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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

Someones touchy ?

if mephedrone floats your boat then fine, i was just saying i didn't like it.

Even after just one use the comedown for me is nasty GI issues and massive lack of energy.

The freezing hand/feet in bed was the icing on the cake that made me decide to flush the rest.
 
lol, not touchy - just interested that's all.

As I said, I've only ever tried it once and don't see myself doing it more than once or twice more. I'm not that into it, but then I'm also not that against it when compared to other things.

It's just something that is really noticeable with meph, people get more self-righteously against it than basically any other substance I've seen or heard of. Everyone going on about how cardiotoxic it might be like it's some revelation that quite a few drugs are bad for you...most of them puffing away on cigs whilst typing.

The 'I told you so' bandwagon is going to be unbearable on this one...
 
It's metabolites are comparable to ephedrine from what I've heard. If so then I wouldnt be too worried from using a gram a week. Many people use ephedrine and I don't see them dropping like flies. some input from F+B would be welcomed...
 
sundayraver said:
It's metabolites are comparable to ephedrine from what I've heard. If so then I wouldnt be too worried from using a gram a week. Many people use ephedrine and I don't see them dropping like flies. some input from F+B would be welcomed...
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There's stacks of stuff all over BL. I think we all know that even half a line of meph causes your heart to start eating itself, your sexual organs to sieze up, your nose to turn blue and the cartilidge in your knees turn to strawberry icecream. ;)

And the comedown gets so bad after 3.876 times using it some people have been known to eat their toes.

I'm sticking to drinking Drano...far safer......8)
 
Jenkem is the way forward! It keeps your body pure unlike this meow meow stuff 8)

I'm caving in and having a bit of meph on friday, its been too long :)
 
sundayraver said:
It's metabolites are comparable to ephedrine from what I've heard. If so then I wouldnt be too worried from using a gram a week. Many people use ephedrine and I don't see them dropping like flies. some input from F+B would be welcomed...
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The metabolitew uisn't ephedrine, but 4 methyl ephedrine (& 4-methyl norephedrine) - a nastier compound altogether
 
InternetMuse said:
Well time has already told about Heroin and Cocaine and the amount of people dying on them - so go and harrass them ;)
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heroin and cocaine users seem quite aware of the dangers of their DOCs and don't act like somoene is insulting them personally unlike a regular meph user whenever somebody says that pwecious mephy might be bad for them:(. Never seen a drug crowd so in denial and self righteous as the mephedrone fanboys.
 
Evad said:
Never seen a drug crowd so in denial and self righteous as the mephedrone fanboys.
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So basically, meph causes self-righteousness just by its very existence! Love it or hate it, everyone's getting a good ego trip from it =D

And it seems like most regular users aren't that deluded - at least not here - they all seem to be well aware of the choices they are making. But then, that's probably because everybody else has made them aware of it.

My main point is that there are a lot of people who jump on those who like meph, many of whom have stated they have never and will never take it themselves. I just think it's a little wee bit hypocritical that's all. Just a wee bit, I'm not all that fussed about it.

I'm really fascinated to see where this all goes once real research studies are done on this unknown substance. I'm personally more interested in the phenomenon than the drug itself to be honest.
 
fastandbulbous said:
...but 4 methyl ephedrine (& 4-methyl norephedrine) - a nastier compound altogether
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If f&b says it's a nasty compound that's all I need to hear.

I'd rather be self preservation than self righteous. Evad has a point when he says heroin and cocaine users are aware of the risks before they start. A lot of meph users aren't and by the time they find out it's bad they don't want to give it up. If I were a few decades younger I'd be in that catagory without doubt. Health was very low on my list of priorites in those days.

I also worry about the kids out there taking it thinking it's a relatively safe drug like mdma when clearly it is not. I know my kids won't touch heroin or crack cocaine but if it weren't for me telling her the risks, my daughter would be taking meph.
 
I'm not at all denying the possible dangers, don't get me wrong. I'm also not denying the truly addictive nature of this compound. Long term, insanely abusive use of this drug seems to be widespread and people do need to know that.

But this message can be conveyed with a bit less attitude is all I'm saying. Particularly in the context we have right here, which is different to anywhere else by a long shot.

I'm glad to hear you warned your daughter about it. I wouldn't want my kids doing it more than once or twice (if I had any).

But to act like it is the boogeyman I just feel is counterproductive to harm reduction, because such an attitude makes people stop listening to the warnings.

Seriously, all that comes across for the most part now is 'meph is bad mmm'kay'. ;)
 
Evad said:
heroin and cocaine users seem quite aware of the dangers of their DOCs and don't act like somoene is insulting them personally unlike a regular meph user whenever somebody says that pwecious mephy might be bad for them:(. Never seen a drug crowd so in denial and self righteous as the mephedrone fanboys.
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Then you missed the early days of MDMA? It makes me laugh to see people on here using the safeness (non-neurotoxic presumably) of 'ecstasy' against the dangers of meph. The dangers may, or may not, be more real with meph but the anti-drug phenomenon (and the pro-meph lobby too) is the same as in 1990 with ecstasy. And the reason for that is that people want to get high and meph gets them high. Just like the 'non-neurotoxic' ecstasy did.

Heroin and crack users aren't allowed to get self-righteous. Their drug has already been demonized to the extent where its just best to take it and crawl under a stone without causing any fuss. All the militant (and self-righteous) anti-mephness will, in time, have the same effect on meph users.

StoneHappyMonday said:
Ok, I'm going to shout at this. Since when did banning any substance ever make things better?

I'm pissed off with all these people saying "the meph phenomenon has proved legalization won't work"

Like fucking how has it? If methylated spirits was the only 'alcohol' available legally and was being sold at tuppence a bottle would you all say (the inevitable consequences of that) would be grounds for keeping all alcohol illegal?

The problem isn't meph. The problem is people want to get high, always have. Now they can do it legally, for tuppence, but only with one drug (at that price).

The problem is prohibition. The meph experience is an argument for the legalization of drugs - to get us out of this meph we're now in.
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I'm not saying anything should be banned or even that people shouldn't take mephedrone though, I am pro legalisation, with legalisation in action the regulations on mephedrone would be more tightly controlled and people would be able to run proper trials on the substance and educate them on the risks. This isn't government propaganda that I'm listening to, it's the concern of very clever chemistry/pharmacology types who are generally pro drug and pro legalisation. Why has no other substance caused this much concern? Why is nobody talking about the dangers of methylone or butylone? There is so much more knowledge on the actions of drugs now I don't think the MDMA comparison is such a good one. People weren't using 10 grams of MDMA a week and thinking it was 100% safe in 1990 were they?

sundayraver said:
SHIT... I just read that smoking kills. This is shocking news...... I need a line :o
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smokers know and fully admit the dangers of smoking though.
 
MDMA had also been in limited recreational use since the 1970s
 
^ I fully admit mephedrone abuse has the potential to cause serious harm. However I choose to use mephedrone in (IMO) moderation. Okay maybe a little more than moderation lol

Evad - there was this ammount of concern when MDMA started doing the rounds in the 80's. Lets just hope all the concerns with mephedrone are just hype, for mine and thousands of others sake
 
sundayraver said:
^ I fully admit mephedrone abuse has the potential to cause serious harm. However I choose to use mephedrone in (IMO) moderation. Okay maybe a little more than moderation lol
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Well there is no problem with your use at all in my eyes, it's just people who swear blind that it's safe and defend it like it was their mam.
Read the fuckled forum if you get a chance for an example of these people, it's pretty sickening.
 
this stuff has seriously bad effects on my heart, i did a small amount on saturday night. didnt get a massively noticeable heart rate increase, or a thumping heart, but since monday if i try and work out i end up feeling weak and tired, and my heart hammers away for awhile. weird. this stuff is burning me out. plan on quitting after christmas anyway, fuck this
 
@ColtDan

Can I ask how much is a 'small amount'? Also, how often/much do you use it on average and for how long have you been doing so? Do you regularly use anything else?

I think any personal anecdotes about effects should always be matched with this kind of information so that we can get a clearer picture.
 
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