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[Book] DMT the Spirit Molecule

Some of the speculation in "The Spirit Molecule" seems logically sound: DMT being formed in the pineal seems like a no-brainier.

The similar nature of DMT trips occurs not only in medical experimental settings but traditional settings (ie. Amazonian shamans, etc) as well. I think DMT and other psychedelics to a lesser extent do hold the key to unlocking a hidden part of human consciousness that is within us all.

The problem lies in the ridiculous ways Strassman hypothesizes this comes about--DMT molding the brain into perceiving hidden dimensions? What? DMT selectively agonizes 5-HT2a brain receptors, by no means is it plausible that DMT somehow single-handedly physically transforms the circuitry of human perception into perceiving "hidden dimensions."
The thought of the universe having more than three dimensions is controversial enough within itself! Let alone it being perceivable, complete with living sentient entities.
 
swilow said:
I still don't see how thats worthy of respect and praise. Strassman wanted to do this research; he didn't matyr himself for the cause, this was his passion....


Foundation for what? All over the internet, we have people who "KNOW" that dreaming is caused by DMT, DMT is releleased at birth and death and at 49 days past conception; its also "known" that the pineal gland releases it, and that DMT probably accounts for most NDE or alien-abduction experiences. Now- none of these things are claimed empyrically by Strassman, but he suggests it and it gets amplified into truths, which actually make it more difficult for the layperson to understand what DMT is. In my opinon, his conclusions were wrong and unfortuntely reach an audience who is easily fooled by the word "Doctor".
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Just like how you "Know" he wanted to do this research. Have you even read the book? I said this before and it states in the book, His initial intent was not to study DMT.

Again, I agree with you there is a lot of speculative information being presented as fact by hopeful trippers that he presented in the book but still I think he is at least correctly making some noteworthy assumptions... He was perceptive enough to realize that something beyond just people's subconscious being projected is happening with DMT. He was seeing similarities and themes in the experiences and at least attempting to make some assemblance of it in a scientific manner. A lot of the participants ignored his suggestions of to what they were seeing and he took that into account, you have to swallow your pride a little bit to realize that after numerous diagnosis and being told you are wrong the majority of the time, that maybe something else may be
happening.

There is also a lot of speculations presented as fact the otherway with psychedelics too, like your brain bleeding, it will stay in your system forever, Ecstasy will put holes in your brain, etc

Besides Terrence Mckenna, who was intelligent but held some philosophies that i would consider way to far 'out there' to be held as credible by any scientists, who has even done any work on DMT in your lifetime?

But now another "truth" regarding DMT. HAHAHA my friend said that in her humanities class or something, the topic of drugs came up and some girl in the class asked the teacher if he heard of DMT, he said no. she went on to say it's a drug that people are extracting from their own brains and smoking. ahahahah.
 
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swilow said:
The only reason I am skeptikal, is because the trips were obviously coloured by his and his helpers prescence. He never mentioned that though.

Why would God use an archetype? An archetype is a "condensing" of certain ideas inherent in all conciousness....if God is God (you refer to it as he) then surely, He would override archetypal thought and simply lay the smack-down.

I'm not sceptikal at all about what DMT does; just VERY scetpical about Strassman's book...
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I suppose I did not phrase that very well. What I mean is, DMT seems to allow us to make contact with SOMETHING outside ourselves and that SOMETHING seems to present itself in the form most appropriate/fathomable to it's audience.

What I'm asking is: How does anyone explain the recurring incidences of clowns/elves/aliens? Isn't it statistically improbable? And IF it turns out to be extremely improbable, what is the mechanism at work here?


So, if God is using these characters to "get through to us", what about the majority of the rest of the people in the world that don't use DMT? Are they just left out, and don't see what God's trying to get through to us?
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Having read and "been fooled" by Strassman's book, I believe that DMT is available to all of us conscious beings, since it is endogenous. And BTW, in my own cosmology (drawing heavily on Hinduism), nobody is "left out". Everyone experiences the "heaven" or "hell" they expect to, before their souls get some rest and are reincarnated into a new body.
 
Teotzlcoatl said:
You don't see how his work is worthy of praise and respect?

WTF have you done for the entheogenic community?!

At least he's a serious scientist doing SOMETHING relating to entheogens!
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Yeah, wow!! Personally, I haven't done much for the "entheogenic community", but I am not into ego games where someone tries to garner respect and praise (which I don't actually believe Strassman was doing).

Teo, you, once again, prove your low intelligence. By questioning what I've done for the psychedelic community doesn't mean that what Rick Strassman did has any merit. You marry two concepts that have no relation. Just because I have not conducted fruitless research into a psychedelic certainly does not mean I should praise and respect someone who has. Why would it mean that?

For wwhat its worrth, I modded this forum forr about 3 years, sampled many psychedelics and combo's and repoted the effects. It was fun. What have you done? Besides selling?


BTW you can call him if you'd like
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Stop trying to imply that you know him. In your multiple accounts on the internet, its pretty obvious your a troll seeking attention. I'm fucken sck of your shit man- you are really bringing down the vibe here. Please fuck off :)
 
i think in may, hters gonna be a preview of the documentary based on this book in austin. alex grey and his wife are gonna be there too doing some painting demonstrations, and a shpongle dj is gonna be playing a set.

ill be looking out for goodies there hehe
 
What have you done?
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Participated in botanical collection expeditions. Had my name published in books for plant collections and I'm getting a degree in ethnobotany from the uni of HW.

I'm going to Peru in April with the botanical preservation corps.

etc.

I'm trying to do more...

Also I've donated fair amounts of money to Erowid, MAPS and to the Peyote Way Church of God (instead of spending them on drugs like you told me you have done swilliow).

I've been a mod at Salvia Source for over a year and I'm admin of my own ethnobotanical site

i have over 30,000 online posts relating to plants

What? Did you make this up or are you serious?
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I'm totally serious man. No joke.

You can call him.

http://www.rickstrassman.com/?q=node/17

Stop trying to imply that you know him. In your multiple accounts on the internet, its pretty obvious your a troll seeking attention. I'm fucken sck of your shit man- you are really bringing down the vibe here. Please fuck off
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you, me and anybody else can phone Rick if you willing to pay

Phone Consultations

Phone consultations can be purchased for $100.00 per hour. Use the PayPal link below to submit payment and Dr. Strassman will contact you to arrange a time.
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swilow seems like a nice guy
 
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I didn't notice it until now.

PM me if you need to know something and I forget to answer.

Geeze.
 
lol it's not that important and even when you saw it you didn't do it (just now). You just kept repeating it but didn't give any specifics beyond "It costs a $100". I don't really care to ask again.
 
I have begun reading the book, and retaining my everlasting agsnosticism and skepticism, I still find the study very interesting and of great value.

I believe that the TRUTH is too strange to be believed or even considered by our highly-developped but highly-flawed primate brain. I think we simply cannot process such data.

So any "fact" is likely to be disproven. Tempora Mutantur "Time is Changed"
We are pretty much all swimming in theories. However, some theories are more likely to contain truth than others, one way to reinforce a theory is to test it and experiment and record all the data. This is en everlasting process.

I think there is a definite link between DMT space and what esoterics would call the Astral Planes or Cosmic Consciousness. I think this might be the "Infinite within us" which allows us such powers as imagination, inspiration and complex ideas. These beings (some call them entities, others gods, goddesses, demons, angels, aliens, monsters and/or visual hallucinations) might speak to us and inspire us in our dreams and our subconscious.

Are we constantly in relation with DMT space subconsciously through endogenous low-dose DMT (undetectable consciously)?
Could this be how creative thought emerges?

Does it really matter if these entities are REAL, or TRUE?
Even if they are imaginary, they inspire and teach.
 
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what i was trying to establish earlier in the post, however it didn't come out very clearly because i was tripping, is that the pineal gland, the supposed source for creating dmt, and producing our dreams is referred to as the third eye, i believe that scientists have found rods and cones within it that are similar to our eyeballs. This is why we see pictures in our minds when we are dreaming. When the pineal gland is activated, and we are in the deep trance of sleep, this might just be the closest connection we have to the all encompassing higher intelligence that "created" us and the world we inhabit. When i mentioned that the Vatican seems to be putting some hidden importance in the pineal gland, when they devote a court, and statue to a pine cone (pineal=pine cone, the gland looks just like a little pine cone). The point i am trying to establish is that the pineal gland may very well be the most important organ in our bodies, the true secret to becoming a spiritual being. Shamans, psychics, clairvoyants, and even simple intuition that most of us operate in our daily lives to some degree, can possibly be explained by how activated ones pineal gland is; shamans obviously operating at a greater level. An intellectual really should look at all possibilities no matter how unconventional because dismissing an option right away isn't a sign of greater thinking. Is it that far out there to say we have not truly defined our FULL potential as humans clearly. Are we so certain that we already know everything we need to about our bodies, and even our purpose for life. Shamans consider the activation of the pineal gland as the second birth we go through as beings, like in avatar, how the characters are born again, and find their place in the universe. All these ideas surrounding the pineal gland aren't new either, this is just the first time most of us are hearing about this stuff because some guy wrote a book about it. Science is just now conducting research towards the pineal, and dmt for the first time, but these ideas have been apart of ancient religions and shamanistic cultures for a loooong time.
 
'Modern medical dissection has already discovered that the front section of the pineal gland is equipped with the complete structure of a human eye. Because it grows inside one's skull, it is thus said to be a vestigial eye. Whether it is a vestigial eye or not, our community of cultivators has reservations. Yet modern medicine has, after all, already recognized that there is an eye in the middle of the human brain. The passageway that we open targets exactly that location, and this happens to agree completely with the understanding of modern medicine

In recent years, scientists gradually discovered that the mammalian pineal gland is photo sensitive. However, the mammalian pineal, unlike that of other vertebrates, is not thought to be directly light sensitive. Melatonin, the principal product of the mammalian pineal gland, acts as an internal representative of nighttime. The secretion of melatonin is increased under light-dark cycles, with an increase in the dark period and a decrease in the light period (1).

Photic information reaches it via a multi synaptic pathway originating in retina and passing through suprachiasmatic regions of the hypothalamus (1). In the conventional theory, it is considered that the rod and cone photoreceptors in the retina account for all photoreceptive input (2). In the past, it is considered that photic suppression of pineal melatonin is also carried out through this conventional routine (3,4). Since the pineal gland is concealed in the skull, it is hard to imagine that it is able to respond to light directly. Even if the pineal gland is photo sensitive, it is very hard to test this hypothesis in vivo because of the existence of photoreceptors in the retina.
n the contrary, much evidence suggests that the pineal gland may be able to directly sense the light. Immunocytochemically, it is reasonable to believe that the pineal gland can be photo-receptive. Scientists have already realized the structural similarity between the pineal and the retina. The pineal was simply called 'folded retina', a variety of genes that are only expressed in eyes are expressed in the pineal gland as well (9,10). The pineal gland not only has photoreceptors, but also has a complete system for optical signal transduction (11,13). That is to say, if there is a light-transducing passageway, a pineal gland is capable of detecting light. This can explain why photic suppression of pineal melatonin remained unaffected in mice genetically lacking retinal photoreceptors. There may exist a secret unknown light transducing passageway that allows the mammalian pineal gland to detect light directly.
 
i took it from a professors article containing multiple sources i can give you the link,
http://pureinsight.org/node/164
but as it states this has been known by modern medical dissection. Information is out there, you just have to look. It's a proffesor from a school of thought called Falun Gong, it is being studied in China prominently at the moment, that's why it may seem so foreign.
Furthermore,uh dude, the fact that you replied without doing any sort of formal research shows that you dismissed an idea before intelectually discovering it, this is not practicing advanced thinking, no offense.
 
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