Harm Reduction Where can I get micron filters?

[Captain.Heroin]

Damn that's a lot of needles, now I'm picturing that scene in one of the Saw movies with a pit full of syringes, ugh.

Do they only have one type they give out? I would doubt they give you options to choose from. The ones I was indirectly getting from an exchange were 1cc maybe 28 or 29 gauge (looked huge next to my 31Gs) and had a longer needle, I don't know the length but maybe 3/4".

I don't think I will be using enough to make it worth exchanging since subway fare costs as much as 15 from a pharmacy I can walk to. The exchange in NJ this guy I knew also got neat little tubes of sterile distilled water and these little metal mixing caps plus latex tourniquets (which I find a pain in the ass).

*lol* I have enough used needles to fill up the pit they used in Saw. Hopefully I'll be getting to the exchange tomorrow.

And no, they don't just have 1 type they give out. Diabetics and other people who need needles for medicinal reasons use a wide variety of gauges, needle lengths, and volumes. At the exchange I go to, they have low 20's all the way up to 31. 28 and 29 are a bit bigger when compared to a 31, which is why I don't prefer to use any bigger than a 30 for IVing.

I think it's nice to get harm reduction supplies at the exchange because I go through it pretty quickly.

Im really lucky coz my local NSP(needle and syringe program) stores all kinds of micron filters, most people in other countries or states need to get them off the net or maybe you can write to a manufacturer and get them to send out to you.

You lucky fuck! Send me some! :D I'll pay for the postage!

Where in God's name do you live where you can get micron filters from an exchange?

 

[Oxymorphone]

*lol* I have enough used needles to fill up the pit they used in Saw. Hopefully I'll be getting to the exchange tomorrow.

And no, they don't just have 1 type they give out. Diabetics and other people who need needles for medicinal reasons use a wide variety of gauges, needle lengths, and volumes. At the exchange I go to, they have low 20's all the way up to 31. 28 and 29 are a bit bigger when compared to a 31, which is why I don't prefer to use any bigger than a 30 for IVing.

I think it's nice to get harm reduction supplies at the exchange because I go through it pretty quickly.

That's crazy man, how many do you go through a day and waht do you primarily use them for?

There is an exchange not so far I could walk to but it would be a trip if I could make their hours. I just don't see myself using that many needles or IVing very often. I mean there is no way in hell I'm going to relapse and go back to dope but I want to IV bupe once in a while for a little fun, and maybe some cocaine or amphetamines if I have filters.

This is so frustrating, I have enough suboxone to get me high IVing it 20,000 times (that's an accurate figure, maybe more with 400+ 8mg pills) at your .16mg dose but I'm not there yet tolerance wise. Never have I had so many drugs and not been able to use them.

You lucky fuck! Send me some! :D I'll pay for the postage!

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Word to that, I'll pay for postage for micron filters too!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If I had the $, I would throw down for a bulk amount of the filters then I'd sell them to you guys via PO boxes and such.

I wish I had that kind of $.

 

[Oxymorphone]

If I had the $, I would throw down for a bulk amount of the filters then I'd sell them to you guys via PO boxes and such.

I wish I had that kind of $.

How much are they in bulk and what is the legality of them?

What about micron filters from science gear suppliers for lab use?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's crazy man, how many do you go through a day and waht do you primarily use them for?

How many syringes do I go through a day...

Well, considering there's two of us, we go through about 12 to 20 syringes in a day, depending on what we're doing.

I primarily use 31g's for IVing, and 30g's for IMing. We go through about 10 to 12 syringes a day using Suboxone, and we go through an additional 1 to 2 syringes for measuring water because I get 5mL bacteriostatic water tubes at the exchange so I use five 27G 1mL syringes to store the water in. Then, we might go through 2 of the 30g's IMing K (not every day but some days), and some other times I'll also additionally have another IV K dose afterwards (but that's just me) so 1 more 31. So far that makes 13 to 17 syringes a day. Then, there's days (that are less frequent than even using K) where we will have IV flurazepam or IV midazolam. That's an additional 2 syringes, 15 to 19 per day.

12 to 20 syringes / day is a good estimation, considering I can combine a benzo, K, and Suboxone all in one shot. I typically don't do it that way though.

Considering we also occasionally use 18G needles to give a pet lactated ringer's, 12 to 20 is a good estimation, considering 2 to 5 of the syringes/needles counted aren't actually used for injecting anything.

Oh, and when the phenazepam comes in, I have considered using large gauge needles to store the propylene glycol + phenazepam solution.

Finally, sometimes when you're using exchange needles they'll be bent, or otherwise damaged. Those are discarded or saved to send back to the manufacturer. So that's why 12 to 20 is such a large range.

It's a rare day I'll get by with only two or three shots or so (that would make for four to six syringes instead) but typically it's 12 to 20.

Not to mention back in the day I have tried IM 2c-E, IV MDA, IV Heroin, and IV cocaine. I just abstain from those now. I tried the 2c-E twice, the IV MDA once, IV heroin maybe a dozen or two times, and cocaine maybe two dozen times.

There is an exchange not so far I could walk to but it would be a trip if I could make their hours. I just don't see myself using that many needles or IVing very often. I mean there is no way in hell I'm going to relapse and go back to dope but I want to IV bupe once in a while for a little fun, and maybe some cocaine or amphetamines if I have filters.

This is so frustrating, I have enough suboxone to get me high IVing it 20,000 times (that's an accurate figure, maybe more with 400+ 8mg pills) at your .16mg dose but I'm not there yet tolerance wise. Never have I had so many drugs and not been able to use them.

You have four hundred 8mg Suboxone pills? Impressive! Guard those with your life. My equivalent # of doses is around 7,500. I hope to increase this number as quickly as possible.

Getting so many doses out of a 8mg pill is pretty awesome.

How much are they in bulk and what is the legality of them?

What about micron filters from science gear suppliers for lab use?

I'll quote some pages online, the legality is that they're uncontrolled as far as I can tell.

I think most sites selling micron filters 100% don't care what you're using them for.

I'll get some numbers posted in a second.

from gpzservices, 50 count of the Whatman 25 MM, PVDF Membrane, .20u pore size, sterile syringe filters: $170. This means, each filter costs $3.40.

When you buy 1 from gpzservices, it is $5.00 each.

from http://vwrlabshop.com/, 150 count of the Whatman 25MM, PVDF membrane, .20u pore size, sterile syringe filters: $414.17. for 1500 count: $2,428.71.

At 150 count, that makes them $2.76 each, and at 1500 count, that makes them $1.62 each. When you have 2 and a half grand they get much cheaper and it would be really easy to make your money back selling them to people on BL.

at labsource.com, 150 of them is $389.80, which makes them $2.60 each.

 

[Oxymorphone]

That's pricey, I assume the filters are single use too? Yeah I get a decent number of Suboxone pills. Next visit in 3 weeks I'm going to tell my doc 16 hasn't been enough sometimes and I want to go up to 24 which he won't have a problem with. Hell maybe I'll ask for 32, this guy seems more than willing to write me more and is surprised at my "low" dosage. So that mean 360 2mg doses from a 1 months Rx at 24 per day :D When you turn that to IV doses it becomes ridiculous.

Trust me after I cut them all in quarters, except for 30 for potential unrelated business ventures, I put them in about 8 different bottles and stashed them in different places.

I would be interested in getting a few microns, if they could be cleaned and reused that would make it worth it. I see no reason you couldn't use a filter multiple times, it will keep filtering until clogged...

 

[Captain.Heroin]

That's pricey, I assume the filters are single use too? Yeah I get a decent number of Suboxone pills. Next visit in 3 weeks I'm going to tell my doc 16 hasn't been enough sometimes and I want to go up to 24 which he won't have a problem with. Hell maybe I'll ask for 32, this guy seems more than willing to write me more and is surprised at my "low" dosage. So that mean 360 2mg doses from a 1 months Rx at 24 per day :D When you turn that to IV doses it becomes ridiculous.

Trust me after I cut them all in quarters, except for 30 for potential unrelated business ventures, I put them in about 8 different bottles and stashed them in different places.

I would be interested in getting a few microns, if they could be cleaned and reused that would make it worth it. I see no reason you couldn't use a filter multiple times, it will keep filtering until clogged...

The idea is you should only use a micron filter once, however you can pass quite a bit of fluid through a single micron filter. I'm not sure how much, but I imagine you could pass through 50mL (if I'm mistaken people can correct me) - and then you can store this large amount of sterile solution in a sterile container - so that one filter would last you quite a long time. Or, to be safe, a week or two so that using two micron filters a month is a rather affordable and safe practice.

That's why it's best to also purchase a media bottle online as well.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Interesting stuff, thanks.

 

[Oxymorphone]

I was reading this in another thread, sounded like an interesting idea for people who are going to inject pills with no micron access.

Instructions:
I completely advise you use a micron filter if you are going to shoot pills! If not I'll explain a method to help you get most the particles out and leave you with a clear solution that is safer than nothing.

Take one of the insulin syringes and break the needle off. Take the plunger out of the back of the syringe & fill the syringe up to about 30ml's with cotton. Pack it down there good with the plunger. Ive also found adding layers of coffee filters between the cotton helps as well. Sit this syringe aside for later use. Now crush up the Hydromorphone and place it in a spoon you've cleaned good with alcohol wipes. Keep everything sterile! Do not heat Hydromorphone you will only make the shot weaker and get more fillers into the solution. Add 1cc of cold water to the Hydromorphone in the spoon. Let it sit for 5 min. Drop in a ball of cotton off of a Qtip (or similar) and suck the liquid through it into the unused insulin syringe.

Take the plunger out of the insulin syringe you packed with cotton and back load the Hydromorphone solution from the other insulin syringe into this one. Now in the clean unused spoon push the plunger into the filtering syringe and watch the liquid slowly push through the cotton into the clean spoon. It should be a very clear solution. Now drop another cotton ball into this spoon & suck up the solution into a clean syringe. Now you should have a 100% clear solution in a clean and sterile syringe ready for injection. This isn't 100% safe and particle free but it should get out a lot of the dangerous particles from shooting pills. Shooting pills is NEVER safe, but this is as close as I can get from household items without getting a micron filter. It's better then just filtering with a cotton and shooting. You should get back about 70 units of water out of the 100 units you strated with.

Tie off, find a vein, swab your arm with alcohol, register, & shoot off. You should experience an AMAZING rush. A short lived high this way but the rush is amazing. It feels better then any heroin I've ever IV'd by far. I just wish the high lasted longer, when it comes to IVing Hydromorphone though it's all about the rush. It's like opiate crack! I've only IV'd these MAYBE 1 time every 3 months because being a registered nurse I know the health risks associated with doing this and it just isn't worth it. Plus I don't abuse my meds and I honestly use them for pain control & i'm afraid if I started IVing these consistently I'd end up addicted & abusing my meds. I'd stop being able to use them for pain control anymore because my tolerance would be ruined. If youare using these for strict recreational prupose and you know you won't have access to abuse them a lot. Then go ahead and shoot them if you are already an IV user. It's great. If your like me and have endless supplies I'd strongly suggest to stay away from IVing these!

 

[Oxymorphone]

I just tried the method above and it works great. Time consuming but I did it twice to filter 75mg adderrall from an opaque oragne solution to a clear one with only a hint of orange. I know it's not perfect but it gets the job done and is the clearest I've ever gotten adderall (20x better than sucking through cotton balls with a needle (but that is still a first step to filter the big gunk and I clogged one needle at first and snapped the plunger trying to clear it). I can see all the particulates and gunk caught in the cottons and filter material I pulled out of the syringe. It also puts old syringes to use. I highly recommend this as a harm reduction procedure for anyone that is going to IV pills since microns are so hard to get and most people will jut use a cotton ball. This works very well and is the next safest thing. You just have to be patient with the process. I'm sure there are other filter materials that could make this work even better.

IVing pills is never safe, but if you are going to do it use this method. I should have taken before and after pics of the process and I will if I do it again. Wow I feel the amphetamines taking hold (I IVed half, still have another shot), anyone know the oral bioavailability of dextro and l amphetamines orally so I can compare this to an oral dose? The most I've snorted/swallowed was 120mg in a couple hours.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Just bought 5 whatman .20um microns and 10 10ml syringes (I don't need that many but that was the lot they came in, 10 for $9 shipped). I paid $18 shipped for the 5 wheel filters.

They only thing is the syringes don't have needles (they come with plastic applicator cannula tips though) and I don't know where to get them. I also don't know what kind of vials or media storage to get, suggestions?

 

[fm1983]

A few pets stores locally by me sell micron filters. They are sold for fish tanks. Not sure on specs and I don't IV anything, but just a heads up for you peeps.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Just bought 5 whatman .20um microns and 10 10ml syringes (I don't need that many but that was the lot they came in, 10 for $9 shipped). I paid $18 shipped for the 5 wheel filters.

They only thing is the syringes don't have needles (they come with plastic applicator cannula tips though) and I don't know where to get them. I also don't know what kind of vials or media storage to get, suggestions?

You can get the needle tips at a lot of places, I get mine at the vet.

Glad to hear you bought some 0.2 micron filters man. I got mine a day ago and am super stoked.

The only reason why I am using the luer lock needle tips on the 20cc syringe is to draw back water from a vial of bacteriostatic water. If you are using a water source that doesn't require a needle to puncture through anything then you shouldn't need the needle tips - just a media bottle for your solution to stay in so you can draw it out with new, permanently fixed needles.

Just go to a needle exchange man, they should have plenty of syringe only luer locks and luer lock needle tips. I know mine does I just haven't requested them yet - was going to go today but slept in instead.

A few pets stores locally by me sell micron filters. They are sold for fish tanks. Not sure on specs and I don't IV anything, but just a heads up for you peeps.

Are you sure they are the same? Because the micron filters we are talking about screw onto luer lock syringes...I'm not sure how that would work for a fish tank but I would be interested in finding out.

 

[Oxymorphone]

You can get the needle tips at a lot of places, I get mine at the vet.

Glad to hear you bought some 0.2 micron filters man. I got mine a day ago and am super stoked.

The only reason why I am using the luer lock needle tips on the 20cc syringe is to draw back water from a vial of bacteriostatic water. If you are using a water source that doesn't require a needle to puncture through anything then you shouldn't need the needle tips - just a media bottle for your solution to stay in so you can draw it out with new, permanently fixed needles.

Just go to a needle exchange man, they should have plenty of syringe only luer locks and luer lock needle tips. I know mine does I just haven't requested them yet - was going to go today but slept in instead.


Are you sure they are the same? Because the micron filters we are talking about screw onto luer lock syringes...I'm not sure how that would work for a fish tank but I would be interested in finding out.

Yeah I've been meaning to head to the exchange, I didn't even think they might have luer lock syringes/needles. Someone who directed me to the one I plan on going to said needles went up to 3CC, not sure f they wll be luer lock since the others looked like insulin syringes from the pics.

I just need storage and I don't think I will need to puncture anything since I can just open the sterile water I'll pick up from the exchange. I guess i should look for a couple 20-50ml media bottle, 250 seems a little extreme for me.

Also I doubt he is talking about the same microns.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yeah I've been meaning to head to the exchange, I didn't even think they might have luer lock syringes/needles. Someone who directed me to the one I plan on going to said needles went up to 3CC, not sure f they wll be luer lock since the others looked like insulin syringes from the pics.

I just need storage and I don't think I will need to puncture anything since I can just open the sterile water I'll pick up from the exchange. I guess i should look for a couple 20-50ml media bottle, 250 seems a little extreme for me.

Also I doubt he is talking about the same microns.

Cool. Yeah I don't know if my exchange even has the 20CC syringes I use/need, but I hope they do.

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/vials~presealed/-br~br-amber/list.htm

Those are some vials you might want to look into getting.

http://www.gpzservices.com/items/products/vials~unsealed/-br~br-amber/list.htm

Or some vials w/o a seal.

 

[Oxymorphone]

So the guy I bought 5 microns from off ebay says the only .20um he has are for oil based solutions only and won't work for water, he said he would look around to see if he had and .20s meant for water based solution and I told him if he can't find any to give me the .45s. I have never heard of this, are there different types of microns for different solutions and will an "oil .20" really not work with water? It's just a filter, what could be the difference?


How much of a difference is there between .45s and .20s?

 

[Artificial Emotion]

What's a good site for British Bluelighters to purchase micron filters?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

What's a good site for British Bluelighters to purchase micron filters?

I'm not from the UK but did you try gpzservices.com? Are they US only?

How about researchsupply.net?

How much of a difference is there between .45s and .20s?

The size of what particles you're letting through the filter.

I think you really do want to get 0.2's though to be honest. Whatman. PVDF.

 

[danalprazolam]

I went on the net and they were $900 for 12. I can get a sports coat for that price, made in italy. And I think they havesomthing better then the .2's .75's I believe.

 

[Oxymorphone]

I went on the net and they were $900 for 12. I can get a sports coat for that price, made in italy. And I think they havesomthing better then the .2's .75's I believe.

They are $5 each and also .75 is useless, .45 is questionable and for drug filtering purposes you want .20, so you don't have a clue what you're looking at or talking about. $900 for 12? I think you must have been looking at a different type of filter or don't know how to use 'the net'.