Serotonin Syndrome? Something else? Nothing?

[telepathetic]

So, lets start from the beginning.
I've had numerous experiances with psychedelics and the like, I'll just focus on the ones that seem to be a concern.

My first concern starts with 2c-i. My fiance and I did a week or two binge on it (I know irrisponsible, we've gotton past it all). It didn't seem to do anything major besides make emotions unstable.

My next concern was mephedrone (4-MMC). I had three seperate binges, each high doses, up to 4000mg in a session to my self(EXTREMELY STUPID). I had severe vascoconstriction, shook uncontroulably after a couple doses.
After the last mephedrone binge, I've been really paranoid.
I'm more aware of my heartbeat, all the time. It seems to be alot faster. On mescaline, my heart was going 120BPM, on pot once it went 180bpm. That was months ago. Now, sometimes right before I fall asleep I shake a bit, I normally forget about it by morning. I randomly get muscle twitches (my ass alot). None of these symptoms are severe enough to really freak a person who hadn't done any drugs out, but yeah. Like, I'm in fear its something like serotonin syndrome or onset parkinsons or something and its progressing towards death. If the symptoms would stay as is, its no big deal.

Just now, I was about to fall asleep when I felt this wierd twitch right below my left nipple. It wasn't normally where I'd go to feel my heart beat, but the way my mind works is wierd, so I became convinced it was a heart flutter. I ran to the bathroom and checked the mirror and my pupils were dialating between big (like, MDMA big) and small (like opiate small) very rapidly, millisecond timing.
This scared me quite a bit, and I took my temperature and it was 96.0. This is kind of low for me.
I dunno.

I'm also a known hypocondriac, after mephedrone for about a month I had a habbit of checking my eyes to make sure they weren't yellow from jaundice.

So what do you guys think? Do I need to see a doctor? Is it just my mind?

 

[Violenza666]

Becoming aware of your heart beat and other involuntary functions is a sign of panic disorder. You are most likely having panic attacks. See a Dr, you need some benzos. Coke the same thing to me. Good luck!

 

[telepathetic]

yeah? it's not THAT severe though, it was tonight it was that bad. I dunno. The pupil thing? And the twitches even when I'm not thinking about it, the nightly shakes? minor stimulants stim'ing me the fuck out

 

[Violenza666]

yeah? it's not THAT severe though, it was tonight it was that bad. I dunno. The pupil thing? And the twitches even when I'm not thinking about it, the nightly shakes? minor stimulants stim'ing me the fuck out

Yea it's the onset of an anxiety disorder. The same thing happened to me, I had to quit all stimulants even caffeine for a few years. It fucking sucked.

 

[telepathetic]

Yeah, I've kinda given them up by myself, they're only bad
But with psychedelics, was it just because mesc. is stimulating? The other day I had a fucking SCARY dmt experiance

Ever since first dabbling with DMT, I've wanted to break through. I thought it would be blissful, amazing. Well, it was amazing. Scariest experience of my life.

T+0: Packed Brittany a bowl of it and she smoked it with minor effect.
T+0: Packed her another, with a similar effect to what we've always had.
T+0: Packed myself a bowl of about 100mg and smoked it, same effect as always.
T+1m: As I was about to put the pipe away, I decided to smoke the resin, and took three hits.
T+1m: Suddenly, I heard this high pitched buzzing sound, bzzzzzzt, that got louder and higher pitched with every second. I closed my eyes, and saw the most colorful, profound visuals I have ever seen (similar to this: http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs5/f/2005/012/7/c/roger_essig_5_DMT.jpg).
T+2m: I opened my eyes, expecting to see the room with minor visuals as I always get with DMT, but instead, everything was enlongated into this cubist painting that had patterns assulting it at the highest speed I've ever seen any visuals go, and the room was spinning. As I tried to make out what was in the room, I saw both Brittany and Ryder (my dog) make the same head motion, over and over again at speeds that would have hurt their necks while making the same noise. It was really wierd. I tried to talk, but I couldn't.

From this point on, I couldn't judge time. Everything started to be a loop. The same thing would happen over and over again. I thought I had died, there were X's in both of Brittany and Ryder's eyes and then Brittany became this beauitiful blue angel. She said "Don't be scared, it's okay" and I thought I had died, gone to heaven, and she was the angel to greet me. As I put my head down because I was scared, that happened again, and again. Everytime I thought I had awoken from the bad trip, it would mind fuck me and start over but a little bit different, I got up and tried to get a drink of water, because it felt like the DMT was trying to tell me to drink water (me considering it a water spirit and all), and I tried to swallow it and I couldn't. There was a very painful block preventing me from doing so. It was as if they were trying to prove to me how powerful they were ("they" being the beings I was sensing that weave together our reality). Then they showed me they could stop me breathing, and I tried to take a breath and it was as if I just couldn't get my body to breath. Same happened with sneezing, and talking. They showed me how they could control me, Brittany, Ryder, my mind, my whole world. As I started to come down, I went downstairs and Brittany said "they said you went too close, too far in", and it scared me. I couldn't think about it, I was scared I'd go back into it.

All in all, it was scary but completely showed me how real everything is.

And, mescaline was not scary at all, never had a trip before besides this one. I'm having a 4-Aco-DMT trip in a few weeks, and its supposed to be a bit sedating. Hopefully that'll go good.

 

[telepathetic]

also, what about the random heart rate? Like I'll be fine, hanging out, having a good tiem then I just start to feel wierd and my hearts going crazy (up to 180bpm)? like no anxious thought, then it hits, THEN anxiety?

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Dude, you need to slow waaaaaaaaaaaay down before you get GAD + Panic disorder, witch I got from stims(everyday usage at school.)

Your first panic attack is always the worst one IME.

If you do get panicky during a trip, pop a seroquil, it will stop it in its tracks.

 

[Shambles]

Definitely doesn't sound like Serotonin Syndrome cos that's an acute kinda thang really - not ongoing. It does sound exactly like classic mephedrone side-effects though - very common and no fun. Seem to fade on their own over a few weeks or so but can linger longer. Maybe check out the Mephedrone Megathread - lots of people get similar, long-lasting, side-effects after using meph. Nasty stuff, in my opinion.

 

[Violenza666]

also, what about the random heart rate? Like I'll be fine, hanging out, having a good tiem then I just start to feel wierd and my hearts going crazy (up to 180bpm)? like no anxious thought, then it hits, THEN anxiety?

Yea that is how it starts. I am only telling you to get help because I wish I did sooner. It would have saved me many trips to the ER. However if your heart rate is at 180 off stims you might want to go to the ER.

 

[telepathetic]

Oh, no, not seroquil. I've got a funny story about that hahaha. A year ago, a friend gave me one, to help me get a good nights sleep. I took 3/4 of his (he had a HUGE dosage: 300mg). I slept GREAT, right? Before I fell asleep, I was having full-blown auditory hallucinations. I got up in the middle of the night to pee, realized I had horrible dry-mouth. I bent over the sink to get a drink of water. Next thing I know, my dad and my fiance are over me slapping me, trying to wake me up, yelling "what did you take?!". I had forgotton what I took, didn't know what was going on. I had fainted and almost snapped my neck.

So, no thank you, not taking seroquil to END a bad trip, haha.

 

[telepathetic]

Definitely doesn't sound like Serotonin Syndrome cos that's an acute kinda thang really - not ongoing. It does sound exactly like classic mephedrone side-effects though - very common and no fun. Seem to fade on their own over a few weeks or so but can linger longer. Maybe check out the Mephedrone Megathread - lots of people get similar, long-lasting, side-effects after using meph. Nasty stuff, in my opinion.

yeah, I've read alot of that thread-- very nasty stuff. But its been a month or two or three.

 

[telepathetic]

Yea that is how it starts. I am only telling you to get help because I wish I did sooner. It would have saved me many trips to the ER. However if your heart rate is at 180 off stims you might want to go to the ER.

it didn't do it off stim's-- it did it on pot. But, I could have miscalculated it.

 

[Violenza666]

it didn't do it off stim's-- it did it on pot. But, I could have miscalculated it.

Pot gives me panic attacks. You might have miscalculated because with a heart rate that high you would be nearing heart attack/stroke. Go to a dr and get checked out.

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

Dude, i'm telling you if you want to go to sleep on acid, seroquil is the way to go.

 

[PredatorVision]

I'd definatly avoid Mephedrone, for some incredably stupid reason I decided to drop acid after taking over 400mg (did this on two seperate occassions) I think the mephedrone makes me not care. Anyway since the last time I did this I've noticed I get a slight headache while taking acid which usually goes away after the trip though last time I dropped ( a week ago) I got a really bad headache which pretty much lasted up until last thursday, I can still feel it a bit now. It wasn't really a painful headache it was just quite dull and I couldn't concentrate on anything..

I doubt mephedrone had much if anything to do with it as I've not had any since early december; but the headache felt distinctly similar to one I have had in the past while coming down from meph. I've resolved to not take any psychedelic's for the next month or so and see if I still have the same problem then.

 

[jamezexe43]

I'd definatly avoid Mephedrone, for some incredably stupid reason I decided to drop acid after taking over 400mg (did this on two seperate occassions) I think the mephedrone makes me not care. Anyway since the last time I did this I've noticed I get a slight headache while taking acid which usually goes away after the trip though last time I dropped ( a week ago) I got a really bad headache which pretty much lasted up until last thursday, I can still feel it a bit now. It wasn't really a painful headache it was just quite dull and I couldn't concentrate on anything..

I doubt mephedrone had much if anything to do with it as I've not had any since early december; but the headache felt distinctly similar to one I have had in the past while coming down from meph. I've resolved to not take any psychedelic's for the next month or so and see if I still have the same problem then.

LSD can have strange effects. the first time i took acid, i had a cold. now everytime i take it, i get cold like symptoms. like an actual blocked nose, and a flemmy throat.
so who knows? you cant die directly from the acid, but the acid might repeat the chemicals pathways you got from mephedrone, causing death.

 

[jamezexe43]

im on speed and zopiclone right now, so who the hell knows waht im talking about

 

[telepathetic]

I'd definatly avoid Mephedrone, for some incredably stupid reason I decided to drop acid after taking over 400mg (did this on two seperate occassions) I think the mephedrone makes me not care. Anyway since the last time I did this I've noticed I get a slight headache while taking acid which usually goes away after the trip though last time I dropped ( a week ago) I got a really bad headache which pretty much lasted up until last thursday, I can still feel it a bit now. It wasn't really a painful headache it was just quite dull and I couldn't concentrate on anything..

I doubt mephedrone had much if anything to do with it as I've not had any since early december; but the headache felt distinctly similar to one I have had in the past while coming down from meph. I've resolved to not take any psychedelic's for the next month or so and see if I still have the same problem then.

my usual response to any psychedelic problems is a mescaline trip.
Mescaline is so grounding, such a base for all psychedelics.

 

[graugeist]

So what do you guys think? Do I need to see a doctor? Is it just my mind?

Why the hell haven't you seen a doctor yet? If you have concerns about your health I think it would be more prudent checking in with a doctor than an online forum.

 

[carl]

my usual response to any psychedelic problems is a mescaline trip.
Mescaline is so grounding, such a base for all psychedelics.

I'd strongly advise you to forgo the mescline trip and cut down on the intake of substances that you know have negative effects on you. If you are looking for pharmacological relief from your side effects, head to a medical professional and seek advice. I don't usually feel this way, but I do feel you should take a break from pharmacological entertainment for a long while. You've stated that you can't control your intake, two week binges of 2C-I and solo 4g meph sessions aren't healthy at all, and you know that. Take a break, and until you can safely use these substances, don't.