my first "real job" post-graduation (I graduated in May). I haven't been here too long, since the beginning of January. It's all very new to me, but I like it a lot more than my old job at Borders bookstore, which was cool in theory, but in reality retail is very annoying. I'm kinda envious you live in the UK. I don't know why, it has always seemed cool ot me and I wanted to move to London but from what I hear it's incredibly expensive. I don't know, I really liked it there when I went on vacation when I was a lot younger. It just seems like an exotic place without me having to learn a new language I guess. ;)

Going to the gym is a good idea! I have a gym membership too, and whenever I go there after having a crappy day craving or generally feeling irritable, I always come out feeling much better and refreshed. For a long time I had a gym membership too but didn't go, because I was lazy or on a drug binge, but I'm trying to go more consistently now. Also will start running again when it's nicer out. I was a long distance runner in HS.

So I assume the job thing is what is making you want to quit finally? Yeah, I've been doing alright lately, although this past week I got somewhat close to relapsing. Luckily drugs are kind of outside of my way, so it would take time and effort for me to go get them. Most of my friends are not part of the drug scene, although I do have one close friend who is really trying to be more of a part of it. He is always trying to get heroin or other opiates, and sent me text asking if I wanted any H, but I was able to say no luckily. Probably mostly becuase I figured he couldn't get it. But yes, job keeps me from relapsing. Mostly just a general fear of withdrawals is the biggest thing. I never wanted to be on methadone or suboxone long-term--I didn't like the idea of just moving my physical addiction to something else. But that also makes it very easy to relapse back onto heroin when I get off it. Also it was just costly for me to afford a drug habit. I really couldn't afford it. Also, I really wanted to pursue other things in my life that drugs was holding me back from. I wanted to learn guitar, to watch a lot of film and read a lot. I'm kinda OCD or something in that I view doing these things while high as "cheating" in a sense, because well, I dont' really know why. So I used that as motivation to get off the heroin as well. One thing I found is that it's really easy to have motivation to do a lot of stuff while high on heroin, but once you get off of it, it's a lot harder to keep up that same motivation.

I would say yeah you should change your group of friends and your environment, but I understand it's a lot harder than that if your boyfriend is involved in the scene. I used to use my ex girlfriend as motivation to quit, but I think finally she had had too many trust issues with me becuase of my lying about drug use and I also cheated on her, so we broke up. That made quitting so much harder for me. We had been dating for 5 years or so, so she was as big of a security blanket for me as the drugs were. It's tough, but I think we can get through this. PM me sometime if you ever want to talk. Good luck!
 
I'm sure I do have the ability to conquer my demons, I just need the strength and will power to keep at it. Some days I'm stronger than others. So far it's been pretty much just thinking about it and also thinking about which treatment method would work best for me. Since joining BL and reading everyones stories it's made me come to a decision... I do most definitely want to get clean. I was kind of in two minds about it, but now i'm going to give it my best shot. I feel like i'm wasting my life, and if I made it to be old i'm sure i'd look back and think I wish I had lived. I've always thought getting high is fun and it may be at the time but I reckon it's all just false memories, there's so much more to life. I want to to discover just what life has to offer and I most certainly don't/shouldn't be high in order to do that.

My job is one reason but my daughter is the biggest reason! I have a beautiful little girl, she's almost 4 now and has lived with my mother for the last few months. My relationship with my mum broke down and she kicked me out, due to legal reasons my daughter had to continue living with my mother. My Mum being as evil as she is has stopped me having any contact with my daughter and I haven't seen her for months, this broke my heart and was the point that my drug use really started. It was the only thing that would numb the pain. I've been trying so hard to try and get contact with my family again and as one door would open it would close just as fast hitting me in the ass on the way. It all just became too much for me to handle. Now I realise I have to stop the drugs because despite numbing the pain they're not helping. I need to fight and I can't do that doped up.

I see my doctor next week so I guess i'll start from there. Small steps. Most importantly motivation is the key, if I can motivate myself to make the first steps i'm sure I can do it. It's just making that all important first step. I'm going to find other things to occupy my mind. You said you want to learn to play the guitar, that's cool man! I play guitar, but haven't played in a long time, now you've reminded me I think I might take that up again. That's a cool way to help occupy my time.

I used to work in retail too, that was my first job. Retail is one of the worst jobs ever. I just hate standing up all day! It's given me a pretty good knowledge of herbs and natural remedies though as I used to work in a health food shop. Hpoefully i'll be able to use that knowledge to my advantage and put it to good use with coming off the drugs.

It's funny hearing you talk of Britain as exotic!! ;) living here I think you see it as anything but!! ha ha. I do like it though. It's a bit grim up north but i'm from the south which in my opinion is much more beautiful. London's cool, my boyfriend is from London. He wants to move back there but I couldn't, life is way too fast paced up there for me! It's quite stressful there, everyone you meet is stressed! Especially the bus drivers!

Anyway, my boyfriend is itching to get on the computer so i'm off for now. I'll keep you updated on how things are going. Take care :)
 
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:D Hi it's nice to hear back from you Vladimir, I did type this as a private message but I couldn't send it as i'm not a bluelighter yet! :(

I see my doctor every week because of my depression, I tried to kill myself in December so they like to keep an eye on me. I'm still undecided as to whether or not I should tell my doc about the drugs, part of me says do it, as I don't think i'm strong enough to do it alone. Another part of me says don't, due to the stigma attached and the fact it could come out to my family and ruin my attempts at getting contact with them and my daughter again. I wouldn't really like them to find out about it, they're not very supportive to me and tend to judge me alot ignoring the fact they've all had pretty dark pasts too. As for the treatment options, i've been thinking about them alot, i'm still undecided but I guess if i'm serious about giving up I should go for Subutex. I think if I had Methadone i'd be more likely to use on top.

Being a Mum is great although I don't feel like much of one at the moment. I was only 20 when I gave birth so I was pretty young, if i'm honest I think I was a little too young, my naivety and immaturity is what's caused me to majorly screw things up. I'm ready to put all that behind me now, i'm 24 and I think i've grown up alot in the last few months. All I want now is a simple life with my daughter and boyfriend. I just want to dedicate all my time to nurturing her and loving her and helping her to grow into the best young lady she could possibly be. I've realised and taken responsibility for my shortcomings and mistakes, I just need to be given the chance to rectify things, but it appears to be the case that my family won't allow me the chance to do that. They won't even talk to me. I'm getting the help I need now so hopefully in time and with the help of my doctor and CPN I can put things right. I just need the chance to be able to do that. At 22 I think you're right not to be thinking about children yet, there's plenty of time for you to do that. It is very rewarding being a parent though. You feel a kind of love that one's never felt before, it's extremely powerful, such a wonderful thing.

Well done for staying strong this week, if you're feeling better now and have resisted relapsing you should be very proud of yourself. You obviously have a lot of courage. That must give you so much motivation to carry on as you are. I don't think you're stupid not taking any long term treatment option, I think that's a great way to do it. Relapsing 6-7 times in over a year is pretty good going too, you can just look at that as tiny little glitches, being clean since December is great, that's a good few months.

It's good that you have great friends that are a good influence on you. That must help a lot. I have a few good friends who don't do any drugs and one of them is an ex addict who's been clean for 10 years now. I should get in touch with them really as I know they'll be a good influence on me, but because of my depression I kind of withdraw from society and hide myslef away. I suppose because i'm scared to tell them what's going on in my life really. I don't want to be a burden to them and I don't think I could face all their questions. Also I don't really want them knowing about the drugs, I've disappointed enough people. I'd rather get clean and sort things out and see them when i've done so and am happy again.

Thanks for wishing me luck, i'll be sure to keep you updated. Good luck to you as well, well done. Keep it up, you're doing so well and I know you can continue doing great. =D
 
[Hi little dragon, it's not a good idea to post your contact details in the public forum, you can make your email address viewable in your profile if you want people to get in contact with you :) - n3o]
 
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My job is one reason but my daughter is the biggest reason! I have a beautiful little girl, she's almost 4 now and has lived with my mother for the last few months. My relationship with my mum broke down and she kicked me out, due to legal reasons my daughter had to continue living with my mother. My Mum being as evil as she is has stopped me having any contact with my daughter and I haven't seen her for months, this broke my heart and was the point that my drug use really started. It was the only thing that would numb the pain. I've been trying so hard to try and get contact with my family again and as one door would open it would close just as fast hitting me in the ass on the way. It all just became too much for me to handle. Now I realise I have to stop the drugs because despite numbing the pain they're not helping. I need to fight and I can't do that doped up.

Firstly, little dragon, welcome to Bluelight and to The Dark Side. I'm glad you found us :)

I think having a child(ren) is single-handedly the biggest and best reason for someone to get clean. Your daughter needs you to do this, for her. You have to do it for yourself as well, for your pride and self-worth, to know what you are truly capable of. But your daughter needs you to be clean so you can take care of her and raise her to the best of your ability.

It sounds like you need professional help with this though hun, as most people do when getting off drugs. Is there an option to get in to a rehab program of some description?? Also, living with a house full of heroin users is just making it way too hard for you to resist. I know that most people couldn't resist the temptation to use if the drug is surrounding you! Is there any chance you and your boyfriend can move out somewhere on your own?
 
hello world,

My names doc, I'm originally from the east coast but moved out west because of..lets say youthful indiscretion. Started experimenting with drugs years ago, went through the pretty common phases.. weed, psychadellics, on to the hard stuff and it turns out getting spun was what has caught up with me. Going through a pretty rough spot right now for sure, lots of doubts about myself, I guess being damaged goods isnt all its cracked up to be. Anyways you guys here seem to be good people, and im hoping to contribute and help others out and just maybe help someone from making the same mistakes I did, but thats always easier said than done.
 
Hi doc, welcome to Bluelight, and to The Dark Side. We've had a brief intro already in another thread but it's good to have you here. I hope you enjoy your time here :) <3
 
Firstly, little dragon, welcome to Bluelight and to The Dark Side. I'm glad you found us :)

I think having a child(ren) is single-handedly the biggest and best reason for someone to get clean. Your daughter needs you to do this, for her. You have to do it for yourself as well, for your pride and self-worth, to know what you are truly capable of. But your daughter needs you to be clean so you can take care of her and raise her to the best of your ability.

It sounds like you need professional help with this though hun, as most people do when getting off drugs. Is there an option to get in to a rehab program of some description?? Also, living with a house full of heroin users is just making it way too hard for you to resist. I know that most people couldn't resist the temptation to use if the drug is surrounding you! Is there any chance you and your boyfriend can move out somewhere on your own?

Hi n3o, thank you, i'm glad I found TDS as well. Already it's been a lot of help to me.

You're so right about my daughter, but the sad thing is my drug use has only become so regular since my Mum stopped me from seeing her. Previous to that i'd pretty much stopped using any drugs as it wasn't what I was interested in anymore. The heroin was here so I started to really use it, to block the pain I feel from not being able to see her. I do realise it has to stop though, if I don't stop I don't stand a chance of getting my life with her back together how it should be.

As far as I know we don't really have clinics over here where you can go into rehab (unless you're really rich) but we do have a centre that provides counselling and support and approves a script to help you come off of drugs. I have an appointment with my Doc in 2 days so i'm going to come clean with him and start from there. As for moving out, we've been trying but there just seem to be so many obstacles in our way. Nothing's ever easy! :X Hopefully something will change soon :)

Hello to Doc! i'm new to blue light too. You're right everyone at TDS does seem very lovely. :)
 
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Greetings all!


Long time reader, first time poster (<--- I think).

It is so nice to have a community of like-minded people contributing their experiences and knowledge to better the populous as a whole. Thank you ALL for your contributions and thoughts.

About me:

I am relatively new to BL. I have mostly been doing some research and learning. Some of it I just enjoy reading.

I have had a lifelong love of opiates. 8 years ago I threw my back out and it hasn't been the same. Coupled with moderate scoliosis, I am in constant pain in my lower back. Sometimes I can feel it in my legs (nerves). The doctors in this town (a small, mostly senior citizen town) believe I am faking the pain to feed an addiction.

I have never purposefully done that. So it's been hard. I should just move. :p


Prescription history:

Hydrocodone
Tramadol
Amrix
Celebrex
Soma
Skelaxin
Cyclobenzaprine


Have taken otherwise:

Oxycodone
Alprazolam
Marijuana
LSA
and most other pain-killer out there.


Current pain-management treatment:

Kratom leaf
Kratom extracts
Kratom isols
7HOMIT


These seem to work well enough to get buy, but as a lot of you know, there is no substitution for a good old pharm.

I am glad to be a part of this community now and look forward to helping those that need it and learning from others when I need it.

Peace,
analog.
 
Hi analog, welcome to The Dark Side. It's good to see you've started posting in here :)
Sorry to hear of your battle with the doctors in your town, that must be so frustrating. No wonder so many people self-medicate!!
 
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Hello, long time reader, first time poster. Beginning my life w/out smokin' & tweekin'(Day/night4). have read TDS & cannot begin to tell you how it has helped in getting me to this point. Looking forward to thanking many of you personally!
 
Hi toxdoc, good to have you in TDS. I'm interested to know what brought you here.
 
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HEllo I'm here because my boyfreind of 4 months is very suicidal and I need soem people to talk to he says he will go get help and then doesnt . he uses methanphetamine and says he was on anti depressants long before he ever started using . Im lost I hurt daily because of it .


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