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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

I Think it's good he's come out and said that it's not too bad. all we get is horror stories of some evil new drug and that drugs are evil. even if it does turn out to be quite bad, i doubt it's as bad as some people here claim. i think the point he's making with the cannabis thing is the arguement against prohibtion which makes everything worse. and by saying mephs not too bad is an attempt at quietening the hysteria starting to surround it which will inevitably lead to it being banned.
 
Pretty sure meph really is as bad as it's made out to be, Botfly. That fella is an ill-informed moron. If it isn't then it really is a chemical curiosity - even my woefully small knowledge of chemistry waves a big red flag over the dangers of meph. All it's chemical cousins appear to be pretty lethal, meph itself looks to be highly toxic and so are it's metabolites. Stuff's just bad news. And it's worst crime is that it's such a shitty drug it gives decent drugs a bad name :\

Mr B: I have to bow down to your superior geological knowledge. Had to Google "andesite" :D
 
is it possible that meph can get cut with ephedrine? that probably explains some of the powdery batches, the only good powder i've had stunk to high heaven. is meph meant to smell or not?
 
^^ Apparently a sizeable portion of the geology of the planet Mars ( not the bar ) is composed of andesite - so BBC4 reckoned last night.
It's not necessary to bow down to me ( not now not ever - tho I retain the imperial right to change my mind on a whim) as I'd never heard of it till say a decade ago, and it's hardly a new material not even in geological terms.
 
Iain McGregor's reply to the fairly long e-mail I sent him about his statements about mephedrone in that article...

hi (Riklet),

that article was one of the worst pieces of journalism i have ever read, and completely misrepresented my views.

i had a long conversation with the journalist and assisted her in every way possible to access further information about mephadrone.

my viewpoint was that there was hardly any systematic research on mephadrone and as such we were unaware of its toxicity.

if was a "don't know" rather than a green light to use the drug.

i think what she wrote was almost criminally irresponsible as well as an abuse of the courtesy i showed her in discussing the topic in depth.

i have made this clear to her in an email sent today. i guess i should learn to expect this from murdoch press journos - sigh!

thank you for your thoughts on the matter. i would be grateful if you would also forward your views to the journalist involved:

Marnie O'Neill <[email protected]>

best wishes, iain
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I may have missed something here....I am sure there was previous discussion of that thread in this one?!
 
I do agree with science based drugs policies, but not 'view' they took from
Professor McGregor.

I have not taken mephedrone in 5 or so months until a few days ago. Not sure where the crystally vs powdery debate is at, but I tried the "crystally" batch (have only ever had the "powdery" batch before). And agree with others by preferring the crystally over the powdery.
 
I think its at that in general the crystally is better, but don't use it a a guide as having crystal meph is no guarantee of the quality
 
I'm by far an advocate of meph but all the people that seem to have suffered bad reactions from it seem to have really been abusing it or have used a very high dose. A lot of it seems anxiety induced on the comedown, a typical case of stimulant anxiety. BUT for the people that do it in silly amounts that are showing the bad effects are definately showing signs of some sort of toxicity.

TBH I dont think that a person who uses say half a gram once a month or so has anything to worry about what-so-ever.
 
phillop said:
I'm by far an advocate of meph but all the people that seem to have suffered bad reactions from it seem to have really been abusing it or have used a very high dose. A lot of it seems anxiety induced on the comedown, a typical case of stimulant anxiety. BUT for the people that do it in silly amounts that are showing the bad effects are definately showing signs of some sort of toxicity.

TBH I dont think that a person who uses say half a gram once a month or so has anything to worry about what-so-ever.
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Very probable. Still, hard to keep to that type of use though as it extremely moreish.
 
^Moreso than any other chem i've tried for me, its impossible to keep to a half g i'd keep going until its all gone
 
What is needed is for the idea that it's anything like coke to be quashed. People think they can have this in repeated doses for as long as they want without side effects.

The idiots who initially, and still do, market the stuff as an alternative to C should be stopped in every way possible. A couple of small bombs of the stuff over a night doesn't seem to have many side effects, repeated dosing of over 500mg definitely does, and this is what people need to know to avoid a tragedy (which is inevitable in my view - as usage has become unbelievably out of control).

In reality, the quicker this is banned the less lives will be senselessly lost unfortunately.

It's not impossible to stick to 500mg - I went over this once (did 1g over more than 24 hrs) and could feel from previous experience that this was not good for you (experience from illegals), I didn't experience any of the serious side effects, just saw that a crash was there and redosing to deal with this meant that too much was being consumed.

Since I've never gone over this since and I've explained this to friends if I've seen them with it, they've also not been having excess amounts. Educating people really can help.

5 lines (5x100mg) is loads, and in a normal session I'd never have this much. Saying that I don't even have it weekly as I can see that it's not to be fucked with at all from a bit of research.
 
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RDP said:
What is needed is for the idea that it's anything like coke to be quashed. People think they can have this in repeated doses for as long as they want without side effects.
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Coke has no side effects? 8o8)
 
Good coke definately has much less side-effects than mephedrone. I've taken more than my fair share of both and I'd say meph is far worse than coke. With high quality flake I've never really felt the need to do more than a few lines and get no after effects the next day :) Mephedrone should certainly not be compared in the same league as cocaine :|
 
Yeah, decent coke has never given me anything worse that a sore head and a spaced out tired feeling the next day.
 
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