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hippy flip(with SSRI?) advice

Choronzon333

Choronzon333

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I want to hippy flip for the first time in the next couple of days. I have had quite a few experiences with xtc(MDMA and other chemicals) and molli as well as shrooms. I would most likely be doing it with Mali and some cubes. I have heard of a number of ways to combine the two as far as time tables go but I just wanted some advice on what you guys think. Also as far as dosages, I can dose up to a quad(7g) of shrooms. I know like 150mg of mdma is a fair dose on its own without being really strong, would that be good for a hippy flip?

I was thinking doing an 8th(3.5) of shrooms and 150 mg molli or something? Is this a good amount? I thought about 7g but I have only taken that much shrooms once and it was somewhat disturbing bc I happened to be on amphetamines(lisdexamphetamine) and it was too overstimulating and crazy. Would the mdma make the 7g more managable though? The 7g experience had insane closed eye visuals and trip outside of time but their was always a frightening tension. Also is it best to take the molli at the same time as shrooms, like an hour or too later or to take the molli first?

One more thing. This is important and the whole experience depends on it. Ok so I am a small daily dose SSRI. I have read the threads about MDMA and SSRI but am still confused as to whether the combo actually can work. I have been taking said SSRI for about a year. Since then I have not taken MDMA much simply because I decided to make it an infrequent pleasure just by coincidence a little before I started SSRI. ANyway I have rolled have taken mdma as either molli or xtc pills like 3-4 diffent occasions since I started ssri. Once I rolled a bit considering I took a med dosage and it felt the same as my last role before the SSRI. However, the other three times I felt almost nothing accept for a weird stimulation and a bit of depersonalization and strange sense of time almost like milder version of other more psychedelic substances. Now I know it is not the pills bc it happened with 125mg(most I could get) of molli as well.

So I am wondering what the consensus is about MDMA and SSRI. I have heard a number of things from a number of people. One of my GF's long ago was on SSRI's as well and she said it didn't make any difference to her whether she was on them or not. She could still roll. Also, a friend who was on them was rolling with me one of the times I didn't feel anything.

So can a hippy flip work for me or is it just a waste of money and will make me feel weird. If I need to stop the SSRI, how long would I need too. THat is the other main concern. I really don't need the SSRI. In fact I have stopped for up to a week at a time just because me and my doctor were considering whether I even needed it anymore without negative psych effects, just a little more edgy. I mean not in a bad way, just not as chill and quite as easy going. So I haven't taken for like 2 days. If I wait two more is that enough to allow the mdma to work or is it pointless. I'm not looking to quit all together right now.

Lastly, I talked to another friend who takes SSRI a while ago and they would stop taking for a few days before role and said it brought out full experience. Is any of this true. That was why I have stopped for a few days? WHat are everyone's thoughts on this. I really wanna try a hippy flip but don't want to mess it up if it won't work for me.
 
Choronzon333 said:
I want to hippy flip for the first time in the next couple of days. I have had quite a few experiences with xtc(MDMA and other chemicals) and molli as well as shrooms. I would most likely be doing it with Mali and some cubes. I have heard of a number of ways to combine the two as far as time tables go but I just wanted some advice on what you guys think. Also as far as dosages, I can dose up to a quad(7g) of shrooms. I know like 150mg of mdma is a fair dose on its own without being really strong, would that be good for a hippy flip?

I was thinking doing an 8th(3.5) of shrooms and 150 mg molli or something? Is this a good amount? I thought about 7g but I have only taken that much shrooms once and it was somewhat disturbing bc I happened to be on amphetamines(lisdexamphetamine) and it was too overstimulating and crazy. Would the mdma make the 7g more managable though? The 7g experience had insane closed eye visuals and trip outside of time but their was always a frightening tension. Also is it best to take the molli at the same time as shrooms, like an hour or too later or to take the molli first?
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They will potenitate each other. Meaning that a lower dose of each is required for strong effects. Like the 3.5g of mushrooms might feel like 5 and 150mg of MDMA might feel like 200.

Personally I'd keep the MDMA dosage lower. 3.5g of mushrooms would be lots for a full blow trip in combo with MDMA. You might want to consider dropping your MDMA dosage down to 120 or lower though. You don't want the excess stimulant effects to mess with your trip.

As for timing; most say take the mushrooms first and that'd what I'd recommend. Maybe take the MDMA and hour after the mushrooms. Part of this is so the MDMA doesn't come down while your tripping.

I really don't need the SSRI.
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In that case I'd say get off the junk. SSRI's aren't good for you, they're a weird thing.

So I haven't taken for like 2 days. If I wait two more is that enough to allow the mdma to work or is it pointless. I'm not looking to quit all together right now.

Lastly, I talked to another friend who takes SSRI a while ago and they would stop taking for a few days before role and said it brought out full experience. Is any of this true. That was why I have stopped for a few days? WHat are everyone's thoughts on this. I really wanna try a hippy flip but don't want to mess it up if it won't work for me.
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Depends of the half-life of your SSRI but many say it takes a longer time for your receptors to get back to regular function. In which case that would be a bad time to take MDMA. Stopping an SSRI just to be able to feel MDMA is a bad idea. You need to give your brain time to normalize.

Most say 2 weeks works. I have no personal experience; just what I read.

Quitting the SSRI's would be a good idea for whenever you feel up to it.

Here's out Big & Dandy Mushrooms and MDMA (Hippyflipping) thread for more info on the topic
 
PepperSocks said:
They will potenitate each other. Meaning that a lower dose of each is required for strong effects. Like the 3.5g of mushrooms might feel like 5 and 150mg of MDMA might feel like 200.

Personally I'd keep the MDMA dosage lower. 3.5g of mushrooms would be lots for a full blow trip in combo with MDMA. You might want to consider dropping your MDMA dosage down to 120 or lower though. You don't want the excess stimulant effects to mess with your trip.

As for timing; most say take the mushrooms first and that'd what I'd recommend. Maybe take the MDMA and hour after the mushrooms. Part of this is so the MDMA doesn't come down while your tripping.



In that case I'd say get off the junk. SSRI's aren't good for you, they're a weird thing.



Depends of the half-life of your SSRI but many say it takes a longer time for your receptors to get back to regular function. In which case that would be a bad time to take MDMA. Stopping an SSRI just to be able to feel MDMA is a bad idea. You need to give your brain time to normalize.

Most say 2 weeks works. I have no personal experience; just what I read.

Quitting the SSRI's would be a good idea for whenever you feel up to it.

Here's out Big & Dandy Mushrooms and MDMA (Hippyflipping) thread for more info on the topic
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Yeh I know what you mean. I just wondered bc some friends said 2 or 3 days worked fine for stopping ssri and then mdma and then back on ssri. i know id hasn't really negatively effected shroom trips or made me have to take more. Sometimes I have taken like an eighth and had just as visual a trip as a quad albeit with less mindfuck.
 
I can't comment on the SSRI's, but in terms of hippyflipping, I always dosed the mush first and let them come on and get comfortable, then quickly dose the m.
 
PepperSocks said:
They will potenitate each other. Meaning that a lower dose of each is required for strong effects. Like the 3.5g of mushrooms might feel like 5 and 150mg of MDMA might feel like 200.
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree here. I've made alot of experiences with shrooms and mdma alone and with hippy flipping while taking a SNRI.

I have noticed an increased tolerance to both substances, even when taken togheter I actually need much more, not less.
 
With the doses, I have to disagree also. I guess taking a low dose of MDMA could just give the trip a positive mood push, but I much prefer to dose the psychedelic on the low side when combining with MDMA. I'd usually use a gram and a half or so of mushrooms with a normal MDMA dose, or the psychedelia just overwhelms everything else.
 
Zzyzx said:
I'm sorry but I have to disagree here. I've made alot of experiences with shrooms and mdma alone and with hippy flipping while taking a SNRI.

I have noticed an increased tolerance to both substances, even when taken togheter I actually need much more, not less.
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Discounting the SSRI stuff. You mean if you take shrooms and MDMA you need more of each substance to get the same effects as if you took it by itself???

I know taking things in combo with an SSRI will require a higher dosage, but usually these combos in an unmedicated person definitely potentiate each other.
 
Could this thread be interpreted to mean...

that ultimately there can be no benefit in taking ssri's consistently unless one is unwilling to seek out new sources of interpersonal growth?
I have been against ssris for a long time, regard them very suspiciously, I guess what I'm really asking is: "Do you guys think that hippy flipping in a supportive environment occasionally is a viable alternative to taking ssri's at all?"

If so, does that mean that every psychoactive compound which is strong(profound) and short acting actually reduces ones dependence on external stimuli in creating one's happiness?
if so,
Is that why people dance sometimes when they take drugs?...
: to shake off their attachments to each other in a reciprocal way for the duration of the dance in a positive sociological context as a means to reinforce the supposed non attachment to ones "own" existence, vis a vis: Psychedelia?

if so,
I need to start dancing again, shit... ;~)
 
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but if that's all true then either a)psychiatry as we know it should be abolished or
b) one of you more experienced drug users should really set me straight
 
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