For Those Who Take Both Benzos And Stims (Adderall, Ritalin etc) Daily

[Oxymorphone]

Adderall and Klonopin go great together. Before I discovered just how good a combo it was (I thought it would kill the amp rush and energy) I was up for 72 hours on dextroamphetamine and was near crash hurting all over then i took some klonopin planning on using it to fall asleep quick giving up on a huge paper when all of the sudden the klonopin cured every negative effect of the amphetamines and I felt good as new and was able to keep working. They really do have a great synergy.

Klonopin and other benzos (I think klonopin is best) get rid of all the jitters, upset stomach, racing mind, anxiety, panic attack type feelings, headache, etc, and those symptoms worsen if you are using it to stay up for extended periods and it cures them. When you are about to crash and take a benzo to ease the pain and help you sleep you will be surprised how good it makes you feel and that you can keep going and enjoy the positives of amphetamines.

 

[Oxymorphone]

i take between 40mg and 120mg of adderall a day for about two weeks along with 2mg-6mg of klonopin and tylenol pm.

I take the benzos in 0.5mg increments to balance out the amphetamine and take a few extra a couple hours from my last addy dose. And if I can't sleep I'll take 3 tylenol PMs...it used to be that i'd throw in some kind with all that and get some really good work done, but i just moved to new state so i have no connects.

Yes, I do notice negatives...my body feels terrible and although i am extremely productive with my artwork, I am left feeling drained and weak after two weeks - generally i loose roughly 5-7lbs too because i just couldn't be bothered by eating. The weakness and body pain is the most debilitating to me because I already have a bad back and I am usually in a state of heavy training so as much as I truly love the adderall, I can only play with it for about two weeks to every two months (come to think of it it's been about 2 months now). Otherwise I would be training 5 hours a day 5 days a week for nothing...

I know how you feel but you gotta space that shit out and give yourself a day of rest. I wouldn't go more than 4 days with no sleep. Rereading your post you seem to be speeding up and using benzos to help ease the pain and sleep. I would say it's better to stay up for extended periods then sleep for a long time and repeat instead of constantly going up and down on different drugs. Either way you are screwing with your body and it isn't healthy. You will end up spun out at some point and may have a breakdown if you're not careful. When I did stuff like that I would force myself to eat two meals a day and snacks. It's just something you have to tell yourself to do like it's part of your assignment, even if you don't feel like it force it, that is the most important thing to get you through those stretches.

 

[OpiYum]

1-What stimulant you take daily (or semi-daily) and what dose you take
Adderall 20 mgs 2x a day, so 40mg per day.

2-What benzo and what dose you take.
xanax, occasionally maybe 2x per week at .25 or .5 mgs a day

3-Do you essentially find it necessary to take a benzo during/after taking a stim, or are you somehow able to deal with the crash and inability to sleep without using a benzo.

I have no problem sleeping from stimulants. I take xanax for anger/sadness/anxiety any time of day.

4-Lastly, do you find any negatives from using this drug regimen (stimulant during the day/early night, and then benzos to bring you down at the end of the night).

I have done that before with crack and heroin and overdosed and was in a coma. I also had psychosis semi-permanently. Not trying to scare you, adderall and benzo are different.
I have no problem with the adderall and benzo combo, however, I wouldn't want to get addicted to benzos. I try to use them sparingly. Even 1 mg a day of xanax would have me worried and anxious!

 

[nods]

You are simply repeating history when in the 1950s benzedrine+Seconal was a common rollercoaster of choice.

If you TRUELY have ADD/ADHD amps should calm you. the first time i took 5mg Dextroamphetamine i fell deeply asleep for 2 hours and felt relaxed. get another opion on your diagnosis or you'll be in treatment soon enought.

 

[daddysgone]

You are simply repeating history when in the 1950s benzedrine+Seconal was a common rollercoaster of choice.

If you TRUELY have ADD/ADHD amps should calm you. the first time i took 5mg Dextroamphetamine i fell deeply asleep for 2 hours and felt relaxed. get another opion on your diagnosis or you'll be in treatment soon enought.

While it has been fairly accepted that for those that truly have ADD/ADHD, stimulants actually calm them and make them focus; in fact some docs use this as a tool to help diagnose ADD. They will prescribe some stimulant med, and if the patient reports he felt more relaxed and focused, as opposed to amped up, it is generally regarded as a good indicator that this person indeed has ADD/ADHD.

However, your report of falling asleep after taking 5mg of Dextro doesnt really prove anything since that is a tiny dose. Even if one truly does have ADD, lets remember that these are still stimulant drugs, and while you might find they provide some sense of focus and calm, I have serious doubts that you could take a moderate dose (say, 30-40mg) at 6PM, and find yourself able to fall asleep with ease. Again, regardless of your condition, these are stimulants, and they will increase anyone's heart-rate, blood pressure, etc. I assume there might be some exceptions here and there, but again, your ability to sleep after only 5mg of dextro isnt really saying much.-DG

 

[nods]

OK 5mg IS a small dose, and i was only scripted 20mgs for 1 month till my GP freaked out and changed back to Ritalin, still after 5 years scripted up to 80mg in 4 doses which only last a couple hours i have no probs sleeping, even when i take 20mg up to 8x daily which is what i really need.

Maybe you are taking too high a dose or taking it too late?

 

[Z Y G G Y]

have u tried trazadone as a sleep aid after adderall use. It's not habit forming.

Also try decreasing the dosage and see if that helps. Maybe to even 10mg or similar.

 

[theantiadult]

benzos can help reduce negative effects of stims.people r overly paranoid about addiction and y do so few think theyll get addicted2 the powerful amphetamine adderall az opposed2 a pretty mild dose of a benzo.

 

[daddysgone]

benzos can help reduce negative effects of stims.people r overly paranoid about addiction and y do so few think theyll get addicted2 the powerful amphetamine adderall az opposed2 a pretty mild dose of a benzo.

Not to be a jerk, but in response to your question, "y do so few think theyll get addicted2 the powerful amphetamine adderall az opposed2 a pretty mild dose of a benzo",

The answer is-because benzos are extremely physically addictive, while stimulants (especially when used at the prescribed, therapeutic doses), are basically not physically addictive, though there can be some difficult psychological dependence.

Think of it this way. If someone were to take xanax at 1mg, 3 times a day, for 6 months, and then abruptly stop taking it, they would experience profound physical withdrawal. And with benzos, the withdrawal can actually be very physically dangerous, complete with risk of seizures.
Now consider something like adderall. If someone were to be prescribed some sort of equivalent dose of adderall as compared to my benzo example, they could simply go cold turkey after the 6 months, and not experience true physical withdrawal symptoms, and CERTAINLY nothing on the scale of what they would experience with the benzo withdrawal.
Sure, there will likely be some lethargy, lack of motivation, excessive sleepiness, but it would literally be imcomparable to the hellish withdrawal that the person with the benzo dependence would experience.

Hope that helps-DG

 

[theworks]

I know how you feel but you gotta space that shit out and give yourself a day of rest. I wouldn't go more than 4 days with no sleep. Rereading your post you seem to be speeding up and using benzos to help ease the pain and sleep. I would say it's better to stay up for extended periods then sleep for a long time and repeat instead of constantly going up and down on different drugs. Either way you are screwing with your body and it isn't healthy. You will end up spun out at some point and may have a breakdown if you're not careful. When I did stuff like that I would force myself to eat two meals a day and snacks. It's just something you have to tell yourself to do like it's part of your assignment, even if you don't feel like it force it, that is the most important thing to get you through those stretches.

Woah...yeah I never even pulled a single all nighter from that. I've just been on both of those chems for years, I have prescriptions for both. I also never said anything about not eating all day...I would never do that. I still eat 3-4 times a day when I'm taking even that much addy; however the training that I do for sports requires me to eat at least 5000-6000 calories a day, basically eating every moment I'm not training and whilest on addy I simply can't eat that much. I generally drop down to 2000-3000 cals a day during that time. I stay extremely healthy, take supps and various vitamins the whole time like I said even when I'm taking the high doses of addy I still sleep a bare minimum of 6 hours per night. My body is just weird though. The Benzos just help level me out, they do not put me to sleep, the tylenol PM does. But yeah, even when I was a huge coke head doing a minimum of 2g a day for a couple years, I still slept 6-8 hours a night. I think in my entire life I've pulled 2 all-nighters and both had nothing to do with drugs. Besides beautiful women, there is nothing in the world that would make me want to stay up all night, or even worse multiple nights, forget that. That's part of the reason I NEVER want to try meth...sleep is way to important for me. Oh, and when I use addy I always stop 4 hours or so before i want to sleep...I'm never out of control and I handle the comedowns quite well, like I said I've been on both these drugs for the past 4-5 years.

 

[Drench]

I also experienced fucked up vision, although I was on high dose pregabalin, lots of benzo's and 80mg ritalin with beer and weed added for good measure

I had to close an eye to see in any kind of proper way and the pc screen and my vision went blank/black a few times. I was also experiencing hallucinations, hearing people who weren't there and I was moving things around randomly. I think I ended my night with a benzo blackout possibly? I took 10mg Valium, 1mg Etizolam and 60mg Temazepam when I got home. I fell over in my room apparantly and I kinda remember feeling like I was going to spasm. Drugs are bad mkay

 

[niabun]

I'm prescribed 2x30mg amphetamines and 1mg ativans, which I've been taking almost daily for 2 years.

Certainly I've noticed bouts of depression here and there, especially after some serious nights with the two, but I've never felt overwhelmingly bad mentally or physically. Sure, staying up for more than one night at a time can cause some horrible aches and pains, it's nothing a good night's sleep can't fix.

Like another user mentioned before, if you are responsible with your regimen, and you and your doctor are comfortable with your dose you SHOULD be fine. Emphasis on "should" because everybody is different and you can never really put all your eggs in one basket when it comes to your life.

I make sure to eat at LEAST two full meals a day, and to drink plenty of water -- regardless of how unappealing food can be on adderall. I generally take the ativans to balance out the adderall. If I feel a little anxious or sped up, the ativan helps -- and certainly if I'm going to bed, or trying to nurse an achy body an ativan does the trick.

After about 1 1/2 years of this regimen, I stopped taking both cold turkey. I moved away and never really got around to another doctor in my new area. Laziness was really my only factor for stopping, which may have been a side effect of not having the adderall. 6 months went by and, I never really felt any extraordinary withdrawls aside from the occasional "I could really use an adderall right now" instance after a late night or pulling a double-shift at work.

Keep in mind, I may be an exception to the rule and more often than not, people will have worse tales to tell of similar combinations. Just remember to be responsible and healthy if you must do these drugs. Treat your body well and it will return the favor. I know my love for these two drugs will keep me coming back for quite a while, which makes me apprehensive. Just be well and never let the drug make a decision for you. Perhaps try to quit for a few months and see how it affects you. Make sure you are BETTER than well-informed on your own personalized response to this combination and how it affects you both on and off the drug. I've had a little over two years of daily use to figure out almost every facet of my response to these things and I feel like I've arrived at a very responsible and smart approach to taking them. Find one that suits you, and if you can't, maybe these drugs aren't for you.

 

[ebola?]

While it has been fairly accepted that for those that truly have ADD/ADHD, stimulants actually calm them and make them focus; in fact some docs use this as a tool to help diagnose ADD. They will prescribe some stimulant med, and if the patient reports he felt more relaxed and focused, as opposed to amped up, it is generally regarded as a good indicator that this person indeed has ADD/ADHD.

And this notion lacks validity (that's what you explained, right?). At similar doses, most 'with' AD(H)D respond similarly to 'normal' people, and a minority of normal people have that funny paradoxical reaction.

ebola

 

[ebola?]

to op:

perhaps obviously, regular, frequent or semi-frequent dosing like you describe cannot work in the long term.

 

[FloridaHighs]

1. The inability to sleep, and emotional crash after taking a amphetamine are caused by either, stress, muscle tension, unbalanced dopamine levels, unbalanced tyrosine levels, or lack of sleep (for emotional).
2. I take 56mg methylphenidate HCl ER (Concerta) every morning, and a 10mg generic Ritalin IR if i need it.
3. The solution to this problem is usually an antihistamine. See the histamine receptors in the brain are responsible for the release of dopamine induced by amphetamine, and dopamine is the main reason why you cant sleep. An antihistamine will also block certain acetylcholine receptors, increasing your chances of going asleep. I use benadryl 25mg's

 

[daddysgone]

1. The inability to sleep, and emotional crash after taking a amphetamine are caused by either, stress, muscle tension, unbalanced dopamine levels, unbalanced tyrosine levels, or lack of sleep (for emotional).
2. I take 56mg methylphenidate HCl ER (Concerta) every morning, and a 10mg generic Ritalin IR if i need it.
3. The solution to this problem is usually an antihistamine. See the histamine receptors in the brain are responsible for the release of dopamine induced by amphetamine, and dopamine is the main reason why you cant sleep. An antihistamine will also block certain acetylcholine receptors, increasing your chances of going asleep. I use benadryl 25mg's

Interesting.
When you say, "histamine receptors in the brain are responsible for the release of dopamine induced by amphetamine, and dopamine is the main reason why you cant sleep".....are you sure this is correct?

I was not aware that histamine receptors are responsible for the release of dopamine, in fact, this is the first I've heard it.

Also, you state that dopamine is the main reason why it is difficult to sleep when taking amphetamine. Clearly dopamine plays a large role, but what about norepinephrine. Amphetamines cause a dramatic increase in NE levels and NE certainly makes sleep difficult. So even if the antihistamine reduced the dopamine levels, Im assuming you would still be left with increased NE levels.-DG

 

[nods]

"While it has been fairly accepted that for those that truly have ADD/ADHD, stimulants actually calm them and make them focus; in fact some docs use this as a tool to help diagnose ADD. They will prescribe some stimulant med, and if the patient reports he felt more relaxed and focused, as opposed to amped up, it is generally regarded as a good indicator that this person indeed has ADD/ADHD."

The problem with, say D-amp is that a dose of around, 5-15mg will reduce fatigue, increase mood and concentration/alertness in nearly ANYONE. ADD/HD or not.

 

[Diacetyl_Morphine]

I used to take 60mgs of Adderall, or 30-45mg d-amphetamine three times a day as well as 2mgs kpin, and 1mg alprazolam three times a day. I do have ADD, but my panic and GAD outweigh the ADD substantially. The only way I could take the amps after about 13 years on stimulant meds, was with the benzos. I don't take amps anymore, primarily because of insurance reasons, but since getting off methadone my anxiety has skyrocketed, and I'm not sure I could handle amps daily anymore. I never got paranoid, or any particularly bad side effects, besides dry mouth, although that was really irritating.

 

[Sweet P]

It would be great if those who respond to this thread could answer:
1-What stimulant you take daily (or semi-daily) and what dose you take

I used to use methamphetamine daily, but now I'm trying to quit. My dose varied... at my peak I was smoking/IV'ing 4 grams a day, but my average dose over the past two years has been one gram a day (give or take).

2-What benzo and what dose you take.

I'm prescribed 6mg's of clonazepam and 20mg's of diazepam a day.

3-Do you essentially find it necessary to take a benzo during/after taking a stim, or are you somehow able to deal with the crash and inability to sleep without using a benzo.

Benzos don't really help with the crash/comedown, unless I exceed my prescribed dose, which I'm no longer able to do (I'm now dispensed them weekly, so I can't abuse them). Instead, I use an anti-psychotic - quetiapine (Seroquel) to help with the comedown. It works well for me.

4-Lastly, do you find any negatives from using this drug regimen (stimulant during the day/early night, and then benzos to bring you down at the end of the night).

Not really. I've become tolerant to the dose of benzos that I'm taking, so they don't have much of an effect on the stimulants. But the meth itself has had devestating effects on my health and my life.

 

[FloridaHighs]

Interesting.
When you say, "histamine receptors in the brain are responsible for the release of dopamine induced by amphetamine, and dopamine is the main reason why you cant sleep".....are you sure this is correct?

I was not aware that histamine receptors are responsible for the release of dopamine, in fact, this is the first I've heard it.

Also, you state that dopamine is the main reason why it is difficult to sleep when taking amphetamine. Clearly dopamine plays a large role, but what about norepinephrine. Amphetamines cause a dramatic increase in NE levels and NE certainly makes sleep difficult. So even if the antihistamine reduced the dopamine levels, Im assuming you would still be left with increased NE levels.-DG

From Wikipedia: H3 receptor has also been shown to presynaptically inhibit the release of a number of other neurotransmitters (i.e. it acts as an inhibitory heteroreceptor) including, but probably not limited to dopamine, GABA, acetylcholine, noradrenaline, and serotonin.