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The Big & Dandy Salvia Thread - Second iteration

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i beleieve it acts on the kappa-opioid receptors, where as most traditional psychs work on 5ht receptors.

Salvia is a completely different/unique type of psychedelic than most of the other stuff discussed in this forum.
 
Exactly. How the hell you get from opiodesque receptors to tripping is beyond me really. Serotonin I can (sorta) get my head around as far as tripping goes but opioidzone?!? The only connection I can make (with essentially zero knowledge of brain chemistry) between tripping and anything that happens at opioid sites is the heights/depths of withdrawal when you're kinda delirious. Salvia's some freaky shit but it's not delirious in that way.

Whatever it does it does it with consummate ease though. No question :|
 
From Erowid:

In 2001, Walsh et al. published a comparison between enadoline (a kappa opioid agonist) with two other opiate agonists and discovered that enadoline caused hallucinogenic (what they call 'psychotomimetic') effects:

Enadoline significantly increased measures of sedation, confusion and dizziness, produced visual distortions and feelings of depersonalization, and increased urinary output. The highest dose (160 µg/70 kg) was not tolerated and led to psychotomimetic effects. (Walsh 2001)

A much earlier paper, Pfeiffer et al, 1986, found that kappa opioid agonists can cause interesting psychoactive effects not expected from the opioid system: "kappa opiate receptors seem to mediate psychotomimetic effects." (Pfeiffer 1986)
 
that is really interesting its funny how not much is known about this drug and it can still be so reknown and popular and most surprising legal. is there any other ways of inducing a trip off of salvia? is smoking the only way to use it or could one possibly some sort of salvia food or alcohal extract?
 
Oral Salvia is vastly preferable to smoked Salvia, in my opinion. There are oral tinctures available online which may help, Droc :)

I know for a fact we've discussed oral Salvia in PD before but buggered if I can find it now :o

But yeah, alcoholic infusions of Salvia are available if you look for them and are highly effective. Effective in a way that is actually pleasant though :)
 
Sally for me is a very enlightening experience, it's scary but not scary, hard to explain. I've had some "bad' times and swore I'd never do it again, but there is something about it that keeps me going back to it.
 
I wholeheartedly agree with the sally + MDMA comment above. On a recent camping trip this experiment proved so popular amogst our group that it was continually repeated for the weekend (though the pills in question have since shown up to have a high amphetamine content).

For a giggle we added small bumps of K into the mix and while not enough to be fully disassociated it certainly tamed the salvia into something very pleasant. Almost like a strong, vivid and veeeer giggly weed high (something I had not experienced for a while despite being a regular smoker)
 
Some part of you would like to keep all the story but other part prefer not, we'd not keep it all unless you accept to become crazy. That's why it is deleted right after the experience...mdma, meph (freakingly potent combo IME), methylone and the like allow you to go deeper by removing our fear of the truth, giving us more openness, receptivity...you get deeper insights but I found that this inhibition is kinda problematical with salvia, in the end you can't really assume what you got once you're sober. But yes, fantastical combo nonetheless, true shamanistic spirits communication IME.
 
Oral Salvia is vastly preferable to smoked Salvia, in my opinion.

I've had one experience with oral salvia. It was much calmer and less disorienting than if I had smoked it. I was a cave complex and light began to shine in from every direction. It was like parts of my mind becoming illuminated. At that level, it's a similar experience to tripping on DXM.

I can't wait to try it again! People might say smoking it is less wasteful than chewing it, but which method is more beneficial, really? I'm looking forward to longer trips that I can integrate and remember, not short mindfucks 8)
 
That's pretty been much my experience with oral Salvia, Mecaib. Not the specifics but just that it's much less like a brief eternity of headfuck with a vicious bodyload and was actually an enjoyable experience that could be readily integrated.
 
I always keep a bag of salvia around and now reading some of these post im thinkin of goin on another trip..never a scary trip more of a itimidating one. I sometime feel like theres someone there that i cant see watching me and I hate the whole forgetfullness that fucks with my head...like I entered this realm and I forgot to bring a offering or something. And I agree with the listening to music while on it I feel like someones singing directly to me if theres music it has to be with no words I prefer meditation music.....CRAZY SHIT THO
 
Yeah, music is brilliant with Salvia, and it really does help you to keep a constant brain-clock on what's going on, as if it's like if you can remember the music you were listening to when you did the hit, you can remember the experience. Especially since time itself completely breaks apart and you are literally floating in the non-local space realm; with fragments of any morpho-spacial vector and aspect to choose from, we are guided by an entity unseen by the eyes of the physical human body, but felt by the astral body.

I think music definitely helps you to retrospectively reconstruct your guidance by this high entity (one may call lady salvia, the shepherdess etc.) because there is a clock-source writing to memory on the apparent 3-dimentional* physical plane that our bodies exist within.

It's like recorded audio in the digital domain - if you set a particular sample rate, and word-clock source, and file format, then the file can be played back as you recorded it. But if there is no word-clock or format to sync with, the intended ability to recall the audio event by playing it back goes out the window, because there is no reference point to which each sample can be pieced back together by digital signal processing.

*using the word dimention in the poorly quantized layman sense of vectors/planes outside of time.
 
Either Im not very smart or trying to understand that last post was like a trip to sallyland in itself.....I get parts of it and the it feels like im reading a science book...
 
I hear what your saying SA, makes sense (the parts I've remembered lol), will try it out next time, though not sure how effective it'll turn out, I'd imagine it will help in mapping out parts of the trip better (the come up & down) but I sort of go deaf on the rest of the Salvia trip, even on a dose that allows me to see what's going on around me. Perhaps I'll be able to feel the base etc if it's loud enough & that will help. Sure things will be more pleasant than usual either way, not sure why I've never tried music with Salvia.
 
I must say that I absolutely despise music and noise on salvia that isn't something I know very very well. When you're in crazy world and reality is tearing apart and the song is singing to you about how fucked everything you're trying to do to escape is, and how futile it is, it makes it much worse.

First time I did salvia I was disrespecting it, at a friends house where random music that I've almost always never heard before is playing. Blew my mind. Maybe it'd be different if the music didn't have lyrics.
 
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