ok, heres my pct

bighooter

bighooter

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I finally have the money to afford a PCT and things are looking up as I now have 2 more bottles of deca which means I can stay on my course for 12 weeks as intended.

HCG - 5000iu.

Nolvadex - 30 x 10mg tablets.


Someone please tell me I have finally got something right? I feel quite optimistic about my cycle now:)
 
i think u need more nolv...and i told you i would go with clomid.

cant go wrong with both
 
''This may also explain the reason individuals often find post-deca recovery more difficult, as the progesterone presence is untouched by the Clomid. We know that Clomid and Nolvadex (being very similar chemically) are both ineffective with regard to reducing progesterone related gyno, so it is reasonable to assume that Clomid has little effect against progesterone levels.''

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

so basically what it's saying is that Clomid and Nolvadex do not work on deca pct, because they have little effect against progesterone levels?
 
Progesterone gyno is caused by a combination of progesterone and estrogen. It is widely accepted that if you have low estrogen levels progesterone gyno can be kept at bay. Progesterone levels usually take slightly longer than estrogen levels to return to normal.

Running Clomid/Nolva will reduce estrogen levels and promote increases in LH (and therefore test levels). In this kind of environment gyno will not develop. If after running a decent PCT gyno starts to develop a week or so after stopping the SERMs then your progesterone levels are still too high. In this case you can start back up on a SERM (although an AI is probably preferable for this situation) and then look into various ways of reducing progesterone (like bromo or something).
 
I would run both clomid and nolvadex..I love clomid...Nolvadex has more ability to bind to breat tissue but clomid is more efficient at kickstarting natural production again...

if you're not prone to gyno dont even worry.
 
PARooolller said:
I would run both clomid and nolvadex..I love clomid...Nolvadex has more ability to bind to breat tissue but clomid is more efficient at kickstarting natural production again...

if you're not prone to gyno dont even worry.
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Clomid acts as an estrogen at the pituitary and an anti-e at the hypo, while nolva acts as an anti-estrogen at both sites.
 
bighooter said:
''This may also explain the reason individuals often find post-deca recovery more difficult, as the progesterone presence is untouched by the Clomid. We know that Clomid and Nolvadex (being very similar chemically) are both ineffective with regard to reducing progesterone related gyno, so it is reasonable to assume that Clomid has little effect against progesterone levels.''

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.aspx

so basically what it's saying is that Clomid and Nolvadex do not work on deca pct, because they have little effect against progesterone levels?
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Progesterone levels would decrease as test and estrogen levels decrease. Thus, this theory doesn't hold water. Recovery from nandrolone decanoate is more difficult due to the long half life and it's ability to bind to all three receptors (androgen, estrogen, progesterone).
 
bighooter said:
I finally have the money to afford a PCT and things are looking up as I now have 2 more bottles of deca which means I can stay on my course for 12 weeks as intended.

HCG - 5000iu.

Nolvadex - 30 x 10mg tablets.


Someone please tell me I have finally got something right? I feel quite optimistic about my cycle now:)
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Bump up the nolva to 20mgs ED for at least 4 weeks and that's AFTER you cease the use of hcg. How do you plan to run your hcg post-cycle?
 
Ya need more. 5000iu is not enough for a 12 week cycle. You also don't have enough nolva. I would run this.

Proviron 50mg ED 1-14
HCG about 600-800iu a week (2X a week)
Nolva 10mg ED **in case of gyno** use it only if gyno starts, if no signs appear, save it for your PCT.

PCT: Nolva and Clomid (be sure to taper your nolva dose down towards the end to avoid gyno rebound)


You said you now have more deca. However you plan your cycle, be sure to cut the deca two weeks before you cut your last shot of test. Deca lingers for a long time. Last note, see if you can get your hands on some adex. Now that stuff works great, it's just a bit expensive. Good luck.

/V
 
PARooolller said:
hcg post cycle is pointless
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Not if setup as such:

weeks 1-10: deca
weeks 11-13: hcg

Reason being: weeks 11-13, he is still on cycle due to the long half life of deca. I simply used a poor choice of words, dumbed down since the poster is obviously inexperienced.
 
just personally I feel clomid makes me kinda weird in the head - I've always pref running HCG through the cycle and then use nolva, and now I'm going to use SARMs while I come off aswell, great stuff for bridging for sure! Best luck bro.
 
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