Supplement Advice for first fry.

[Vinsion]

Hi,

I finally got a hold of some nice blotters and I'm curious about what supplements I should/shouldn't preload with.

A little background info first. I have pretty sensitive receptors, and in the past, for the first and second time I tried to roll I wasn't able to because of receptor down regulation. I'd been preloading with 5-HTP as well as L-Dopa, but even after taking two pills (spaced by an hour) I didn't roll. I'm pretty sure they weren't bunk pills because I still had many of the other effects going on (huge pupils, jaw clenching, and a mild increase in the feeling of closeness to others). IMO I rolled but very very mildly. Since then I've been able to roll no problem if I stop taking 5-HTP at least 2-3 days before the roll.

Anyways, I bring that up because I'm curious if I should stop taking the supplements I have before hand.

The supplements I have at my disposal are:
5-HTP
Piracetam
Quecertine
Green Tea Extract (EGCG)
Taurine
GABA
Melotonin
Magnesium

I've heard that Piracetam has a pretty substantial effect on frying, so I'm curious if I should take it, or stay away so I don't fry too hard [for my first time]. I'm hoping to have a nice first time experience, hopefully not too intense. I plan on taking 1 hit and waiting for it to kick in plus another hour, and at that point maybe taking the other if I like the direction I'm headed in.

Anyways, thanks in advance,

-V

 

[skuttlebutt]

I've read somethings saying l dopa should be avoided as a post load anyway for neurotoxicity reasons, but I can't at all say that is accurate just look it up yourself.

To your original question, set and setting is so important to me for tripping that I'd take whatever supplements will make you feel safest. If you feel prepared in that way it could make your trip a lot better. Personally I think that if used with proper moderation and if you're eat pretty nutritiously before and after, supplementing isn't mandatory. Also plan to rest most of the next day, if you don't have stressful stuff to do that can help your minds recovery tremendously.

 

[Vinsion]

I've read somethings saying l dopa should be avoided as a post load anyway for neurotoxicity reasons, but I can't at all say that is accurate just look it up yourself.

I think what you're referring to is free radicals getting caught in the serotonin transportation system due to dopamine absorption, which in itself shouldn't be too much of an issue but not something you'd want on a comedown. I do plan to avoid dopamine precursors on my post load.

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[PepperSocks]

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[Solipsis]

Do not take something like piracetam the very first time you take LSD (please don't say fry). Reactions vary much as it is, adding piracetam makes it downright unpredictable. It's something to maybe or maybe not experiment with after you have gotten a good feel with only a psychedelic such as LSD itself.

Was going to disallow this as a 'what should I take' thread but after reading it again it seems like a different question altogether, asking about the influence of supplements on tripping on LSD or MDMA in your situation. But this probably will be merged into the thread peppersocks refers to.

 

[Vinsion]

Do not take something like piracetam the very first time you take LSD (please don't say fry). Reactions vary much as it is, adding piracetam makes it downright unpredictable. It's something to maybe or maybe not experiment with after you have gotten a good feel with only a psychedelic such as LSD itself.

Was going to disallow this as a 'what should I take' thread but after reading it again it seems like a different question altogether, asking about the influence of supplements on tripping on LSD or MDMA in your situation. But this probably will be merged into the thread peppersocks refers to.

Yeah, I'm really just trying to make my first experience with the substance as enjoyable as possible.

Also, why should I not say fry? I will admit that I'm [obviously] not experienced with the drug, and only very mildly aware of the community/culture that goes with it. I've primarily heard the term fry used when talking about an LSD trip thus my choice of words.

 

[TheAzo]

Fry is sort of associated with the "hur hur letz get fucked up" culture, which is not looked upon kindly by most of this forum... Or that's my guess, because nobody around here ever refers to tripping on acid as frying. It's "tripping on acid"

As long as you're in good health, there's no need to pre/post load with anything on acid (certainly not to the same extent as with E). Some people do, but i've had plenty of great exeriences without pre/postloading.

 

[Shambles]

^ Yup. "Frying" = moronic use of acid purely to get fucked up by morons (in my opinion) and is a term that will get most seasoned trippers backs up so best avoided. "Tripping" or even just plain ol' "taking" or "using" or similar is just fine (with the "on acid" addition as required).

I would also say to forget about any pre or post loading as it only muddies what should be a crystal clear experience. I'm guessing you're coming from an "Ecstasy"/MDMA background where this kinda stuff is more popular (for whatever reason) but it's really not necessary with psyches (especially acid) and can even be detrimental (as it can with MDMA). In my opinion and all that.

PS: Yes, I do like parenthesis

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah I was asking politely because the term frying has either 'getting fucked up' or drug demonization propaganda (this is your brain on drugs) connotations that immediately makes it feel like we are talking in a whole different frame of reference.

But of course what really matters is that we are all talking about LSD. And of course it is not strange whatsoever that you want to make your first experience as good as possible but there's a couple reasons why some supplements or (basically all) other drugs to potentiate are not a good initial approach. Piracetam is known to cause unpredictable and strong reactions, I guess supplements that are definitely good are stuff like vitamins and nutrients for your nervous system.

Your first time (or first handful o times) should be special simply because of the LSD itself. If you have no experience with LSD alone then there is nothing to improve on. To say it would objectively potentiate the experience is beside the point IMO and not worth the unpredictability of it. Honestly piracetam in combination with drugs just 'feels' advanced. Like a step up. But I would hardly call it better! Or better than simply taking a bigger dose of LSD.

I urge you to do yourself a favor and not try to reach the highest step on the first go. First of all you would raise the standard so fast that the skipped steps may become less special. A shame considering each step you take is quite amazing enough for some time if you are open to it. Enjoy the ride instead of dreaming about the destination.

If you expect LSD itself not to be good enough it seems to me like you are underestimating it.
Potentiation is something for people who have explored a substance enough times at just about the entire range of doses. Before that just increase the dose!

With the wrong approach you may miss a lot of beauty. There are many people who only view their drug experience in terms of how much better it could be. How many people like the point with GHB where it's almost too much? The 'more is better' mentality...
I explained this to a good friend of mine and ever since he started considering what he had and not what else he could have. His experiences became infinitely better.
That opposed to people who take insane combinations and doses of drugs and come out disappointed because they were expecting nothing less than heaven. This is a set & setting issue, having them mismatch is a terrible shame.