Entheogenic & Psychoactive Plants by Genera

[swilow]

I'm not sure I see any dust...

This is a good starting point for those just learning about psychoactive plants.

I'll try and add some descriptions sometime.

If y'all are interested... ask about a specific plant.

I'd like to know more about a plant that ends the posting existence of trolls. Idea's??

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

I'd rather ingest pure mescaline than a foot of dirty cactus. I'd rather offer someone pure mescaline than tell them they have to eat a foot of dirty cactus.

haha you have no idea how to prepare cactus do you?

what about the other compounds peyote hold besides mescaline?

 

[solistus]

No, the Big and Dandy threads are good starting points. This is spam. If I want to see a list of plant names that may be entheogens, I can look at the Erowid directory. Forums are for discussions, not just lists. At least your animals post had some unsourced but interesting quotes about giraffe ceremonies. This is literally just a list of plant names.

edit: Teo: those "other compounds" are exactly why most of us prefer pure mescaline. I don't want the other compounds. They're not 5HT2a agonists, and they are some of the most nauseating, physically unpleasant drugs I've ever ingested. I'll take a measured dose of pure mescaline over an unknown dose of mescaline mixed with unknown doses of a bunch of random alkaloids any day. Besides, if you're so big on safety and empirical evidence of human use, there have been virtually no studies on the other specific compounds in peyote or other mescaline containing plants. Sure, they've been used traditionally for hundreds if not thousands of years - just like khat, opium, tobacco and a host of other unhealthy things. Unless you ascribe some nonsensical intelligence to the plant's evolutionary path to assume that each and every alkaloid was hand selected for your benefit, it's stupid, IMO, the claim that the 'real' experience is necessarily better. The other alkaloids add things, but most users don't like any of the things that they add.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

ill add more just give me some time

 

[Eldaren]

haha you have no idea how to prepare cactus do you?

what about the other compounds peyote hold besides mescaline?

This is why I say you're a "plant spirit" person, not a science person.

If you wanted the science, you would extract each element of the cactus separately, and test each different chemical separately. Mixing shit together and seeing what the subjective results are IS NOT FUCKING SCIENCE. It's just stupid bullshit that you're doing.

Science requires a commonality, a start point, a control factor. If you're eating stuff that's full of completely unidentifiable shit you cant say it's science. Even if you really wanted to, you can't put your finger on what ANY OF THE EFFECTS YOU FEEL ARE BEING GENUINELY CAUSED BY. (not scientifically anyway, you can always convince yourself that you're right and being sciencey by eating plant material though)

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

why do we need science to prove peyote is psychoactive? it's been noted by many people that use peyote and san pedro that the peyote experience is different

you dont have to be a chemist to do science

 

[Eldaren]

no, but you need to be scientific to do science.

if you ignore all the REQUIREMENTS of science, and just decide you're doing science, it doesnt make it science.

eating plants and guessing what it does is not science.

dosing 1 chemical at a time, slowly moving up the dose and testing its effects is scienctific.

note: shulgin vs what youre doing

who do you think is more scientific?

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

well... im no scientist... so

did i claim to be?

 

[Eldaren]

no, but you claim to be scientific, just because you use the scientific names of plants and animals probably. that does not make what youre doing scientific. im not saying youre a scientist. im saying your method is NOT science, or scientific, in any way shape or form.

 

[Teotzlcoatl]

which is fine with me... what is your point?

 

[Eldaren]

I left that up a long time... it seems fairly obvious to me people here aren't interested in the scientific side of things.

I bet some of you don't even know who Wade Davis is!



I'd be glad to follow this advice as long as the others do as well.

donk

 

[solistus]

why do we need science to prove peyote is psychoactive? it's been noted by many people that use peyote and san pedro that the peyote experience is different

you dont have to be a chemist to do science

1. You're the one who accused *us* of not being interested in the science which is why you claim to have posted this crap instead. We start discussing the science, and the next thing out of your mouth (metaphorically speaking of course) is "Who needs science? I didn't say anything about science. Science is irrelevant." Arguing with you is like arguing with a drunken toddler. You can't even follow your own argument well enough to keep up.

2. Nothing in that post was in any way responsive to any objections any of us have made. Not even a little.

 

[Compounds]

echinopsis pachanoi

 

[Solipsis]

Hi, welcome to Bluelight & PD

Have you read the thread and what would you like to use it for?

 

[Magickduck]

Oh lord... here we go...

What you think is "pachanoi" is really the predominant cultivar pachanoi also known as the "P.C." clone.

REAL pachanoi from Ecuador and Peru is much, much more potent.

Also the Trichocereus "peruvianus" which is common on the market is actually T. cuzcoensis and is very weak.

Again REAL T. peruvianus is much more potent.

So what your saying is semi-incorrect, unless your referring to the commonly found clones on the market.

Each clone has it's own unique profile, keep that in mind.

I could have added T. bridgesii to the list, but as I said I tried to pin-point the major species... perhaps I'll add it tho.

See this nexus thread for more info-

https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6935&p=1
https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2430


Ask Mr.Smith or Mr.Trout if you don't believe me (you do know who that is right?)

Here is a link from Trout's page-
http://www.largelyaccurateinformationmedia.com/pedro/pedro_012.html

If you have the book "Trout's Notes on San Pedro" then check it out, if you don't, buy it.



I know my shit when it comes to cacti. I'd wager I know a hell of alot more than you.

If you want to know more read all the cacti posts on the Corroboree.

there is most certainly true t. peruvianus that is on the market that is actual peruvian torch and fairly potent, roughly 10mg in every 1g..