Heroin/Opioid Thread - Serious Discussion Only

[Lifeandtimes]

dude, there's nothing magical about it...it's not as sensational as ecstasy is, which is what makes E so easy to describe.

The heroin rush is just an intense, surging feeling of warm relaxation leaving you in a place of physical, mental (and spiritual if you ask me) numbness.

Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb" is about the best poetic description of a morphine/heroin high I've ever come across, you may want to check that out if you haven't already.

that's all? it's just a numbing warm feeling, yet so many people have lost their lives to it.

 

[eon_blue]

Yes, that's all it is (to me, anyway) and yes I nearly lost my life to it.

It has little to do with the rush itself and virtually everything to do with the fact that nothing, and I mean nothing, obliterates all your worries and troubles in life like a shot of dope. It isn't the feeling of the rush that does that, it's the nature of high itself. Being numb in every sense of the word.

Put it this way, I was a heroin addict and it was hard as hell for me to quit. I relapsed and getting clean again was even harder. I've been clean from heroin for almost a year now. Every few months or so, I'll take ecstasy at a rave. In my opinion, MDMA (ecstasy) provides a sense of euphoria that FAR surpasses that of heroin. However, I don't feel compelled to abuse E. Heroin is another story...as soon as I get a taste for it in my veins all bets are off.

It isn't about how "good" it feels when it comes to addiction, it's about how good it is at helping you forget. At least in my experience.

 

[RedRum OG]

dear opiates,
i love you
but youre breaking my heart. youre ruining the rest of my life. you always want me to elope with you. i really want to baby, but i cant. im sure youll convince me to leave behind the rest of my life soon enough.

 

[Deleted member 137730]

In my opinion, MDMA (ecstasy) provides a sense of euphoria that FAR surpasses that of heroin. However, I don't feel compelled to abuse E. Heroin is another story...as soon as I get a taste for it in my veins all bets are off.

It isn't about how "good" it feels when it comes to addiction, it's about how good it is at helping you forget. At least in my experience.

Thats weird. For me opiates are INTENSELY pleasurable. I would say in the range of 100-200 times more powerful that an orgasm easy and for sustained periods of time like 3 hours. Thats from oxycodone and heroin nasal.

I think alot of the people that become addicts are the ones that react like this to opiates. I never did them to forget, I did them for the pure orgasmic pleasure. I also build tolerance to them very very slowly.

It interests me to see how opiates effect people in different ways.

 

[RedRum OG]

I think alot of the people that become addicts are the ones that react like this to opiates. I never did them to forget, I did them for the pure orgasmic pleasure. I also build tolerance to them very very slowly.

i am one of those people. i wholeheartedly agree

 

[Deleted member 137730]

i am one of those people. i wholeheartedly agree

I feel like we are the lucky ones, we get to experience gradients of pleasure far far greater than most normal people could ever imagine possible.

Sex is really pretty pointless in comparison to any opiate IMO. After all sex does release far fewer levels of the feel good chemicals. I remember reading opiates mimic endorphin levels 100-200 times the normal endorphin level in some.

Anecdotally there is an enkephalin inhibitor being developed as an anidepressant if I recall correctly. So that would be good for us. I think the clinical trial is still open.

VIVA LA OPIATES

 

[Deleted member 137730]

but what is this rush like i really want to know, does anyone have something i can read that explains the rust like a very descriptive trip report that does a good job of describing in detail what it is like. People do a good job of describing an MDMA trip (ex, waves of euphoric rushes, extremely sociable and sensitive to music, etc.) but can someone describe a heroin trip so that i know what it is like, i really want to try it at least once in my lifetime.

Heroin is alot better than MDMA imo, it puts 300mg pure mdma to shame. With heroin you can usually remember most of it too, you create memories around it.

Take the best orgasm youve ever had then multiply it by 100X and add some warmth in there. It usually hits in consistent warm mini waves so its like the peak of ejaculation over and over again, but better and for longer periods of time. Its very relaxing and unlike mdma, its very natural feeling, which is good.
Its like waking up as a child on christmas day to open presents, its like embracing the love of your life and holding hands with God. You WILL feel physically and mentally better than you ever have in your life. Your confidence will supercede that of anything youve ever felt before. Its much more raw pleasure than mdma not stimulating much. Remember you will want to do it again, almost certainly if your a responder. You cant forget the feeling it will give you. It will also make all other drugs look terrible in comparison.

Be careful because for some people its so good they are willing to trade a normal life for it.

Also everyone has a different response to heroin, but if your a good responder "WATCH OUT".

IMO oxycodone/heroin are very similar snorting, but heroin is superior IV.

 

[Deleted member 137730]

I wouldnt say it's better then a orgasm. Ive had IV dilaudid, IV morphine and IV demerol and neither really come close to sex. Well ok even IV demerol beats lousy sex but thats not what im talking about . Hell a high dose of codeine beats some sex.

But even the ungodly rush of IV dilaudid doesent compare to the best orgasm ive ever had.

This stuns me. Maybe some people really are deficient in endorphins, because its easily 100-200 times better than an orgasm for me. I mean it is so intensely euphoric I cant open my eyes or see straight and it makes sex look about as appealing as homework on a friday night.

 

[MarkRenton]

Heroin is alot better than MDMA imo, it puts 300mg pure mdma to shame. With heroin you can usually remember most of it too, you create memories around it.

Take the best orgasm youve ever had then multiply it by 100X and add some warmth in there. It usually hits in consistent warm mini waves so its like the peak of ejaculation over and over again, but better and for longer periods of time. Its very relaxing and unlike mdma, its very natural feeling, which is good.
Its like waking up as a child on christmas day to open presents, its like embracing the love of your life and holding hands with God. You WILL feel physically and mentally better than you ever have in your life. Your confidence will supercede that of anything youve ever felt before. Its much more raw pleasure than mdma not stimulating much. Remember you will want to do it again, almost certainly if your a responder. You cant forget the feeling it will give you. It will also make all other drugs look terrible in comparison.

Be careful because for some people its so good they are willing to trade a normal life for it.

Also everyone has a different response to heroin, but if your a good responder "WATCH OUT".

IMO oxycodone/heroin are very similar snorting, but heroin is superior IV.

Got to agree with you. MDMA is nice and all but it's such a fake feeling it is not a natural high by any means while opiates really are just an intensified orgasm that takes over your entire body and mind for hours on end. It can't be beat.

 

[love2party]

Hello everyone, I have been an addict for the last 6-7 years. I started messing with oxy back in 02 but didn't get hooked till 2003-2004ish. I have done methadone, and suboxone, I have never been to rehab. I have done methadone tapers and they usually work and I stay clean for a while but than I get bored and I start chipping and than that turns into everyday usage.

It's hard for me to stay clean because I have family members that are addicts also and when they come around I am tempted to use.

Atleast I'm not shooting up anymore, now I just plug and I noticed a huge difference in how I feel. I don't feel as dirty as before, I'm talking figuratively not literally. I'm not as depressed and I actually care about my hygiene now. My anxiety has gone down but some days it's still really bad. I don't think the weed is helping either. Pretty much every time I smoke weed I have a panic attack and sometimes they get so bad I feel like I'm going psychotic.

I'm hoping I can start weening myself off the H pretty soon but the anxiety I have makes it harder because H helps alot with my anxiety. I have always been an anxious person, ever since I can remember, I have been the worry about everything type. I have 2 2/3 of suboxone's but I can't wait long enough to take them. Once I start feeling sick I start fiending for H and usually end up taking the suboxone too early and make myself really sick, than I go and cop, so the withdrawals will go away. Ne ways that's an update on myself.

One question. Has your guys's outlook on opiates changed. Like for example before I got seriously addicted I used to think that if I had a unlimited supply of oxy or any opiod I would be the happiest person in the world. But now that I have been an addict for several years even if you gave me an unlimited suppy of opiates I wouldn't be happy and would still be depressed. Do you guys feel the same way?

 

[Lifeandtimes]

Heroin is alot better than MDMA imo, it puts 300mg pure mdma to shame. With heroin you can usually remember most of it too, you create memories around it.

Take the best orgasm youve ever had then multiply it by 100X and add some warmth in there. It usually hits in consistent warm mini waves so its like the peak of ejaculation over and over again, but better and for longer periods of time. Its very relaxing and unlike mdma, its very natural feeling, which is good.
Its like waking up as a child on christmas day to open presents, its like embracing the love of your life and holding hands with God. You WILL feel physically and mentally better than you ever have in your life. Your confidence will supercede that of anything youve ever felt before. Its much more raw pleasure than mdma not stimulating much. Remember you will want to do it again, almost certainly if your a responder. You cant forget the feeling it will give you. It will also make all other drugs look terrible in comparison.

Be careful because for some people its so good they are willing to trade a normal life for it.

Also everyone has a different response to heroin, but if your a good responder "WATCH OUT".

IMO oxycodone/heroin are very similar snorting, but heroin is superior IV.

wow that is intense, you did a pretty good job of describing what it is like, now i sort of have an idea of what it is like. Can u elaborate on what u mean by it's more raw pleasure than mdma but not stimulating? and what are these waves like? And are there recreational users of heroin who aren't addicts, is that possible? i heard something like if u do it twice u become a guaranteed addict. Also how many lines of heroin are appropriate for a new user in one night and how long will the high from one line last? Thanks in advance

 

[thehappymutant]

Need some answers... Maybe someone can help?
I've been an IV H user for almost 2 years, ready to quit but I don't really know how. Being sent away for detox/treatment is not an option, I'm in uni, almost ready to graduate and here I shall stay. Plus I wouldn't be able to afford it. I kicked cold turkey once before by pretty much putting myself into a 3 day coma with klonazepam I had prescribed at the time, but that is no longer available to me.
What's the deal with suboxone? Is that shit covered by insurance? Can your doctor write you a script? Is it even a good way to quit? Is there something better that would not require me to take time off from school? Is there any way I can do this without suffering (which would lead me to automatic relapse)?

Forgot to add, my habit is about a quarter of a gram a day (black tar). If it matters...

 

[paranoid android]

The heroin rush is just an intense, surging feeling of warm relaxation leaving you in a place of physical, mental (and spiritual if you ask me) numbness.

Well ive never had heroin but every opiate/opioid ive tried does not feel like numbness to me at all really. Maybe it's because i equate numbness with a bad depression now that for me is numbness. The times when i cut myself and wasent manic/mixed state where when i had that numb feeling due to depression. So yeah opiates especially the rush of a IV hydromorphone injection does not feel like numbness at all to me atleast.

This stuns me. Maybe some people really are deficient in endorphins, because its easily 100-200 times better than an orgasm for me. I mean it is so intensely euphoric I cant open my eyes or see straight and it makes sex look about as appealing as homework on a friday night.

Maybe youve just been having lousy sex :D . Just joking . But everyone reacts differently to every drug and some find it to be more pleasurable then others. I mean i love IV hydromorphone don't get me wrong there and the rush is supposed to be more intense and better then heroin (though unlike heroin it doesent have much if any post rush high) but it's nowhere close to the feeling of the best orgasm ive ever had. That feeling can't be topped in my books.

 

[cire113]

ut now that I have been an addict for several years even if you gave me an unlimited suppy of opiates I wouldn't be happy and would still be depressed. Do you guys feel the same way?

yeah man i do... it sucks


You know your fucked when you feel just as bad high as you do not high...

im fucked.. I want to stop but cannot... and im too much of a pussy to admit to my family for the 20th time i fucked up just after i got back their trust last 2 years


im so lost and hopeless oh man its bad

 

[paranoid android]

You know your fucked when you feel just as bad high as you do not high...

I find that when my depression reaches a certain level getting high won't help it much if at all. Then i know i am fucked big time and thats theres no escape from the depression and i just have to ride it out.

 

[Lifeandtimes]

I find that when my depression reaches a certain level getting high won't help it much if at all. Then i know i am fucked big time and thats theres no escape from the depression and i just have to ride it out.

yeah that's a painful feeling, i know exactly what you mean. Depression is a bitch.

 

[Vladimir777]

I'm not sure I agree with the people saying heroin is 200-300x better than sex. First off, that is a HUMONGOUS FIGURE. I can't even conceivably imagine such pleasure, even if it were lousy sex. I don't think a heroin rush is even better than an orgasm. Would I rather shoot heroin than have sex? Probably,but the rush itself (which is the part that feels best, not to discount the rest of the high) is probably not better than an orgasm. Well, it might be. But certainly not any hundreds of times better. I loved opiates as much as the next man, but if you guys really feel something that much stronger you are insanely sensitive to opiates or you have terrible orgasms (and I do mean terrible).

An IV coke rush I might put above an orgasm. But again, not dozens, certainly not hundreds of times better. Opiates to me were like happiness, joy, motivation, whereas shooting coke was like sex. I needed opiates, but I always wanted to shoot the coke, that was the pleasure part of the equation. Opiates made me feel like I imagine normal people must feel: social, happy, alright with my life. I know a lot of people shoot H to go into an oblivion where they forget about all their troubles, but I shot it to feel happy and productive and to make the days seem more meaningful, rather than to escape into a hole of bliss (this isn't to say that I'm not an unhappy person, but I felt that opiates really brought out the positive aspects of my personality, although that also involved me wanting to quit it whenever I was on it, and it's a lot harder to have that same motivation after you do quit and every day is boring and lifeless and difficult).

 

[Dopamine_Cowboy]

A heroin rush gives me that going down in a fast elevator feeling...it's nice but not really sexual.

A good coke rush on the other means pretty much instant wood. I think cocaine and sex were made to go together, (and heroin is the cigarette after) but I have friends who completely disagree.

It's interesting how people experience the effects of drugs in so many different ways.

 

[eon_blue]

It's important to remember that when people compare heroin to sex, they're comparing the sheer physical sensations and that's it.

In my opinion, the high I get from having sex (with the girl I love) is far greater than any high heroin ever gave me, simply because the sex is so much more fulfilling. Heroin is not fulfilling, in fact the abuse of any opiate is not fulfilling. It only ever served me in the sense that it helped me not give a fuck about anything really, which in the end didn't serve very well at all (and that's a vast understatement).

There's no real, genuine or substantial feeling of accomplishment, success or happiness for that matter associated with opiates for me. Sex on the other hand does inspire such feelings.

 

[Lifeandtimes]

It's amazing how some will go to the extreme of saying it's 1000 times more better than an orgasm and others will say it's not even close. I know for a fact E is way better than any orgasm. I never did H