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Mephedrone Addiction

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i guess ive been quite head strong when using this stuff, i avoid doing more than 500mg in a night, i spread that amount over aprox 8 hours. this is when drunk as well, which takes abit of self control as i usually dont give a shit when im drunk. ive stupidly done it 2 nights in a row before, bad idea. i had a come down which lasted for fucking days. i wont re-dose after 1am due to the fact i know i wont be able to sleep if i do
 
I wish you both the best of luck with this - addiction to anything is a scary thing to manage and is going to take the pair of you break the cycle.

Flushing it all at once can seem too daunting and the risks of you filling the gap it leaves with something else is a real danger. The craving it can cause can simply be too much ending up with restocking and feeling even worse about it.

Weening yourselves slowly is sometimes easier as you still feel in control of the situation and theres not the immediate shock/fear of having none if you "need" it. How much have you got left? Can you not say that amount has got to last you x amount of weeks / months (and then add a few weeks/month to what you say) and when its gone its gone - (set yourself a goal that if you can stay off it for a month after its ran out you can buy more, my reasoning behind this is after a few weeks the craving may have vanished and the "need" to restock has gone)?

If your using daily - do you just bump as you go or are you using it as a replacement for say early morning coffee, lunch, dinner, if your using it as a replacement (timed doses) then change the times buy an hour or so (so you break the habitual use - its 10'o clock I need a dose etc). If your using at work start taking half the amount out of the house with you – weekends try to only have what you would normally use lying around (put the rest where you cant get to it). Don’t forget if your skipping food for it then get some meal replacement drinks and up the vitamin intake to keep your body!

I don’t know if any of that makes sense to you or any of it will work in your situation, these are the kind of things that I started doing when I realised that I was abusing base.
 
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StoneHappyMonday said:
Far too flippant. 'All in your mind'? Well, duh, psychological addiction, by definition, usually is. It's also far far harder to tackle than routine physical addiction.
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Well, yes, that's what I meant! ie: It is not a psychical addiction as there are no obvious physical WD symptoms. And I wasn't being flippant - I said my reply was condensed. ie: Brief and to the point.

*sigh* Do I have to explain everything!? ;)

Anyway, I was picking up on the OP's point about whether psychological addition exists or not. So if this addiction is all in your mind, then some people would argue that you can control your mind so that the addiction isn't there. I would be being flippant if I were to say that you just have to be strong minded, because I know it's not as easy as that. As you say though - you have to take personal responsibility. This is akin to being strong-willed and listening to the voice in your head that you know is right... :)
 
You guys have to set small goals by gradually trying to reduce the amounts you are taking. Meph will sooner or later probably become illegal. Quite will you are at least ahead in that aspect becuase when it becomes illegal, and much harder to obtain, what are you guys going to do then? Supplement with something else?

As harsh as this might sound, you have to accept the fact, that this WILL NOT END WELL. It sadly is that simple. Sooner or later we are going to figure out what the threshold tolerance is on meph. It would be a shame if a bler where to be that person.
 
Sorry folks, but I don't follow the gradual withdrawal approach. Just knock it on the head, deal with the shite for a few weeks and come out the other side.

Plus, gradual withdrawal still means endangering your health. :(

Good luck! :)
 
When it stops it will be an alll or nothing ending. Between now and when the rest is disposed of next week there will be a concious effort to not binge. But the whole idea of tapering off gently seems stupid because its when we have taken a dose or two that it becomes much much much harder to convince ourselves it is time to stop and much much much easier to rationalise some reason for continuing throughout the night, leading to multiple day binges

I agree that the abuse has to end because I am neglecting other areas of my life. Havn't had a shave in about 2 weeks :\ and I have not been eating properly, losing weight I cant afford to lose.
 
Gradual reduction is only necessary/wise with drugs that have serious physical withdrawal effects, with stims I agree with The Kid it's all or nothing.
 
I stopped the meph a few weeks ago after one binge too many. Still craving it like food though esp when they sell it at a headshop not far from here
 
I dont know how fiendish meph is as Ive stayed away from the stuff, my previous post was just based on my experience and what worked for me to help with my problems with speed. (Breaking the pattern of use etc) To me flushing all I had would have been pointless as I had several sources within walking distance so if I wanted it there was plenty around (at any time of the day or night) - for me it was gaining control over the drug. Being able to keep the stuff in the house and not "want" to take it instead of just not having it was a far better solution.

Im not saying this will work or is the best option for anyone on any substance just sharing my experiences :) -good luck
 
Yep there's no point in tapering with a short acting substance like meph that doesn't produce physical withdrawals, its best to just cut it out altogether.

Deal with the symptoms for as long as they last, after that I'd advise getting therapy as I really think both of you are going to find yourselves addicted to practically any drug you take unless you change your lifestyle/attitude.

I can't see Mephedrone addiction as being different to any other stimulant addiction (besides its legality/availability), well done on finally seeing how out of hand its gotten and admitting you have problems. You've paved the way for others seeking help now, anyone else who has a problem and reads this won't feel embarassed about talking about it and getting help.

Good luck to you both :)

ps: to summarise as I'm still half asleep and might've rambled:
1 - Cut it out of your lives completly
2 - Get therapy so you don't fall back into old patterns
 
I agree with Kid, Evad and WM, tapering isn't the best option here, just knocking it on the head is. It will be hard and you will feel like shit but you will feel better faster.

Use benzos if you need to, G if that helps and just cut out the meph completly. :)
 
mugabe said:
Between now and when the rest is disposed of next week there will be a concious effort to not binge.
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Just tip the lot down the bog. NOW!!! :) Next week will become the week after, will become December..before you know it you'll be giving up as a New Years Resolution. And you're heart will be more fucked than Nick Griffin at a Snoop Dogg concert. :\
 
Good luck conquering this mugabe and angelsmoke, it will be hard but well worth it once its all over. Have to look at the reasons for your compulsive drug use, try and get as much help and support as possible, will get there in the end!
 
7zark7 said:
Well, yes, that's what I meant! ie: It is not a psychical addiction as there are no obvious physical WD symptoms. And I wasn't being flippant - I said my reply was condensed. ie: Brief and to the point.

*sigh* Do I have to explain everything!? ;)

Anyway, I was picking up on the OP's point about whether psychological addition exists or not. So if this addiction is all in your mind, then some people would argue that you can control your mind so that the addiction isn't there. I would be being flippant if I were to say that you just have to be strong minded, because I know it's not as easy as that. As you say though - you have to take personal responsibility. This is akin to being strong-willed and listening to the voice in your head that you know is right... :)
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I totally believe in psychological addiction and sometimes you can't just over power it, like you said. OCD is in your head, paranoia is in your head, why do people argue that adiction can be too?

By the way that is not me arguing with your post mate, rather the people who argue against psychological adiction.
 
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