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Mephedrone Addiction

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Evad said:
not really it shows us the dangers of poor drug education and no regulation more IMO
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I don't disagree with that at all, just saying it highlights how far we are from the ideal situation in which people are educated about the effects of drugs and able to rationally weigh the pros and cons against each other. My point point is that mephedrone seems to suggest a lot of people (including myself!) don't have this level of rationality and self-control
 
fastandbulbous said:
The drug has something to do with it. Very few people get addicted to drugs that don't fuck with levels of dopamine in the brain. People are designed to become addicted in a sense to increasing levels of dopamine in the limbic system. Without it there'd be no motivation to do anything. It's the way we are
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I understand what you mean - and I was just being extremely simplistic - but, for psychological addiction at least (ie: non-physical addiction), the drug can't physically make you take it. :) If it were more the drug than the person, then why do some people get addicted more easily than others? Obviously everyone will have the feeling that they need more of whatever addictive stuff they are taking... but then that comes up against that little voice in your head that overrules those bodily demands and stops. I has always intrigued me why some people can control the urges and some can't! :)

I suppose we could go down the 'have we truly got free will or are we just a biological machine responding to stimuli and chemical reactions' road, but that's probably a thread for the Philosophy and Spirituality forum ;)
 
naatural said:
I guess mephedrone serves as a good counterexample for why it might be a dangerous idea to have drug legalisation :(
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On the other hand if people had a large legal selection in the local shop of top quality psychedelics, opiates, benzos, empathogens all at their disposal then perhaps they'd select and use their drugs more sensibly.

If one weekend I had a selection of LSD, E, DMT, Percocet, Mushrooms etc then perhaps I'd use one of them instead of stuffing my face with mephedrone every week until I turn into a smurph.

My point point is that mephedrone seems to suggest a lot of people (including myself!) don't have this level of rationality and self-control

Sure, some people don't have any self-control, that's why you see people laid in the gutter after drinking too much alcohol. But it's a tiny minority who are addictive - the vast bulk of people have a glass of wine with dinner and feel fine. Must I be banned from a glass of wine cos some chucklebrother drinks 20 pints and then shits the bed?
 
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7zark7 said:
It's not the drug, it's the person.
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I think it's a mixture of both. I remember reading before about Salvia and that it has very low addictive qualities because it bind's to beta-receptors in the brain only. Many drugs and I think alkaloids in particular (cocaine, caffine, nicotine) bind to alpha receptors (among others) and this can cause physical dependence.

Then again, I'm a firm believer in mind over matter so I think addiction among many other things can be cured by pure willpower alone.

In saying that: I don't have a bleedin clue about addictive properties of chemical's in the ketone group! Would be very interested if anyone has knowledge in this area
 
Ismene said:
On the other hand if people had a large legal selection in the local shop of top quality psychedelics, opiates, benzos, empathogens all at their disposal then perhaps they'd select and use their drugs more sensibly.

If one weekend I had a selection of LSD, E, DMT, Percocet, Mushrooms etc then perhaps I'd use one of them instead of stuffing my face with mephedrone every week until I turn into a smurph.

My point point is that mephedrone seems to suggest a lot of people (including myself!) don't have this level of rationality and self-control

Sure, some people don't have any self-control, that's why you see people laid in the gutter after drinking too much alcohol. But it's a tiny minority who are addictive - the vast bulk of people have a glass of wine with dinner and feel fine. Must I be banned from a glass of wine cos some chucklebrother drinks 20 pints and then shits the bed?
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I understand your point, but I still reckon meph is more "conducive to stupidity" than, say, a glass or even bottle of wine. I agree that in principle it's not right that you be punished for other people being careless, but I reckon the number of people who actually *are* careless with this drug is shockingly high.
 
Stashes said:
I think it's a mixture of both. I remember reading before about Salvia and that it has very low addictive qualities because it bind's to beta-receptors in the brain only. Many drugs and I think alkaloids in particular (cocaine, caffine, nicotine) bind to alpha receptors (among others) and this can cause physical dependence.
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Physical addiction is a whole different ball game to psychological addiction, in my opinion - with my limited knowledge!

Can cocaine be physically addictive?

Then again, I'm a firm believer in mind over matter so I think addiction among many other things can be cured by pure willpower alone.
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Likewise. :)
 
All addiction is psychological in origin (excepting in the case of long term pain relief) it is reinforced by the action of the drug on neurotransmitters & the inevitable mood swings - physical illness - however to my mind these are side effects ( powerful & real ones) but nonetheless they do not represent the core issue.
wikipedia reckons I'm wrong on this as I recall.
 
naatural said:
I understand your point, but I still reckon meph is more "conducive to stupidity" than, say, a glass or even bottle of wine. I agree that in principle it's not right that you be punished for other people being careless, but I reckon the number of people who actually *are* careless with this drug is shockingly high.
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If all drugs where legal and people had easy access to pure compounds of whatever sort they wanted, then like Ismene suggests mephedrone wouldn't cause much of a problem. Those that specifically liked it would take it, those that wanted to 'get fucked' or whatever could choose something better for that. It is fair to blaim much of the current problems with mephedrone on prohibition and the government.

Unfortunately in the real world i agree with you naatural; at the moment for a variety of reasons Mephedrone is causing serious problems for a lot of people. I know a couple of different individuals working in drug rehabilitation / education and they have been getting some scary stories these last 6 months.

The fact only one chemical of this sort is currently easily available legally on the internet in isolation means that (some) people don't get the choice or access to balanced information to either take mephedrone sensibly or choose something else.
 
Proper legalisation will make the country a better place to live - the corner shop selling gear won't happen - what will do is approved outlets with info taken as to what you take & how often - think of the glories of early intervention from the NHS - it would save a fortune in cash & misery.
 
Salvia is amazing, I've said it before but it's worth noting, because of how amazing it is. It's given me a more fucked up/weird/amazing/epiphany feeling 'hole' than ket ever has...

When you break through, and enter an internal dream world I mean.

I know I'm in the vast minority, but I rate it very highly. Thought I'd finally figured out the meaning of life/spoke to entities/saw myself as the universe, a vibration echoing out into infinity etc. So profound :) Anyway, wrong topic, so I'll hush now!
 
I agree, I'd be much more likely to be heard saying mephedrone was fuckin orrible than salvia... seems a very specific drug receptor-wise, has lovely effects (on me at least!) and doesn't make you feel rough afterwards :)
 
Hey everybody,

This is my first post so please forgive me if it's in the wrong place or hideously off-topic.

I was wondering if you could give me some advice about something; I have a friend who I think is getting seriously addicted to drone and I have no idea what to do about it.

Basically I'm at university living with the guy. Last year our whole bunch starting using meph pretty regularly on the weekends but most of us have stopped after suffering the good effects less and less and the bad effects worse and worse. Personally I got vicious little comedowns that lasted for days and just generally felt shit. I've now been off the stuff for a couple of months.

The thing is my friend (let's refer to him as James) was buying in bulk and dealing while we were out or to other students, and where most of our buddies are off drone he's still doing more and more. He'll stay up for days and must be getting through almost 10Gs a week. The money isn't a problem because he's making so much from selling it. The whole thing just seems absurd to me though. We'll all have plans for the weekend and he'll stay up all night wednesday and thursday just sitting around redosing. Or he'll have a load of work to do and instead of doing it will just keep using. His nose is absolutely fucked it's always bleeding and he doesn't even seem to get high or have fun on drone. I love the guy he's one of my best friends but he's never himself recently.

I've talked to James about it and he claims that he's not addicted and could stop anytime. Also his primary excuse is that apparently he never gets the same bad effects everyone else does. We all stopped because of the comedowns but he doesn't comedown anywhere near as hard or feel worried about the fact his heart must be getting totalled 6 nights a week. Therefore, why should he stop if it allows him to stay up for days and he doesn't get bad effects? So his argument goes.

What do you guys think I should do? This last week he was up all night Saturday on drone, stayed awake til Sunday night, then on Monday was back on the drone through to Tuesday night. Got a few hours sleep on Tuesday then started using at 9am (?!) on Wednesday and stayed awake for about 48 hours. Should I be worried for him? It seems like I should be but he's a tricky person to argue with and like I said, he claims he enjoys it and gets no bad effects.

Apologies for the long post.

Thanks for any help.
 
You should be worried about him.

Have you tried talking to him about it when he's not high on the drug? Maybe you could try pointing him at some of the scarier stories on bluelight where people have abused the stuff if you think there is a chance he might pay attention to the information.

With regular use, snorting the stuff is really not good for your nose. That should count as a pretty major negative side effect he's getting if he wont admit to anything else.

Hopefully someone with more experience than me will have some better advice.
 
It's very hard to change someone in my experience. You can offer all the best advice in the world, but unless he wants to change, or feels he should, he likely won't :(

I imagine it won't take too long before the bad effects start to increase for him. Things will happen that SHOULD make him realise he is taking too much... how long that will take I don't know.

It sounds like you have tried to help him out, I don't know what else you can do really? Do your friends agree with you? Does anyone else think he has a problem?

If he wants to keep using and claims to suffer few ill effects, and he has a large amount available all the time he will continue to use is my guess. Sorry that's probably not a lot of help or what you wanted to here :(
 
I think it's very hard to get through to people unless they're serious about changing. Good luck with whatever you do next, I hope it works out.
 
^ I agree. Best you can do is stay close to him and hopefully he'll see he has a problem and make the decision to deal with it, or he'll, eventually experience the problems that you all have already experienced, and then you'll be there for him.

Good luck.
 
Sounds harsh but he needs a wake up call and it may come in the form of him having a bad one. I used to stay up most weekends from Friday - Sunday night a couple of years ago, getting totally trollied on pills all weekend and not sleeping.

Then one weekend I tried to get to sleep on the Sunday - chest got all tight, breathing went, started sweating, tingles down my arms and thought I was having a heart attack. Managed to walk round to my mates, hardly able to breath or speak who then calmed me down and ensured me I was just having a panic attack.

Haven't and never will do any of that staying-awake shit again but that experience was what learned me. It's happened to plenty of people I'm sure and I've read of people having panic attacks on Meph recently as well.

Just warn him I guess or he may just find out for himself. Bodies need r&r or they will just blow out.

P.S. good luck!
 
Adsy, I agree completely with the posts above.

Yes, your friend is in trouble -- but there's not much you can do about it right now.

One of the most painful things for me when coming out of the other side of my meph habit was seeing how completely I'd isolated myself from my friends and family because I couldn't deal with their disapproval.

I'm so grateful that the majority of my friends stuck by me and are still my friends despite my fuck up. Be the friend who was still there on the other side!!
 
MrM said:
Have you tried talking to him about it when he's not high on the drug? Maybe you could try pointing him at some of the scarier stories on bluelight where people have abused the stuff if you think there is a chance he might pay attention to the information.
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Scare stories are the least effective way of making someone stop doing something harmful, IMO. Just ask the Government!

Tangerine Dream is, unfortunately, bang on the money when they say that it's very hard to change someone that doesn't want changing.

Personally, I would question your friend about his actions. Ask him things like "Is the meph actually having any effect?" or "Are you actually enjoying it?". Get him to start questioning his own actions...
 
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