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The 3-FMC/4-FMC (Flephedrone) Megathread

kougi said:
Really? Wow, I did loads of searching but had no luck, what sort of price does it go for compared to Charge+?
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I've never used charge+ but the price was around 20 euro for one gram not including shipping. Websites could be scams (I haven't investigated fully yet) but I think it unlikely as the products sold are legal for the time being and payment by credit card is an option.
 
Tryptamite said:
I've never used charge+ but the price was around 20 euro for one gram not including shipping. Websites could be scams (I haven't investigated fully yet) but I think it unlikely as the products sold are legal for the time being and payment by credit card is an option.
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You've just given me some hope of being able to get cheap fleph, I'm going to do some searching now.

I take it a gram of fleph would last longer than a gram of charge, due to being more potent?
 
kougi said:
RAlso, I've heard that Charge+ contains a slight variation of Flephedrone, such as rather than being 4-fmc it's 3-fmc? Would that make a large difference?
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yes, that are two different compounds, not "slight variations".

Tryptamite said:
I've seen a few vendors selling flephedrone in smaller amounts recently. I'm thinking of getting a gram to try it since it seems to be safer than mephedrone.
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to me it feels far more toxic. I still have heart problems today after trying a small amound of flephedrone last friday. and the "high" wasn't even worthwhile, just unpleasant stimulation without any euphoria.
 
The Kid said:
Charge is 3-fmc.

Were you buying on-line or from a shop? Have you tried Toot or the other fleph products?
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So, is there a big difference between this 3-fmc and flephedrone?
I hope I can come across some fleph soon :)
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
yes, that are two different compounds, not "slight variations".


to me it feels far more toxic. I still have heart problems today after trying a small amound of flephedrone last friday. and the "high" wasn't even worthwhile, just unpleasant stimulation without any euphoria.
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Ah, I'm not going to bother with 4-FMC then, my favourite part of Charge+ was how untoxic and natural it felt, I don't want an over pronounced drug.

Considering charge's popularity, I really do hope that online vendors start selling 3-FMC, I reckon it'll exceed the popularity of mephedrone.
 
kougi said:
Ah, I'm not going to bother with 4-FMC then, my favourite part of Charge+ was how untoxic and natural it felt, I don't want an over pronounced drug.

Considering charge's popularity, I really do hope that online vendors start selling 3-FMC, I reckon it'll exceed the popularity of mephedrone.
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So, what's the complete name of this 3-FMC that looks more promising than flephedrone?!
And yeah, I hope vendors start stocking it. I'm not buying it under another name under no conditions. No way.
 
I've done a fair amount of Charge over the last 6 or 7 months, and I don't agree about it "not being toxic" and "natural". I think it feels fairly toxic and very synthetic. I still love the stuff though! :)
 
I guess that it depends on individual bodies, I personally never once had a negative side effect or any sort of discomfort, I didn't even have palpitations like stimulants tend to give.

I also find it feels so natural that I don't even feel like I'm on a drug, you can easily forget that you are, as you only have a more optimistic view of life and feel completely awake.

It's the sort of thing that would make a perfect anti-depressant, it's more effective than my SSRI has ever been, the sort of thing I could take every day if I had the supply.

I know it sounds odd to say this, but it influenced my life in a very positive way, I got closer to pretty much everyone I know, and gave me the motivation to solve a few problems. :)

Stimulants such as street speed feel very toxic to me, gives me insane palpitations, insomnia and constant head rushes, charge had none of that.
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
please keep the charge/3-FMC discussion where it belongs (which means definitely not here, since there is already too much confusion about 3-FMC/4-FMC anyways).


3-fluoro-methcathinone.
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Thanks for the info.
There is a thread about 3-FMC:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=458536

And yes, It's really confusing. I wish vendors did not do these things:

-Spiking herbs with JWH compounds

-Spiking Kratom with O-dmtramadol

-Selling cathinones with other names or mixed with other stuff...
 
Tryptamite said:
I've seen a few vendors selling flephedrone in smaller amounts recently. I'm thinking of getting a gram to try it since it seems to be safer than mephedrone.
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I just found a source for pure flephedrone on Monday!

I'm good friends with the owner of a local headshop & while doing some meph with a mate on Monday evening I rang my friend to enquire about the possibilty of getting some uncut charge (3-FMC) cos I know they buy the active in bulk & cut, baggy & label it themselves.

Anyway, long story short, being a good friend he told me the truth with regards to the Blow, Charge+ etc. they sell.
Basically, he buys flephedrone (4-FMC) in bulk, cuts it 60:40 (fleph:inactive cut), make up 1 gram bags & just put different labels on all the bags!

In other words the Blow he sells isn't cut meph & the Charge+ he sells isn't cut 3-FMC. Both products are cut flephedrone (4-FMC)!
Its bad form doing this IMO but he's a money-hungry man & to him doing this was just a money-saver.
He just said people happily pay €35 a gram for each product & he has had no complaints so he continues to do it.

Anyway, after explaining to him what SHOULD be in each product, I kindly asked if he would sort me out with some uncut fleph.
He agreed & said he would give me 4 or 5 grams of pure for free! :)

So happy daze all round. I'll finally get to try fleph without having to pay €35 a gram for a cut rip-off product. :)

I was only talking to him on the fone so when I talk to him in person I'll find out more details (price, supplier etc.) about his pure fleph. Will report back. :)
 
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wait, you mean it's all flephedrone and 3-fmc is just a made up name and does not even existe?!?!?!?!?! WTF!!!!:!
 
^ Ofcourse 3-FMC exists!

You must have misunderstood my post.

I said that my local headshop owner (a good friend) buys 4-FMC in bulk, then cuts, bags & puts both Blow labels & Charge+ labels on ALL the 1gram bags of his cut 4-FMC !

What he's doing is wrong but he doesn't seem to care. Its sells well & he makes big profit.

I explained to him that Blow should contain 4-MMC & that Charge+ should contain 3-FMC.
But he's not bothered. He only cares about profit & that his products work.

I'm not certain yet but I assume he's buying bulk 4-FMC cos he can get it cheaper than bulk 4-MMC or bulk 3-FMC.

He's a nice guy tho. He even tells his employees to cut the fleph 60:40 where as most headshops that cut & bag their own bulk cut it 50:50.
 
He's a nice guy tho. He even tells his employees to cut the fleph 60:40 where as most headshops that cut & bag their own bulk cut it 50:50.
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Nice guy? What a crock of shit! You mean he's 10% less corrupt than the other fuckers? Guys like that make me sick. They use black market ways (telling lies about the product, cutting it, etc.) Isn't the black market what we are trying to avoid by buying RCs?!?!?!?
 
moniorojo said:
Nice guy? What a crock of shit! You mean he's 10% less corrupt than the other fuckers? Guys like that make me sick. They use black market ways (telling lies about the product, cutting it, etc.) Isn't the black market what we are trying to avoid by buying RCs?!?!?!?
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I agree.
 
^ Blow & Charge are cut not matter what headshop you buy it from.

His headshop is the same as the majority, most of which don't sell pure meph/fleph/3-FMC under the brand names Blow, Charge+ etc.

People don't buy Blow or Charge+ expecting it to be pure. If people want to save alot of money & buy pure, they can just get it from an online vendor.

As I said above, I strongly disapprove with the way he does not put the correct active chemical in their appropriate brand name labelled bags. Its bad form & I told him I strongly disapprove of him doing this.
For a headshop owner he's not very well educated on the psychoactives he sells. He's just a business man who took advantage a gap in the market.
I often use my knowledge of psychoactives to make him understand exactly what he's selling in each product. I feel obliged to do this. He needs to know exactly what he's selling as should headshop owners.
Because he's not very well-informed about certain products he sells, he's not very articulate when it comes to chemicals that have effects of a similar nature.
Once his product is decent quality & not dangerous he's happy. When the same people keep coming back week after week to buy more he doesn't see that he is doing anything wrong.

True, it is false advertisment but the people that buy his products regularly don't know any different & repeatidly buy more because they like the way it makes them feel.
I don't agree with what he is doing at all, but it doesn't make him a bad person. Careless & lazy perhaps but not a bad person.
He is well aware that people who know the difference between meph & fleph & 3-FMC will just buy it online for a fraction of the cost. He's just giving his customers what they want. He is however deceiving customers who buy Blow expecting it to be meph.
As I've said already, its bad form & there are no excuses for it. He's just a business-minded man who is not very well educated on the products he sells. He learns alot from what I tell him tho.

He doesn't lie to his customers either, telling them someting is meph when it's fleph. His employees do all the explaining about products to customers & they openly admit that their Blow & Charge are the same thing.

This has turned into a god damn peevee essay. All I wanted to say is that he's not a bad person. Just a bit clueless.
 
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What do you mean he packs his own blow and charge? Surely these come pre-packed from the companies that make them? I assumed they were registered or trademarked or something.
 
^ they print their own labels!

buy fleph in bulk... cut it 60:40... make up 1g baggys.... staple the printed label to the baggy!

So basically they're not Blow & Charge at all. Just a homemade mix of 60% pure flephedrone & 40% inactive cut.

They will give you a 1 gram bag of 100% pure fleph if you know them or even if you just ask nicely!

Are you hinting at something there Tryp?! lol.
Man, i missed you at Orbital. Was talkin to bogman for a while & then he just wandered off to find uz. I rang him shortly after to see bout meetin up with yez but neither of us had the ability to communicate very well at that stage. =D
 
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when it dis shit gonna start getting sold on a commercial level then? not just wierd obscure places in china you have to look hard for or whatever.
 
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