Okay, Here's why I respect Deadmau5 :

DOB said:
As dj his is shit,but good producer.Comercial electro isnt my thing but his track Ghosts n Stuff is nice :) I normaly listen dnb...

But dont understand why he dont use vinyls?? My 3 years old brother can push big "synchronize" button and make perfect beatmaching.True DJs play from vinyls and beatmach by their uber hearing,and it isnt that easy like someone said.Try to make perfect beatmaching and then say it is easy...
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rofl
 
A lot are similar but half o them are amazing imo.. great production... shitty presentation, and not enough change in style.. still isten to the stuff and would like to see him though!
 
Enjoy some of his tunes like: Arguru, Strobe and Slip

Mostly though, he produces samey shit. He can't dj to save his life either and there is no flow or sense of build up in his sets

Oh and toa$t I'd respect a quality DJ over a generic producer every time
 
MDMAhead said:
Deadmau5 is a fad. He makes commercial electrohouse tracks that all sound the same. No one will remember him in 10 years' time.
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Scratch that. Oldschoolers won't remember him in 10 years. Young people who are just entering the scene in these past couple of years will definitely remember Deadmau5. You seem to believe that because you don't like it and perceive it to be generic and commercial, that other people won't enjoy his music either. He has a huge fanbase. Music isn't supposed to be about all this bullshit. Music is supposed to make you move and feel good, it makes you want to dance, that's what Deadmau5's tracks do for millions of people. They could care less if some of his tracks sound similar, or if they're too commercial. They feel the music.

I like Deadmau5's music. I had so many good times dancing to his tracks. I remember "Ghosts 'N' Stuff" coming on while I was chilling outside a club having a serious conversation, I dropped everything I was doing, and ran inside so I could dance.

Deadmau5 - Ghosts 'N' Stuff

Listen to the rant at the end.
 
Juice. said:
Scratch that. Oldschoolers won't remember him in 10 years. Young people who are just entering the scene in these past couple of years will definitely remember Deadmau5. You seem to believe that because you don't like it and perceive it to be generic and commercial, that other people won't enjoy his music either. He has a huge fanbase. Music isn't supposed to be about all this bullshit. Music is supposed to make you move and feel good, it makes you want to dance, that's what Deadmau5's tracks do for millions of people. They could care less if some of his tracks sound similar, or if they're too commercial. They feel the music.

I like Deadmau5's music. I had so many good times dancing to his tracks. I remember "Ghosts 'N' Stuff" coming on while I was chilling outside a club having a serious conversation, I dropped everything I was doing, and ran inside so I could dance.

Deadmau5 - Ghosts 'N' Stuff

Listen to the rant at the end.
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You're free to listen to whatever music you want! I am aware that Deadmau5 has a lot of fans, but I can't help thinking that a lot of those fans are fairly new to 'EDM', and will have moved on to other producers, other genres, and other clubs within a couple of years.

If you knew some of the EDM I was into back in the late 90s, you would probably piss yourself laughing at how cheesy it was! I was into very commercial house and trance (think 'I'm horny' by Mousse T, and 'The Launch' by DJ Jean). I even liked the Vengaboys when I first heard them! But after a couple of years, my tastes evolved, and I discovered a whole range of new artists, who I still love to this day.

Try listening to some Kraftwerk/Underworld/Orbital/Aphex Twin - you may even like their music more than Deadmau5 :)
 
In a drunken hour of boredom i've read through alot of this thread, and all I can say is the greenlighter who came in at the last second got it right.
You seem to believe that because you don't like it and perceive it to be generic and commercial, that other people won't enjoy his music either. He has a huge fanbase. Music isn't supposed to be about all this bullshit. Music is supposed to make you move and feel good, it makes you want to dance, that's what Deadmau5's tracks do for millions of people.
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EDM is never the first genre of music people like. Everyone that discovers EDM comes from a different background of musical preference and I think that preference has a huge impact on the type of EDM they prefer. Some people will like dub-step, some will like DnB and some will like trance and in the end what is "better" comes town to pure personal taste.

All this bickering about producers vs. DJ's and certain styles vs. others seems really pointless to me.

We're all part of a subculture that to the layperson is very similar and yet we cant seem to appreciate different styles as unique and valid in their own right.

What i'm trying to say its its OK to HATE a different style of music, but its not OK to tell people that enjoy that style that their music is cheesy or unoriginal or whatever just because your taste is different.

I don't care if you don't like mozart or picasso. I don't like them either. but the fact that I don't like them does not by any means mean that I think they suck. say I like the drawing my 6 year old did for me in art class better than botticelli's primavera. that is a perfectly reasonable preference. but that preference doesn't mean botticelli's work hasn't appealed to both the critics and the masses. even if I didn't like the primavera, I am able to recognize and respect that the amount of work and artistic talent that goes into painting something like that far exceeds my 3 year old's ability.
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well put toast
 
Acid Eiffel said:
a testament to the formulaic aspect of his production perhaps?
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RGB said:
On to more subjective topics...I think DJing is given way too much credit for being dynamic in comparison to producing. The DJs I know generally put their sets together beforehand, even claiming that they spend about 90% of their effort preparing and 10% executing it live. There's little control over altering what you're going to sound like when you play your set live -- as long as you don't completely fuck up the transitions, you're basically going to move from one track to another, or overlay a loop from one track over another. Aside from that, you do have filters to mess around with and the EQ, but that's about where your live creativity ends. All the rest is in the preparation, and generally song order and selection of cue points, loops, etc. are done beforehand.

Then again, I am not a DJ by any means.
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a DJ needs a finely-tuned set of senses to make those subtle split-second judgment calls you are belittling by saying "that's about where the creativity ends," while a producer has plenty of time in which to pause and finesse the track to his/her satisfaction. the producer is kind of like a politician, they have time to think about what they're trying to say while the DJ is the infantryman who has to re-evaluate his escape route depending on how the battle changes.

I think it's senseless to argue whether a producer is more of an artist than a DJ or vice versa because they're both artists just as much as a writer or a painter is: they ALL depend on feedback to evolve, or they end up dying in obscurity like van gogh, whose success was entirely posthumous luck. there are no artists in ivory towers, only ones who give their work to the world and are capable of recognizing the wisdom within the feedback and using it to evolve their art.

obviously, what i'm saying is that deadmau5 is NOT an artist because he keeps pumping out the same boring shit, sneering at the people calling him unoriginal. there's reason people use that word, because it's very apt. it doesn't imply "talentless hack," it implies "you'd better learn how to CHANGE before even your current following grows old of your sound." he's just a flavour of the week like all the so-called artists on the top 40 countdown.
 
thujone said:
a DJ needs a finely-tuned set of senses to make those subtle split-second judgment calls you are belittling by saying "that's about where the creativity ends," while a producer has plenty of time in which to pause and finesse the track to his/her satisfaction. the producer is kind of like a politician, they have time to think about what they're trying to say while the DJ is the infantryman who has to re-evaluate his escape route depending on how the battle changes.
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I think this is an appropriate analogy. which one do you think is easier to master though? Although this is by no means definitive, I will bet dollars to donuts that there is a far greater number of effective infantrymen than politicians

thujone said:
I think it's senseless to argue whether a producer is more of an artist than a DJ or vice versa because they're both artists just as much as a writer or a painter is: they ALL depend on feedback to evolve, or they end up dying in obscurity like van gogh, whose success was entirely posthumous luck. there are no artists in ivory towers, only ones who give their work to the world and are capable of recognizing the wisdom within the feedback and using it to evolve their art.
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Rather than saying DJ is to producer as writer is to painter, I would say that DJ is to producer like photographer is to painter. sure, photography is an art. you need an eye to see things that are going to be aesthetically pleasing, and you need the technical ability to be able to capture those things in such a way as to attract an audience. This is almost exactly what a DJ does. However, I would be shocked if anyone would disagree with the claim that painting is a higher form of art than photography. Not only does the painter need to do the things that a photographer does-- they do so from scratch. the photographer merely collects things that already exists, and sometimes rearranges them in interesting or original ways. But the producer does all of this, AND creates the building blocks himself.
 
[Waiting for the this is whi I disrespect mau5 thread.....]

I think mau5 is a great producer, and puts on a great live show, but he also has ableton plan it out for him and he doesnt change his set list very often it seems. (recently he has been switching it up more but in 2007 he played the same hour set for the whole year basically. and 2008 was pretty much the same too). I think its funny his setup costs like 20k or something and other djs are rocking out better shows with a 1200 dollar laptop and 400 dollar midi controller.
 
toa$t said:
I think this is an appropriate analogy. which one do you think is easier to master though? Although this is by no means definitive, I will bet dollars to donuts that there is a far greater number of effective infantrymen than politicians
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thanks :) yeah i really couldn't hazard a guess at which would be easier to master; it's hard to say anything definitive because a top calibre artist in either category will always be learning new tricks and trying new things and innovating in new ways, something a self-professed master doesn't do and so their sound grows stale.

Rather than saying DJ is to producer as writer is to painter, I would say that DJ is to producer like photographer is to painter. sure, photography is an art. you need an eye to see things that are going to be aesthetically pleasing, and you need the technical ability to be able to capture those things in such a way as to attract an audience. This is almost exactly what a DJ does. However, I would be shocked if anyone would disagree with the claim that painting is a higher form of art than photography. Not only does the painter need to do the things that a photographer does-- they do so from scratch. the photographer merely collects things that already exists, and sometimes rearranges them in interesting or original ways. But the producer does all of this, AND creates the building blocks himself.
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true, i guess i just have more respect for DJs (and photographers ;) ) because of how elemental they are to the process. i mean, it's tough for a producer to get a following unless their shit gets bumped to as wide an audience as possible and even with the advent of youtube it's tough to really take off without donning the DJ role and going out to bang those tunes in as many clubs as possible. many many times a wicked producer will go all but entirely unnoticed until/unless they bring their music to a live audience and really generate such an atmosphere that's worth remembering. that moment of magic is where the role of DJ takes on incalculable value, because it can make or break the commercial success of a producer.

while a writer or painter or producer succeed at taking abstract notions and turning them into concrete reality, a photographer or DJ's objective is taking those absolutes and turning them back into something abstract on such a subtle level that it blurs the lines between real and unreal; light and dark, and capitalises on the mysticism generated by being just the right amount of vague. sort of like a hot girl you've never seen winking at you from across the street. you probably wouldn't think twice about her if she didn't wink at you, despite how much a work of art she may be, but that wink, like an epic transition, is that spark; that indescribable je-ne-sais-quoi moment of SEX that makes the whole episode memorable.

i would say that capacity alone endows a DJ with a great deal of artistic power.
 
MDMAhead said:
You're free to listen to whatever music you want! I am aware that Deadmau5 has a lot of fans, but I can't help thinking that a lot of those fans are fairly new to 'EDM', and will have moved on to other producers, other genres, and other clubs within a couple of years.

If you knew some of the EDM I was into back in the late 90s, you would probably piss yourself laughing at how cheesy it was! I was into very commercial house and trance (think 'I'm horny' by Mousse T, and 'The Launch' by DJ Jean). I even liked the Vengaboys when I first heard them! But after a couple of years, my tastes evolved, and I discovered a whole range of new artists, who I still love to this day.

Try listening to some Kraftwerk/Underworld/Orbital/Aphex Twin - you may even like their music more than Deadmau5 :)
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I listen to Kraftwerk and Aphex Twin. I also listen to Deadmau5, Eric Prydz, and even Calvin Harris. Fucking sue me.

I came into EDM from Hip-Hop. In Hip-Hop, if you say one rapper is terrible and one is a genius, it is actually based on something tangible. Like lyrical ability and content. Soulja Boy is shit and Rakim is the shit. That's fact. EDM on the other hand is centered around music production rather than lyrics, so what genre you prefer is based on your musical taste. That is why it is extremely arrogant and snobby to act like you do.

Deadmau5 can't be compared with the Vengaboys or any of that cheese you used to listen to. He makes electrohouse songs without lyrics. How you can equate "Strobe" with "I'm Horny" is beyond me.

Real lovers of EDM will not heckle anyone for enjoying "commercial" songs. Technically some songs are better than others, but all contribute to the joy and ecstasy that comes from electronic dance music alone. Enjoyable EDM is enjoyable EDM.
 
Juice. said:
I came into EDM from Hip-Hop. In Hip-Hop, if you say one rapper is terrible and one is a genius, it is actually based on something tangible. Like lyrical ability and content. Soulja Boy is shit and Rakim is the shit. That's fact. EDM on the other hand is centered around music production rather than lyrics, so what genre you prefer is based on your musical taste. That is why it is extremely arrogant and snobby to act like you do.
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Dude, this is an ELECTRONIC MUSIC DISCUSSION forum - y'know - where people give their opinions about electronic music. If you can't take people's criticism of your beloved Deadmau5, then why don't you go and join another forum where everyone worships the ground that he walks on - I'm guessing he has a fan page where people do just that, so GO AND JOIN IT.

There are many tangible reasons why people dislike Deadmau5:

1) His music is unoriginal.

2) A lot of his tracks sound the same.

3) His disrespect of DJs.

4) A lot of his 'live sets' are identical, and are probably not very live at all.

5) He is a paedophile.

6) He is a member of the Taliban.



Juice. said:
Real lovers of EDM will not heckle anyone for enjoying "commercial" songs. Technically some songs are better than others, but all contribute to the joy and ecstasy that comes from electronic dance music alone. Enjoyable EDM is enjoyable EDM.
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The reason I dislike Deadmau5 has nothing to do with his commercial success. I just don't think his music is anything special. Is that ok with you, or would you like me to pretend I love him just because a lot of other people do?

I am a huge fan of New Order, who are one of the most commercially successful bands in history - infact, they have probably sold 100* as many records as Deadmau5, so maybe there is some justice in this world afterall :p
 
^^ reason 5 and 6 seem the most obvious.

Ghosts and Stuff is an epic track, no doubt. But the other 50 tracks that have the same synth lead not so much.

I love ghosts and stuff, but come on, moar ghosts and stuff? you have to be kidding, i've had enought.
 
1) His music is unoriginal.

2) A lot of his tracks sound the same.

3) His disrespect of DJs.

4) A lot of his 'live sets' are identical, and are probably not very live at all.

you had me at hello. lol
 
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