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How human rats killed the "RC" market (a rant)

Lost and Confused said:
*picks up internet-wishing-ball*

I wiiiish fooor...non-addictive, euphoria enducing painkillers that can be IV'd with a needle that leaves no marks.

*shake* *shake* *shake*



...*waits*
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you forgot "doesn't build a tolerance, the high is long lasting, and the comedown isn't felt whatsoever."
 
Jamshyd step down from your pedestal...

with that said: i think we are just experiencing the evolution of the market. it seems to me that to make money(for vendors and chem producers) and to bypass existing laws against certain drugs, producers have been exploring analogs for all sorts of chemicals, it is not simply a case of "food or dopaminergics". There is fluorotropacocaine and dimethocaine for coke, methylone for mdma, butylone for mbdb, etaqualone for methaqualone, 4-meo-pcp and 3-meo-pcp for PCP and the list goes on.

For some reason you think that because you take psychedelics you are some how holier and better than people who enjoy dopaminergics(many of who probably take psychedelics as well). what about the people who take both psychs and dopaminergics? im sure some people visit a vendor site and pick up multiple chemicals simply because they are available, not because they are somehow already addicted to them(your theory of lever pressing rat-humans)...that is just the nature of grey market vendors, they usually have many compounds for sale.

people flock to these new compounds because they are available and best of all legal. you cannot generalize this internet market...im sure people are just as willing to try new psychs as they are Dopaminergics, there just isnt as many of them(not really the consumers fault).

are you just sad because you can't get any new psychs?
 
Bob Loblaw said:
^lol


Shenanigans. I've only tried Mephedrone of the stimulants listed, but it is a FAR more useful tool for empathogenic purposes than d-amp could ever hope to become. Meph, also, feels a lot better than d-amp (healthier? no, but that's irrelevant).
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dangerous it may be (i've given up on using it) but the high off mephdrone is amazing hence its huge popularity8o

dexamphetamine is nowhere on the same level and i've been hooked on speed back when base was good in wales high up the chain=D
 
deekan said:
Jamshyd step down from your pedestal...
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Well now that you put me on one, I think I kind of like it here.

because you take psychedelics
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I do?

are you just sad because you can't get any new psychs?
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I lost interest in psychs many years ago. As for my "ability to get new compounds", I recommend you check the TR forum.

Listen, hun. If you want to counter an argument with a completely personal ad-hom, at least know some shit about the person you're just about to attack. Otherwise, you'd look like a fool.

This goes for several others in this thread too, btw. Gee, I must have touched a nerve or two.
 
hoptis said:
Expressed more simply, your problem is that they're not consuming the drugs you approve of.

To me, the consumers are not a "problem". They're human beings just like you who are pursuing altered states for whatever reason, but most likely, to kill boredom, learn something new or just to feel happy.

The first commandment of harm reduction should be "thou shalt not judge", once you pass your own judgements on other drug users you simply throw yourself in the same category as the prohibitionists, governments and parents who would condemn all drug use as immoral.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to your opinion, not at all, just don't fool yourself that this argument is any more mature than the age old "my drug is better than your drug" stuff. I've never seen the point of it, my perspective is encouraging safer drug use (or no drug use at all for that matter)... when I think about the war on drugs and how it affects the every day lives of people like us, and all BL'ers, I just can't stand to see the endless bickering between different sub-cultures of drug users.

In my position, even if I wanted to, I can't afford to see drug users in that way. We are all in this together, whether we recognise it or not.
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See, despite the condescending tone, I actually think this is a respectable refute that has actually brought new things to my attention.

You are right. There must be something subjective behind my argument. And yes, I really do dislike these drugs. But it is NOT a case of "my drug is better than yours" because I never even brought up my drug (which can be found in vets' offices, not RC vendors).

My dislike is for the general trend that the drugs being produced are all trying to mimic drugs which we already know are addictive and harmful. Can you not agree with this, at least?
 
Hmm,deekan,why not eat crow and read the 2C-B-fly ("fly") death thread??? Looks like Jamshyds thread here had something prophetic to it...But prophets tend to be sad most of the time :(
 
Damien said:
So what do you think of the average Joe, who doesn't have the time to bury his head in a chemistry book for years but would still like to sample MDPV? Is this person not worthy of this experience? I'm all for keeping things alive, well, on the low low and out of "kids" hands but at the same time I don't have a lot of time to dedicate to the "culture" I guess you could say.

I don't know, your whole rant is just very condescending in my opinion. I see where you're coming from but at the same time I think there are a lot of us who would like to use these drugs responsibly. I think it's unfair to lump everyone into one group of consumers.



How are consumers making money by buying these substances?
This whole rant just smacks of elitism.
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Average Joe could solve the problem altogether if Average Joe would exercise some caution, moderation and responsibility...but that's a far-fetched dream in this world.
 
While I don't think that there is anything 'intrinsically' wrong about the sale of more purely hedonistic, one-dimensional RCs, I do find something severely wrong with the release of relatively untested, physically dangerous RCs when there are ready safer alternatives (illegal or not) or when they are sold w/o appropriate health-warnings. I also dislike mystery powers with obfuscating names (eg, "Charge"...you get to guess what's in it! ;)), and I am somewhat dismayed at hedonistic blunt instruments crowding out more valuable psychedelics.

ebola
 
Oh...and how much crowding out has there been? Shouldn't 3-meo-pcp be floating around pretty soon? Last I checked, various 'sources' still carry tryptamines.

ebola
 
Its quite ovbious that people will buy and sell what they desire because our whole society is built apon this - capitalism. Dopeamine rincing drugs are the capitalists dream, make money, feel good, as long as somones getting ripped off and its not you your fine.

Fuck it all, lets all just take mushrooms. Drugs that enlighten you not delusion you.
 
Jamshyd said:
I realize all the faults you describe in the market of 8 years ago. The thing is, back then, there was at least a sense that, at least a few people out there, had some interest in bringing some novelty and magic into the world - I am talking about consumer demand here.
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consumer demand is never the origin of novelty and magic. what i want may plant a seed in the inventor's mind, but it's not until someone wants to capitalize off any given niche that something new and magical is created and introduced.

you say the 2cx scene is dead, i say people tell me "i have that" when they used to respond "too see what?"

you say that we ruined the RC market, i say that nothing has changed. the vast majority of drug users have never been interested in being one of the first to try a new drug. shutting down the web RC depots would not have been a significant blow had there actually EVER been a big enough demand for new drugs.

but there isn't. if i were to develop the best drug in the universe tomorrow, it still might never hit mainstream if i can't get enough people to test it to let enough other people know how safe it is to take. everybody wants the ultimate high but we'll settle for less the moment we learn that the price is too high.

as for all the shit in the marketplace, well that's just a result of unscrupulous suppliers and dealers trying to stretch product to the point of obscenity. piperazines have been around a lot longer than they've been in street drugs for, but why sell them as drugs in the first place? it could only be profit-motivated because the general public seems to prefer even inactive binders to that shit.

conclusively, our hedonistic desires are actually demanding a safer market than the current one as we get used to a) better drug selection and b) more purity and have the luxury now to simply avoid the assholes selling cut shit. what's so bad about that?
 
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