The Big & Dandy 'Age and Psychedelics' thread

[psood0nym]

^Hah! Well, best of luck to you. One theory about the workings of reality espoused by us psychedelic enthusiasts has to be right, right? May your megalomania be the most thoughtful and dispassionate type.

 

[hoopyfrood]

Maybe it's just my selective memory for annoying posts on bluelight by megalomaniac psychedelic users, but it does seem like there is a correlation.

One possible path to psychedelic-aided nerdgalomania: Nerds are smart. Perhaps under the influence of psychedelics their clever thoughts seem utterly ingenious. Psychedelics help both connect ideas that are associated and ideas that truly have nothing to do with each other, yet in both cases that connection comes with a feeling of intense insight. The result is that the nerdgalomaniac in the making thinks they're on the frontiers of thought when really their new found insights have all the coherence of tacky tape. They have few close real life friends to discuss their ideas and call them out on their bullshit and subconsciously they know better than to post too much about their thoughts on boards like bluelight. They're more than happy to accept the feeling of revelation without questioning it further while sober. These elements--lack of social checks, amplified but partially baseless feelings of self-love and worth, and willful self-ignorance--work together to create a positive feedback loop of ego inflation.

How long it lasts depends on the person, but it seems like the over-40 users on bluelight kept it under control or the their bubble burst long ago. I think most of the megalomaniacs are teenage boy rebels without a cause searching for something self-reinforcing to justify their isolation.

I agree with this.


As far as LSD giving us 'a different perspective'... meh ... seems like, so far, it shows me what I already know, but more visually. If that makes sense.

 

[love_sex_desire]

^Hah! Well, best of luck to you. One theory about the workings of reality espoused by us psychedelic enthusiasts has to be right, right? May your megalomania be the most thoughtful and dispassionate type.

I think a lot of us psychedelic enthusiasts theories are intertwined. For one, I noticed many similarities between my philosophy and Alex Grey's philosophy upon reading parts of his biography. It was rather relieving to gain some sort of validation from such a revered "psychonautical artiste".

One hint between the similarities: Alex Grey changed his last name to Grey in recognition of "grey matter", the infinite gradient creating our reality between the illusory polarities.

His paintings are heavily influenced by eastern mysticism such as Taoism. I discovered many of the revelations I had while under the influence of LSD are related to Taoism upon learning about the ancient Chinese philosophy. (Chronological order: Intense experiences of LSD-induced understanding of paradox, noted similarities between LSD-induced understanding of paradox and Taoism, lastly, noted similarities between LSD-induced understanding of paradox, Taoism and Alex Grey. We're all intertwined in the universal mind lattice anyway )

And related to this thread, (and sticking with the megalomaniac motif!) I think having been mature at a young age and having done LSD since a young age (14) allowed me to integrate these intertwined revelations with an less conditioned mind, which all coalesced into one ego-shattering direct experience of pure energy and being when I was 17. My outlook on reality has never been the same, in the most positive, beneficial way imaginable! The experience was similar to what Alex Grey symbolizes in the "universal mind lattice" pictured here:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/IndustrialScum/UML22.jpg

(of course I'm not even scratching the surface of the meaning behind this painting and it's context within the hall of sacred mirrors)

As far as LSD giving us 'a different perspective'... meh ... seems like, so far, it shows me what I already know, but more visually. If that makes sense.

LSD has only showed me what I already intuited. But it translated, deciphered and defined these otherwise seemingly unexplainable intuitions. If you put yourself into a vulnerable, open and receptive state of mind how can LSD not give you a different perspective? It puts your mind into a completely different state of consciousness.

Sometimes to understand your own perspective you need to put things in perspective by putting yourself into a psychedelic perspective!

I love my trigger-happy ketamine-induced bluelight-ramblings. Either they make perfect sense or they make no sense at al all! I hope I'm on the sensical solstice this time around...

 

[love_sex_desire]

Jut realized that my last post may promote the use of LSD with 14 year olds...
Enter obligatory scare tactic (HERE)!

But honestly, on the topic of age and psychedelics, I think 17 or 18 is probably the right age to first dip into the psychedelic experience. Intelligent, yet not completely conditioned. It's more a matter of maturity than age. Almost any average, healthy, curious, inquisitive, intelligent 17 year old would have a beneficial/therapeutical experience with psychedelics if done in the right set/setting.

 

[hoopyfrood]

Well, I have yet to have a very *truly* insightful experience with LSD. But I'm not saying you can't. I've hardly scratched the surface of psychedelics.

 

[love_sex_desire]

In my early days of psychedelics I was already pre-disposed to think of controversial spiritual and political ideas. Eventually, psychedelics brought together many of these insights into a meaningful subjective ideology. I don't want to sound pretentious, but some people are simply more receptive with psychedelics than others.

Just go with the flow, LSD will show you what you want it to.
Took me about four years of integration.

 

[hoopyfrood]

Heh, don't flatter yourself?

... but, out of curiosity, how -- exactly -- have psychedelics improved your moral standings, mental strength, and life? (not denying that they haven't in the slightest, I have yet to dabble in the depths of psychs, which is why I'm asking )

 

[love_sex_desire]

Don't flatter yourself? Whatdya mean!? I love jerkin off in front of a mirror!
But (obligatory) honestly....

I should probably think about your question and reply when I am not in the depths of a ketamine binge.

I'll start with the simple basis, by saying psychedelics have helped me realize the paradoxical nature of reality. Simply, the answer to the strenous anxiogenic (why?) inducing question is, there is no answer! There are no absolutes, change is the only constant. And it is very relieving.

I'll try (and please remind me) to expand after some much needed ketamine-clouded sleep (it's friggin past 6 AM in central Canada right now!)

 

[hoopyfrood]

But (obligatory) honestly....

^^

I should probably think about your question and reply when I am not in the depths of a ketamine binge.

I'll start with the simple basis, by saying psychedelics have helped me realize the paradoxical nature of reality. Simply, the answer to the strenous anxiogenic (why?) inducing question is, there is no answer! There are no absolutes, change is the only constant. And it is very relieving.

I'll try (and please remind me) to expand after some much needed ketamine-clouded sleep (it's friggin past 6 AM in central Canada right now!)

Oh, take your time, there's no rush. Sleep is important. But make sure to word it so yours truly can pick up on exactly what you're saying.

 

[B9]

what's with acid and megalomaniacal nerds anyway?

Good question but they go together well - maybe it's symbiotic :D

 

[Mjäll]

words

This is just blah unless you're a nice person.

Are you a nice person?

 

[love_sex_desire]

I don't want to sound pretentious, but some people are simply more receptive with psychedelics than others.

Heh, don't flatter yourself?

Just in case anyone assumed, I wanted to clarify through all my seeming pretentiousness %) that I didn't mean I specifically am more receptive to psychedelics than you are. You said you've just scratched the surface of psychedelics and it took me 4 years before I could really piece anything that I learned from psychedelics together. I meant some people are obviously more receptive to psychedelics in the sense that I see people goofing around not getting anything out of psychedelics all the time, meanwhile some people benefit spiritually and philosophically and seem to get a lot more out of psychedelics mentally. Goofing around is great on psyches, but regardless of people's intentions with psychedelics, I'd say those that have their mind expanded through the use of psychedelics seem to be more receptive to them. Just wanted to clarify so i don't look like a total douche.

This is just blah unless you're a nice person

Are you a nice person?

Meh, I'm kinda just blah, y'know.

I'm not trying to separate myself from other psychedelic users, and put myself atop the swirly pedestal of psychedeliadom. I figure bluelighters on PD, if anyone, would have experienced benefits and gained insights from psychedelics much like I have! I'm not claiming to have gained any revolutionary understandings that will change the face of the planet, but psychedelics have given me a perspective of reality I probably would still be trying to figure out without them and they have given me a more positive outlook on life. I'll try to compile some insights into a legible post sometime this week.

 

[telepathetic]

I was 16 when I first tried shrooms and 17 just like you when I first experienced the power of LSD. Looking back on it, I would have waited knowing what I know now.

But, would you know what you know now?

 

[Swirly]

the first time i took lsd was when i was 15 years old

it was a beautiful experience

 

[Mjäll]

Meh, I'm kinda just blah, y'know.

I'm not trying to separate myself from other psychedelic users, and put myself atop the swirly pedestal of psychedeliadom. I figure bluelighters on PD, if anyone, would have experienced benefits and gained insights from psychedelics much like I have! I'm not claiming to have gained any revolutionary understandings that will change the face of the planet, but psychedelics have given me a perspective of reality I probably would still be trying to figure out without them and they have given me a more positive outlook on life. I'll try to compile some insights into a legible post sometime this week.

Good, I just think you should know that you tend to come off as a bit "above" if you get it. I'm not trying to discredit your view, in fact I look forward to reading your legible post.

 

[hoopyfrood]

Just in case anyone assumed, I wanted to clarify through all my seeming pretentiousness %) that I didn't mean I specifically am more receptive to psychedelics than you are. You said you've just scratched the surface of psychedelics and it took me 4 years before I could really piece anything that I learned from psychedelics together. I meant some people are obviously more receptive to psychedelics in the sense that I see people goofing around not getting anything out of psychedelics all the time, meanwhile some people benefit spiritually and philosophically and seem to get a lot more out of psychedelics mentally. Goofing around is great on psyches, but regardless of people's intentions with psychedelics, I'd say those that have their mind expanded through the use of psychedelics seem to be more receptive to them. Just wanted to clarify so i don't look like a total douche.



Meh, I'm kinda just blah, y'know.

I'm not trying to separate myself from other psychedelic users, and put myself atop the swirly pedestal of psychedeliadom. I figure bluelighters on PD, if anyone, would have experienced benefits and gained insights from psychedelics much like I have! I'm not claiming to have gained any revolutionary understandings that will change the face of the planet, but psychedelics have given me a perspective of reality I probably would still be trying to figure out without them and they have given me a more positive outlook on life. I'll try to compile some insights into a legible post sometime this week.

Heh, don't humble yourself!

in fact I look forward to reading your legible post.

haha, that made me laugh

 

[DropDeadDevin]

I'm 14, and have taken shrooms twice, and acid once.

I have a pretty open mind and never once thought I'd have a bad trip, and of course, I haven't.

They only come around so often so I try to stock up when they do, though I'm 14 and can't get a proper job so I usually only have around 20$-50$ a week.

If you feel confident, try it with a sitter.

 

[straycatphizzle]

I'm 14, and have taken shrooms twice, and acid once.

I have a pretty open mind and never once thought I'd have a bad trip, and of course, I haven't.

They only come around so often so I try to stock up when they do, though I'm 14 and can't get a proper job so I usually only have around 20$-50$ a week.

If you feel confident, try it with a sitter.

hello devin, its nice to see another BLer under the age of 16

 

[Vader]

God I feel old...

 

[DropDeadDevin]

Trust me, it's nothing compared to chilling with a bunch of 18-21 year olds who have no idea that I'm 14.

And 'ello to you too straycatphizzle, ;D.