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The MDPV discussion thread comes to Australia !

In regards to the statement made by wikipedia (and other people in various MDPV threads)

"It has also been observed to rapidly degrade and lose potency when in solution."

Could anyone with some chemistry knowledge shed some light on this?

I personally have not witnessed this, but so far, any solution has been finished in a few days, and has not had a chance to degrade.

One theory that has been floated around the house, is the chlorine in tap water, attacking the carbonyl group. This was floated because of the lack of carbonyl groups in most phenethylamines. But its all guess work really. I'm only 2nd year organic, so my knowledge isn't doctorate level. :p

p_d? Anyone?
 
Yeah, I've trawled through there, but nothing has popped out at me. I'll keep looking over the weekend, and see where I find myself.

Cheers dude.
 
SWIM procured a gram of what is supposed to be MDPV and had read on most reports that it is active at very low doses. SWIM started with approx 20mg IV, and felt only a slight lift. not wanting to overdo it, SWIM gradually upped the dosage until he reached 80mg. he found 80mg IV to be similar in strength to 150-170mg of pure methylamphetamine. SWIM has been a frequent and semi heavy IV user of methylamphetamines for several years, and i wondered whether this could mean he has a much higher tolerance to dopaminergic stimulants than others, or whether the stuff he got was just low purity, or even something else altogether. it was a fine white powder, bitter, but not as bitter as speed, and he thinks it kinda smelt a bit like heroin (but definitely wasnt). any thoughts?
 
^^ You got ripped dude

10mg IV is said to be a massive dose

Friends of mine only shoot 4-6mg at a time

There is no way you could IV 20mg of MDPV and then go on to IV a further 80mg. Even if it were 50% pure you would be an overstimulated, paranoid, train wreck

I suggest you find a new source

Anyone IV'ing this drug should start well below 10mg
 
Hmmm...either this stuff isnt all it cracked up to be, or there are some dodgy RC suppliers passing god knows what off as MDPV.

Obtained a g of what was supposed to be MDPV recently. Started off very cautiously, used a mg scale to measure out 5mg for 1st dose insufflated..nothing..felt absolutely doughnuts from this.

Redosed at 10mg...felt nothing again..hmmmm...getting suspicious.

Leave it for a few days then dose at 20mgs..slight stimulation, but not much else..no clear headed high at all...still a slave to the fog that shrouds my brain when not on stims.

What ever i was sold doesnt even make me take a dump...my mark of a quality stim...hehehe.

From all previous reports on here im fairly certain that what ever i have it is not MDPV. Does anyone know how MDPV will react under Mandelin reagent?? then i can test it.

Also..I have one hell of a stim tolerance, but even 10mgs of dex will make me take a shit. Maybe its just that without daily amps, i have no natural dopamine floating round my synapes'...thus rendering reuptake inhibitors useless...will have to obtain some coke to test this theory. hehe.
 
I tried some new pv today, after a few months off the stims and G. Its brilliant white, without that earthy smell. An educated guess makes me think it is sans impurities because of this.

It also seems to come with less paranoia, jitteriness and 'demonic possessions' for me...


but this may be because I took a break; gained 10kg, removed all the things that were stressing me and eat properly now.

Once I see the results of a thorough field study, I will provide more data.




Suffice to say: Anyone trying this for the first time. Stop and think:

"Do I *really* want to become a crackhead?"

Because it may only be a temporary journey into the life; its not pleasant when you realise you are sucking the glass cock, and not pleasant for people to watch.

Originally Posted by PsiloSubNaut
This shit makes meth look like a teddy bear's picnic!

Agreed. This is how I explain it to my tweaker friends, and noone believes me until they try it.

Originally Posted by phase_dancer
the devil

Agreed. Draws you in. Fucks you in the back of a Volkswagen.
 
To Aestasis and Ignatius J.

Its possible that what you got was a "Bath Salts" variety, one of which is rumoured to contain PV.

I know a few people who got them and said they needed ~100mg to get moving.


Or its possible you got jacked and it was cut methamp or methylphenidate.

Maybe its just that without daily amps, i have no natural dopamine floating round my synapes'...thus rendering reuptake inhibitors useless...will have to obtain some coke to test this theory. hehe.

Though dopamine is the big hitter with PV, norepinephrine takes a big hit too, and that in itself should get you moving (and shitting for that matter).
 
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News 5/2/10 Aussies snort super addictive "Ivory Wave"

Aussies snort super-addictive 'Ivory Wave'11:30 AEST Fri Feb 5 2010 By Henri Paget, ninemsn
Ivory Wave is sold as a 'novelty product'. (ninemsn)

Australians are experimenting with a powerful new mind-altering drug that is so addictive users say it provokes an almost uncontrollable urge for another hit.
Australian drug users are ordering Ivory Wave through research chemical websites based in Europe, which disguise the drug's true identity by selling it as a "soothing bath salt".
Tests at the University of Sydney revealed the drug, called Ivory Wave, contained a potent psychoactive chemical similar to ecstasy.
Australian Federal Police told ninemsn the drug was believed to be illegal under Australia's analogue drug laws and its importation was currently being investigated.
Ivory Wave is sold in 500mg packets labelled "for novelty use only" with no dosage instructions.
An anonymous Ivory Wave user from Newcastle told ninemsn the powder was several times stronger than cocaine when snorted.
"[It] provides profound stimulation and empathy, as well as mild, yet blissful, euphoria," he said.
However, he said the initial "magic" diminished rapidly, leaving the user strongly compelled to snort again.
"I've never seen an opened packet last more than a night, and have seen the 'but your line is bigger' arguments start," he said.
The user said the intense high left a painful hangover.
"[Users experience] emotional fragility, diminished cognitive ability, muscular pain and a sore jaw and loss of appetite," he said.
The user interviewed by ninemsn said he and his friends had ordered the drug several times through post from overseas and had not encountered any problems with customs.
A small sample of the drug obtained by ninemsn and analysed by researchers at the University of Sydney was found to contain a mix of several substances, including the chemical methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV).
The legal status of MDPV is unclear but it is most likely banned under Australia's analogous drug laws due to its structural similarities to pyrovalerone and MDMA — the key ingredient of ecstasy.
The companies that market Ivory Wave also sell other "bath salt" products, which are believed to contain similar ingredients.
University of Sydney Chemistry Professor Paul Groundwater warned that users of Ivory Wave could be putting their health at serious risk.
"Drugs for approved human use must meet very stringent criteria in terms of their manufacture," he said.
"These designer drugs have not been subjected to such scrutiny and so they may contain many harmful by-products as a result of their production."
Dr Groundwater and University of Sydney Professional Officer Bruce Tattam used forensic data from German police to identify the presence of MDPV in the compound.
The tests showed the drug was a mix that contained at least one other major component, but MDPV was the only identifiable chemical.
 
The exact ingredients of this preparation have been a concern to a few people who've been using it. Thanks to the Bler who submitted this sample for analysis.

Interesting that the professor mentioned byproducts. I'd be interested to know if pyrrolidine was found as an impurity in this preparation.

Wonder what the other major component was. Initially, some thought this product may have contained a phenyltropane.
 
MDPV is listed as a 'border controlled drug', but the AFP are yet to make an official decision as to whether to actively intervene in its importation. They are also yet to officially announce its analogue status.
 
Doesn't sound like something I would like to try. I have difficulty stopping myself from redosing with mephedrone, I would hate to see my will power with MDPV.
 
Honestly, I think there are absolutely no guarantees when it comes to importing into Aus. Afaik the laws are vague enough that they can charge you for almost anything even remotely recreational if they choose to. I wouldn't be caught dead importing any RC's, and I'd suggest nobody does unless they're willing to accept the very real possibility of having it seized, their house searched and charges laid. Just look at the recent incidences with 4mmc.
 
mdpv from UK to OZ

HI there folks, a friend of SWIMs was looking into buying some MDPV from a UK company, and sending it to Australia, where he lives.
What do you think? Is that legal?
SWIM has trawled through sites looking for a few simple words, that swim just can't find:
MDPV IS LEGAL
or
MDPV IS ILLEGAL

I can't find anything substantial anywhere,
anyone know any more than some one who isn't me?

And on the other posts about dirty sticky contaminated batches, SWIM knows somewhere good.
 
I was asked this recently by another Bler. My reply below

I noticed in the The MDPV discussion thread comes to Australia ! that MDPV 'is most likely banned under Australia's analogous drug laws due to its structural similarities to pyrovalerone and MDMA'. I can see how it's structually similar to pyrovalerone but is it really structurally similar to MDMA???

From a chemistry perspective it's a ridiculous claim to make, but from a legal stance, there's 13 atoms in the molecule that are the same as those of MDMA, and there's 5 that are different, making it "substantially similar" to MDMA under section e) of the widely employed analogues thing.
 
haha if peroxide was ever made illegal we would be in trouble, there's only one atom difference between it and water. I know a lot of people wont like to see this, but i honestly can say after a little bit of a dabble in mdpv it should probably be illegal. It can have a lot of negative effects on a lot people especially those with no self control, which in my experience is anyone who regulary user meth. As if that isn't enough of a problem!
 
some words: 'Gay Spy Conspiracy'

remember, if you are somewhere amidst the Conspiracy and cant figure out who the Gay Spy is - its You...

so are you with me?

P.S. one of the more amusing sidenotes was watching Merv 'Eat Static' Peppler play a 'chill' set after insufflating ~500 mg PV in one rail...
 
I think maybe because pv is relatively unknown, that the people giving these reports are people who give in quite easy to compulsions anyway...
You must remember, you have to either be quite deep in the scene or know a fair bit about drugs to even get your hands on pv...(well that is until ivory wave hit the scene....but thats another story)

Or just in the right spot at the right time
Or believing to be purchasing something else and given MDPV instead, or something cut with MDPV

I agree with you, the only thing i see wrong with PV is the inability to sleep even on smaller doses.. but if you don't like that, then don't bother putting in your body haha

Gotta be prepared for the powers of the powder
 
P.S. one of the more amusing sidenotes was watching Merv 'Eat Static' Peppler play a 'chill' set after insufflating ~500 mg PV in one rail...

I hope you are joking.

How the fuck does one play a chillset on MDPV? On a reported 500mg.

Boggles the mind this one.

He would have been more wired than an electrical sub-station.

8o
 
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